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The title of this thread as as exceedingly STOOPID and irrational as the title of a similar thread on republicans.

Why did it take an Independent to point that out in a forum inhabited largely by democrats?
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In the case of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, they achieve a place in history.  
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Why did it take an Independent to point that out in a forum inhabited largely by democrats?

Because insane inmates rarely know they're in an asylum....  :laugh:

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I saw a  study that showed that those on the far left have a much harder time understanding those on the right than vice versa

As one reviewer pointed out

"Moderates and conservatives were adept at guessing how liberals would answer questions. Liberals, especially those who described themselves as “very liberal,” were least able to put themselves in the minds of their adversaries and guess how conservatives would answer."

Study is here


http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtla....601.pdf

In the end it tends to show that the more rabid partisans are the least likely to behave rationally....not sure a study was needed to discover that


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That is so obvious in so many of Mitt's statements.   :p

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I would hazard the guess that most of them become Socialists,  an entire community caring for each other.  I know, it sounds like Utopia, and it may be, but it is the best we as humans can hope for.

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You're an independent Ken? ROTFLMFAO. When it comes to your politics you are incredibly dependent on your faith and you know it man.

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Classic Kenv

On Jan. 27 2011 I made a thread titled "RW Terrorist-Murdering Father & Son Duo, Get the death penalty"

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....rrorist

WHy because the title literally fits perfectly what happened.

THen two days later Kenv mindlessly not only makes a thread titled "LW Terrorist-Murdering Father & Son Duo"
but then takes the contents of my thread and just replaces every instance of "right-winger" with  with "left-winger"
and every instance of "Obama" with "Bush" as if it would be perfectly legitimate,factual & truthful which of course
it wouldn't be every bit legitimate,factual & truthful(it would turn the truth on its head)

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....oristst


"as far as Kenv's latest attempt to do this here the analogy doesn't work once again.
Did EastieTrekker title his thread something like "What happened to NAZIs when they
become Republicans?"? which would have been more closer to the mirror image Of Kenv's's
title rather than EastieTrekker's title "What happens to smart people? When they become
republicans...". So Kenv can't even think logically enough to setup an appropriate analogy.
What a F*** up.

Also it seems there is a new trend in Kenv claiming to be independent. if independent is supposed to be objective, centrist
and moderate I'm not buying it.


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You're an independent Ken? ROTFLMFAO. When it comes to your politics you are incredibly dependent on your faith and you know it man.

Really?  That's a fascinating claim the absolutely BEGS for comment

1.  Since when are Independents not allowed/incapable of being people of faith?

2.  Since when are people of faith not allowed/incapable of being politically independent?

3. Please describe how my vote/political views are even a reflection of, never mind dependent on, my faith.
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Did EastieTrekker title his thread something like "What happened to NAZIs when they
become Republicans?"? which would have been more closer to the mirror image Of Kenv's's
title rather than EastieTrekker's title "What happens to smart people? When they become
republicans...".

"mirror image"!!?? ???

Where did I state, suggest, or infer that my title was or was intended to be a "mirror image" of another title?  I very clearly stated it was just as "STOOPID and irrational".  If one REALLY wants to see a "mirror image" of "STOOPID and irrational", for many people, especially those who defend such stoopid titles/threads, just look in the mirror.

For the thinking impaired let me clarify.

The leftist/liberal/progresive "narrative" with regard to republicans is that they are inherently stupid , ignorant and/or under educated.

The far right "narrative" with regard to democrats is that they are either card carrying communists, or have strong communist leanings.  

Similar narratives are that Rs are war mongers, money grubbers, and religious zealots and Ds are spineless appeasers, bleeding hearts, and godless heathens.

All these narratives are stoopid and irrational.  Yet all are routinely trotted out and buffed up on this forum.
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I would hazard the guess that most of them become Socialists,  an entire community caring for each other.  I know, it sounds like Utopia, and it may be, but it is the best we as humans can hope for.

Fascinating.

Only socialists (or communists that become socialists) are capable (or perhaps only "best" capable) of forming communities that "care for each other"?

