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Dennis The Menace 
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2012, 1:07 am |
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Romney and Ryan sure are going to get our Debt under control if they get
elected
Right Romney supporters?
Well lets look at one aspect of this issue: Defense Spending
The following is a graph from Foreign Policy Magazine that compares defense
spending planned under Obama and Romney and since the graph goes back to 1950
its also a comparison from 1950 onward.
Here is the entire article
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts....ncrease
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FnAskippy
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2012, 4:07 am |
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Defense spending ended in 1945. It's been offence spending from there forward.
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Bateauxdriver
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2012, 8:02 am |
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Anyone notice the drop in spending during the 90's corresponding to the positive economic times we enjoyed then. The Bush years are a disaster that will take decades to flush out.
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scroat
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2012, 12:05 pm |
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I'd rather see a strong military even if it means I have to eat Top Ramen once a week.
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wwwest
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2012, 12:16 pm |
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I'd rather see a strong military even if it means I have to eat Top Ramen once a week.
Why is that exactly, and please note we don't have a "strong" military, we have a military that dominates the entire planet, and we spend more of our hard earned money on the military than the rest of the industrialized world, combined!!
Why is it that we have such an inferiorty complex, apparently believing that even in today's instant information world someone could gear up and overwhelm us before we could take the necessary steps to successfully defend against any attack that could be launched.
Somehow there is a mentality left over from WWII where we foolishly let Germany and Japan build up large armies without taking any action, and now we are never going to let that happen again, even though it is completely impossible for it to happen in that way.
So we spend ourselves into bankruptcy instead of supporting our own people, especially children and their education, here at home.
So we are setting ourselves up for economic failure by trying to prevent WWII happening again.
What a country!!
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scroat
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2012, 12:35 pm |
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I favor a strong military, NOT all of these financially incapacitating wars. There's a difference.
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scroat
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2012, 12:42 pm |
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I'm not convinced 911 wasn't a conspiracy.
I have 0 trust in this government.
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Drift Woody
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 9:37 am |
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Some advocates of reduced military spending argue that we shouldn't be footing the bill to be the world's policeman, especially since this brings us more grief than gratitude.
But are we really "policing" the world to serve and protect weaker nations around the globe, or does our massive military and far flung bases primarily serve our own perceived interests ... and/or the financial interests of the elites of wealth and power who pull a lot of political strings, extract wealth from foreign lands, and are vested in the perpetuation of the military industrial complex?
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 12:08 pm |
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Oct. 11 2012, 6:17 am)
QUOTE
(FnAskippy @ Oct. 10 2012, 4:07 am)
QUOTE Defense spending ended in 1945. It's been offence spending from there forward. +1 For all you advocates of a big military, do you honestly think China or Russia will invade us if we cut our spending to that equivalent with those countries? I don't see anyone trying to invade the remainder of the top 15 countries: Britian France Japan Saudi Arabia India Germany Brazil Italy South Korea Australia Canada Turkey Obviously they're spending enough to keep themselves from being invaded. But I do see that their OFFENSIVE military campaigns (both definitions of the word apply here) cause both military and civilian casualties. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....ditures
Yet Romney beats that drum of international intervention and larger military budgets at a rate FIXED to a percent of gdp (4%) so effectively out of any control or oversight: just spend to the dollar goal.
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Chuck D
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 12:39 pm |
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Been trying to find an article I saw this past week, the Army want's to delay upgrading Abrams tanks for 3 years, say the don't need them and it will save 3 billion $$$. Congress is fighting the delay, the upgrades are performed in Lima Ohio but the cutbacks would affect workers in over 20 states. The defense industry has done a great job in spreading the work around.
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Hungry Jack
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 6:53 pm |
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More guns, less butter?
Let them eat cake!
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Hungry Jack
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 8:13 pm |
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(Drift Woody @ Oct. 11 2012, 7:04 pm)
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(Hungry Jack @ Oct. 11 2012, 5:53 pm)
QUOTE More guns, less butter?
Let them eat cake! Why not a stack of flap jacks with a pad of butter and syrup?
flip-flop-flapjacks with butter and government cheese!