In my opinion, yet another stoopid and irrational narrative.
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You're an independent Ken? ROTFLMFAO. When it comes to your politics you are incredibly dependent on your faith and you know it man.

Really?  That's a fascinating claim the absolutely BEGS for comment

Who do you plan on voting for in the next presidential election and why?
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"mirror image"!!?? ???

Where did I state, suggest, or infer that my title was or was intended to be a "mirror image" of
another title?  I very clearly stated it was just as "STOOPID and irrational".  If one REALLY wants
to see a "mirror image" of "STOOPID and irrational", for many people, especially those who defend
such stoopid titles/threads, just look in the mirror.


The question isn't if Kenv explicitly said he intended to use that as the mirror image
since I never explitly said he did.  The question is if Kenv is going to play off
EastieTrekker's title "What happens to smart people? When they become republicans..."
then it should follow logically which it doesn't since "smart" & "communist" aren't
part of the same group objects.  NAZIs and Communist on the other hand are part of
the same object(ideological groups where as "smart" doesn't refer to an ideological group)

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The leftist/liberal/progresive "narrative" with regard to republicans is that they are inherently
stupid , ignorant and/or under educated.


For the thinking impaired let me point out that EastieTrekker made it clear that his friend wasn't
"inherently 'stupid , ignorant and/or under educated." So once again Kenv isn't following from his
premise. If it was about inherit stupidity there wouldn't be any transition from Smart to Republicans
since they would never be smart to begin with according to Kenv's framing above

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The far right "narrative" with regard to democrats is that they are either card carrying communists, or
have strong communist leanings.


For the thinking impaired let me point out that kenv's narrative is that a communists transitions to a
Democrat not that A Democrat transitions to a communist or that they are the same thing


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In the case of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, they achieve a place in history.  
:cool:

In my admittedly unscientific encounters with Russians during my one-month trip there... most people reserved their praises for Putin.

But it was Gorbachev who started the unraveling of the Communist dictatorship, you say?  Sure, but I think many young people kind of take that for granted.  What they chose to remember more were the glory days when their country was one of only two world superpowers.

Yelsin was simply not talked about anymore ...


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You're an independent Ken? ROTFLMFAO. When it comes to your politics you are incredibly dependent on your faith and you know it man.

Really?  That's a fascinating claim the absolutely BEGS for comment

Who do you plan on voting for in the next presidential election and why?

Haven't decided yet.  

I voted for Obama in the last election, but will likely not vote for him again.  Why?  I believed in him and his promise of change and he has greviously let me down.  I have not precluded voting for him yet, and while it seems unlikely, I could be persuaded otherwise.

Right now, it would take less persuasion to get me to vote for Romney than it would take to get me to vote for Obama.  If Gingrich is on the ticket either as Pres or VP I could not be persuaded to vote for that ticket.  Period.  AND it would make it MUCH easier to pursuade me to vote for Obama.

So if Gingrich were on the ticket, I don't know if I would vote for Obama or simply not vote for either.

Care to answer my question?  Or ignore it again?
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"mirror image"!!?? ???

Where did I state, suggest, or infer that my title was or was intended to be a "mirror image" of
another title?  I very clearly stated it was just as "STOOPID and irrational".  If one REALLY wants
to see a "mirror image" of "STOOPID and irrational", for many people, especially those who defend
such stoopid titles/threads, just look in the mirror.


The question isn't if Kenv explicitly said he intended to use that as the mirror image
since I never explitly said he did.  The question is if Kenv is going to play off
EastieTrekker's title "What happens to smart people? When they become republicans..."
then it should follow logically which it doesn't since "smart" & "communist" aren't
part of the same group objects.  NAZIs and Communist on the other hand are part of
the same object(ideological groups where as "smart" doesn't refer to an ideological group)

Kenv said
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The leftist/liberal/progresive "narrative" with regard to republicans is that they are inherently
stupid , ignorant and/or under educated.


For the thinking impaired let me point out that EastieTrekker made it clear that his friend wasn't
"inherently 'stupid , ignorant and/or under educated." So once again Kenv isn't following from his
premise. If it was about inherit stupidity there wouldn't be any transition from Smart to Republicans
since they would never be smart to begin with according to Kenv's framing above

Kenv said
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The far right "narrative" with regard to democrats is that they are either card carrying communists, or
have strong communist leanings.


For the thinking impaired let me point out that kenv's narrative is that a communists transitions to a
Democrat not that A Democrat transitions to a communist or that they are the same thing

In the interests of avoiding yet another tit for tat jihad and counter jihad, I will defer to DTM's punctilious definitions and careful parsing and concede that my analogy is poor and has no resemblance to the thread with the similar title.

That being said, I am still of the opinion, independent of any analogies, that the titile and the thread itself is both stoopid and irrational.
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"jihad and counter jihad"

LOL!!

Now Kenv uses terms like 'parsing' in response to my posts when he can't refute my arguments. Of course
Kenv once said that he would no longer use the phrase "parsing" to describe my posts but instead
use the phrase "close reading" but as we see here Kenv continues to use "parsing" despite the
fact that Kenv has admitted to "parsing" himself so maybe Kenv should defer to himself.


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It is impossible to turn off those Naval Academy habits, neh??

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"jihad and counter jihad"

LOL!!

Now Kenv uses terms like 'parsing' in response to my posts when he can't refute my arguments. Of course
Kenv once said that he would no longer use the phrase "parsing" to describe my posts but instead
use the phrase "close reading" but as we see here Kenv continues to use "parsing" despite the
fact that Kenv has admitted to "parsing" himself so maybe Kenv should defer to himself.

Interestingly there are zero arguments why the title is NOT stoopid and irrational.  Only lots of punctilious arguments about why it is not a "mirror image", a claim I never made or even suggested in the first place.  But we do have parsing about parsing.
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Which habits would those be?
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Interestingly there are zero arguments why the title is NOT stoopid and irrational.


and Interestingly since Kenv used EastieTrekker post to model his thread on at an attempt
at making a statement about "stoopid and irrational" posts you would think he would make
a thread that follows from EastieTrekker's post otherwise what is the point of even
using  EastieTrekker post to make the point about "stoopid and irrational" posts?

Of course there were zero credible arguments to show how Kenv's sorry attempt at making
a point really followed from  EastieTrekker post

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Only lots of punctilious arguments about why
it is not a "mirror image", a claim I never made or even suggested in the first place.  


Kenv repeats himself. In post 10 Kenv already said Where did I state, suggest, or infer that my
title was or was intended to  be a "mirror image" of another title?
of which I responded(and which
Kenv didn't address)


he question isn't if Kenv explicitly said he intended to use that as the mirror image
since I never explitly said he did.  The question is if Kenv is going to play off
EastieTrekker's title "What happens to smart people? When they become republicans..."
then it should follow logically which it doesn't since "smart" & "communist" aren't
part of the same group objects.  NAZIs and Communist on the other hand are part of
the same object(ideological groups where as "smart" doesn't refer to an ideological group)



So the fact that Kenv restates his prior assertion without addressing my response to that
is indicative of someone who knows they have a weak argument,


Kenv said
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But we do have parsing about parsing.


So once again Kenv, who has admitted to parsing, is still using "parsing" even though
he said he would use "close reading" instead


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The question is if Kenv is going to play off
EastieTrekker's title "What happens to smart people? When they become republicans..."
then it should follow logically which it doesn't since "smart" & "communist" aren't
part of the same group objects.  NAZIs and Communist on the other hand are part of
the same object(ideological groups where as "smart" doesn't refer to an ideological group)

I answered that.  Your "logic" makes a huge assumption regarding the "group of objects" I am addressing.

You assumed the group of objects I was addressing was "ideologicial groups"  That is FALSE. The objects I was addressing are the common narratives/memes attached to the two primary political parties.  

"dumb" and "ignorant" is a narrative leveled against the Rs and the one trotted out by EastieTrekker.