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cgaphiker
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 3:06 am |
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(Chuck D @ Oct. 11 2012, 11:01 pm)
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QUOTE Britian
France
Japan
Saudi Arabia
India
Germany
Brazil
Italy
South Korea
Australia
Canada
Turkey
Obviously they're spending enough to keep themselves from being invaded.
. They don't need to spend money on defense, they'll just come to us if needed.
Ain't that the truth.
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:15 pm |
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(cgaphiker @ Oct. 12 2012, 12:06 am)
QUOTE
(Chuck D @ Oct. 11 2012, 11:01 pm)
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Oct. 11 2012, 9:17 am)
QUOTE Britian
France
Japan
Saudi Arabia
India
Germany
Brazil
Italy
South Korea
Australia
Canada
Turkey
Obviously they're spending enough to keep themselves from being invaded.
. They don't need to spend money on defense, they'll just come to us if needed. Ain't that the truth.
IIRC George H.W. Bush set that precedent up with Kuwait: we were basically charted by Japan and Germany to regain their access to oil they depended on: paying us billions in "support" of our military operation.
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WalksWithBlackflies
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 3:25 pm |
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Oct. 12 2012, 12:15 pm)
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(Chuck D @ Oct. 11 2012, 11:01 pm)
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Oct. 11 2012, 9:17 am)
QUOTE Britian
France
Japan
Saudi Arabia
India
Germany
Brazil
Italy
South Korea
Australia
Canada
Turkey
Obviously they're spending enough to keep themselves from being invaded.
. They don't need to spend money on defense, they'll just come to us if needed. Ain't that the truth. IIRC George H.W. Bush set that precedent up with Kuwait: we were basically charted by Japan and Germany to regain their access to oil they depended on: paying us billions in "support" of our military operation.
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Land Rover
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 3:33 pm |
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The entire GOP defense spending is a weird one to me. The only reason I can see is to boost defense contractor campaign donations. I haven't seen too many conservatives demanding to ramp it up the way Romney is proposing - most appear tired of the endless wars.
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Land Rover
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Oct. 12 2012, 3:46 pm)
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QUOTE The entire GOP defense spending is a weird one to me. The only reason I can see is to boost defense contractor campaign donations. I haven't seen too many conservatives demanding to ramp it up the way Romney is proposing - most appear tired of the endless wars. Virginia is a swing state with a lot of defense-related jobs.
I can see that. It's the scale that's weird to me - all while pushing an ideological push against the scale of government.
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WalksWithBlackflies
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(Land Rover @ Oct. 12 2012, 5:02 pm)
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(Land Rover @ Oct. 12 2012, 3:33 pm)
QUOTE The entire GOP defense spending is a weird one to me. The only reason I can see is to boost defense contractor campaign donations. I haven't seen too many conservatives demanding to ramp it up the way Romney is proposing - most appear tired of the endless wars. Virginia is a swing state with a lot of defense-related jobs. I can see that. It's the scale that's weird to me - all while pushing an ideological push against the scale of government.
Maybe the 47% should be forced into military service... a Republican's dream.
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Land Rover
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 6:28 pm |
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Oct. 12 2012, 5:09 pm)
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QUOTE The entire GOP defense spending is a weird one to me. The only reason I can see is to boost defense contractor campaign donations. I haven't seen too many conservatives demanding to ramp it up the way Romney is proposing - most appear tired of the endless wars. Virginia is a swing state with a lot of defense-related jobs. I can see that. It's the scale that's weird to me - all while pushing an ideological push against the scale of government. Maybe the 47% should be forced into military service... a Republican's dream.
And with that big a military.... well you can't have them sitting around doing nothing can you.
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GoBlueHiker
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 6:32 pm |
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(Land Rover @ Oct. 12 2012, 4:28 pm)
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QUOTE The entire GOP defense spending is a weird one to me. The only reason I can see is to boost defense contractor campaign donations. I haven't seen too many conservatives demanding to ramp it up the way Romney is proposing - most appear tired of the endless wars. Virginia is a swing state with a lot of defense-related jobs. I can see that. It's the scale that's weird to me - all while pushing an ideological push against the scale of government. Maybe the 47% should be forced into military service... a Republican's dream. And with that big a military.... well you can't have them sitting around doing nothing can you.
Bomb Iran! Yeeeeeee-haw!!!
Since we're winding down our current round of crippling quagmires, we're due for another here pretty soon.
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