"communist" and "socialist" is a narrative leveled against the D's and the one I trotted out.  

Both are stoopid and irrational.

And I'm quite confident you understood that but  have chosen to continue the argument purely for argument's sake.
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I answered that.  Your "logic" makes a huge assumption regarding the "group of objects" I am addressing.

You assumed the group of objects I was addressing was "ideologicial groups"  That is FALSE.


No I didn't assume and the fact that Kenv still responds in such a way shows he still doesn't
get or is pretending not to get it

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You assumed the group of objects I was addressing was "ideologicial groups"  That is FALSE.

The objects I was addressing are the common narratives/memes attached to the two primary political parties.  

"dumb" and "ignorant" is a narrative leveled against the Rs and the one trotted out by EastieTrekker.

"communist" and "socialist" is a narrative leveled against the D's and the one I trotted out.  

Both are stoopid and irrational.


well Like I pointed out(of which you didn't refute)  EastieTrekker didn't really say his friend
was stupid(in fact he kind of suggests at least in the beginning that was intelligent) and
was making a bit more nuanced argument that comes clear when he talked about  "processing"
but there is something else wrong with Kenv's argument.  


EastieTrekker generally says(at least through the title) that there is a transition from Smart to not
necessarily smart when they become Republicans. If Kenv wants to follow the flow of EastieTrekker then
then what Kenv is essentially saying is that when Communists transition to Democrats that they are no
longer communists which undercuts Kenv's whole argument.


See in otherwords

EastieTrekker flow

Smart people -> Republicans -> Republican but not so smart

There really isn't a comparable flow for what Kenv wants since Kenv essentially wants to convey is that
Democrats are communists(and probably vice versa)

its not about a transition period like what EastieTrekker was trying to describe. Its about equivalence or
something like

Democrats = Communist

or(if the implication that communists are equally Democrats as well)

Democrats <=> Communists

BUt instead Kenv is essentially saying(via the title)

Communists -> Democrats

In other words you have Communists transitioning to Democrats rather than saying
Democrats are communists

so Kenv's latest explanation doesn't even make sense

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And I'm quite confident you understood that but  have chosen to continue the argument purely for argument's sake.


Well Kenv might have attempted to make that argument but as I clearly display above that isn't what Kenv actually
said  because in order to say what Kenv wanted to say you wouldn't have to setup the argument that way. Again what
Kenv wanted to say didn't need to have any transition(via the word "become") and thus there wasn't any need to to even piggyback
onto EastieTrekker thread to make that point which really is my ultimate point.


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If Kenv wants to follow the flow of EastieTrekker....

Big assumption.  And once again, a false one.

I stated multiple times what my intent was, and it was NOT to "follow the flow of EastieTrekker."  As usual you've decided you know my intent better than I.  Have it your way.   You are a mind reading omnicient and I bow to your clear superiority.

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If Kenv wants to follow the flow of EastieTrekker....


Big assumption.  And once again, a false one.


Wrong. Follow the title

'What happens to communists when they become democrats"

EastieTrekker title

'What happens to smart people? When they become republicans"

cleary Kenv is trying to follow EastieTrekker flow

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I stated multiple times what my intent was, and it was NOT to "follow the flow of EastieTrekker."  


Ah so Kenv is interchanging "intent" with "flow" as if they are the same thing.
Nope they aren't

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As usual you've decided you know my intent better than I.  Have it your way.   You are a mind reading omnicient and I bow to your clear superiority.

Satisfied yet?


Yes Kenv just by chance just happend to start his thread with "What happens to" which just
happens to be the first 3 words of EastieTrekker title and then use "become" as the 2nd to
the last word there which also just happens to be the 2nd to the last word in EastieTrekker
thread. Ya its all just a coincidence. If EastieTrekker would have never made that thread
Kenv would have made the exact same thread and the exact same time.

Sure


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(Dennis The Menace @ Apr. 23 2012, 11:55 pm)
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If Kenv wants to follow the flow of EastieTrekker....


Big assumption.  And once again, a false one.


Wrong. Follow the title

'What happens to communists when they become democrats"

EastieTrekker title

'What happens to smart people? When they become republicans"

cleary Kenv is trying to follow EastieTrekker flow

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I stated multiple times what my intent was, and it was NOT to "follow the flow of EastieTrekker."  


Ah so Kenv is interchanging "intent" with "flow" as if they are the same thing.
Nope they aren't

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As usual you've decided you know my intent better than I.  Have it your way.   You are a mind reading omnicient and I bow to your clear superiority.

Satisfied yet?


Yes Kenv just by chance just happend to start his thread with "What happens to" which just
happens to be the first 3 words of EastieTrekker title and then use "become" as the 2nd to
the last word there which also just happens to be the 2nd to the last word in EastieTrekker
thread. Ya its all just a coincidence. If EastieTrekker would have never made that thread
Kenv would have made the exact same thread and the exact same time.

Sure

Wait a minute.  Now you're saying that by my wording and timing I MUST must have been following EastieTrekker's "flow."  But at the same time I was doing a poor job of it?  OK.  Could it be because while copying the wording style and "flow" of EastieTrekker, I had a different intent?
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The following is a classic Kenv response. Repeating all the same crap that has been
addressed already

Kenv said
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Wait a minute.  Now you're saying that by my wording and timing I MUST must have been following EastieTrekker's "flow."  
But at the same time I was doing a poor job of it?  OK.  


Now am saying?

From post 23

Well Kenv might have attempted to make that argument but as I clearly display above that isn't what
Kenv actually said because in order to say what Kenv wanted to say you wouldn't have to setup the
argument that way. Again what Kenv wanted to say didn't need to have any transition(via the word
"become") and thus there wasn't any need to to  even piggyback onto EastieTrekker thread to make that
point which really is my ultimate point.


Now does Kenv really expect anyone to believe Kenv didn't mean to follow EastieTrekker's flow?

So when EastieTrekker titled EastieTrekker What happens to smart people? When they become
republicans
on Apr. 13 2012, 5:38 pm

and Kenv titled this thread What happens to communists.... when they become democrats
on Apr. 14 2012, 8:31 am (the very next day) that is all a coincidence?


Like I already pointed out, this isn't something new from Kenv.

On Jan. 27 2011 I made a thread titled  "RW Terrorist-Murdering Father & Son Duo, Get the
death penalty"

and two days later Kenv made a thread titled "LW Terrorist-Murdering Father & Son Duo"

So this isn't a pattern that is not uncommon to Kenv

So of course Kenv is trying to follow EastieTrekker thread.

Seems like Kenv is trying to do one of his BS his way out of this just like he has done so many times
like when he tried to convince people that he  wasn't fooled by the Onion piece.

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OK.  Could it be because while copying the wording style and "flow" of EastieTrekker, I had a different intent?


and Kenv keeps on repeating a point that has been addressed ad nauseum. Again the point is that if
Kenv intention is what he explains then it makes no sense to have followed EastieTrekker flow.  
EastieTrekker  flow implicitly (actually its almost fairly explicitly) describes a transition("become")
from Republican  to Smart(well a little more nuanced than that but still some kind of transition). Kenv
borrow the word  "become" but then applies it to communist transitioning to Democrats which isn't what
Kenv claims he  intended.

So again the ultimate point here is there wasn't any need to to even piggyback onto EastieTrekker thread
to make that  point which really is my ultimate point.
.


So how many more times am I going to have to repeat myself? Well this is a discussion involving
kenv so probably numerous times in many more posts.


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“There shall be no private ownership of the streams that come out of the canyons, nor the timber that grows on the hills. These belong to the people: all the people.”
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“There shall be no private ownership of the streams that come out of the canyons, nor the timber that grows on the hills. These belong to the people: all the people.”

Wow talk about socialist eh? That had to be Marx or Engels or Stalin or Clinton right? Just some big time commie.


[looks it up]


Oh. Well that's awkward.
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