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Doctoring the employment numbers.

Paying off to defense contractors to withhold layoff announcements.

Trying to convince us there was no terrorist attack in Libya on our embassy.

Fast and Furious was started under the Bush administration.


I expect politicians to lie. I would prefer our president not to institutionalize it.


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You just convinced me to send another $100 to Obama.

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You just convinced me to send another $100 to Obama.

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Yeah, that happens to me too.
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Doctoring the employment numbers.

Paying off to defense contractors to withhold layoff announcements.

Trying to convince us there was no terrorist attack in Libya on our embassy.

Fast and Furious was started under the Bush administration.


I expect politicians to lie. I would prefer our president not to institutionalize it.

Uh, two things:

Most of those "lies" are little more than BS rightwing spin.

And those who paint Obama with the "Chicago-Style Politics" brush are clueless about Chicago politics and the old machine run by the senior Mayor Daley.


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BO mocks any effort to reduce federal spending after promising to halve the deficit and then turning his back on his own deficit commission.

Leadership...when you need it most.


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Doctoring the employment numbers.

Paying off to defense contractors to withhold layoff announcements.

Trying to convince us there was no terrorist attack in Libya on our embassy.

Fast and Furious was started under the Bush administration.


I expect politicians to lie. I would prefer our president not to institutionalize it.

Honestly...this is getting so boring already.

Can't anybody not voting for Obama come up with ANY reason not to vote for him other than the rhetoric constantly fed to them?  I'd actually respect someone who could...

This doctoring the employment numbers crap is old, and its only been running for a few days.  Show us that you're not an intellectual midget and actually READ the employment report.  There's a lot better explanation for the decline in the unemployment rate in the ACTUAL REPORT, than the garbage Jack Welch is feeding you.


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Jobless rate drop no big surprise, despite the political racket

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news....et?lite
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I haven't seen the numbers, but I'd bet the rate of sea level rise hasn't decreased. And if it has, Obama doctored the numbers.

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BO mocks any effort to reduce federal spending after promising to halve the deficit and then turning his back on his own deficit commission.

Leadership...when you need it most.


And we mock you for putting the POS in post.
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Jobless rate drop no big surprise, despite the political racket

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news....et?lite

Yeah, that.

What I see is both sides acting childishly, at least a bit.  The Dems trying to say "see, employment numbers are sharply up! Ha!" and the Reps claiming "you doctored the data!  Bah!", when in fact, neither are really true.  It's just a blip in a slow and steady improvement that doesn't fool the economists paying attention.


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Why do conservatives hate Chicago so much?
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Hungry Jack

Lets review some of the statements you have made in this thread. Lets start with this one

"Doctoring the employment numbers"

Do you know how foolish that statement makes you look? Is there any coincidence between you
making that statement and the fact so many in the right-wing echo machine(Fox, right-wing
radio, etc) has made this moronic allegation too?

Then lets look at this one

"Paying off to defense contractors to withhold layoff announcements."

Want to elaborate by producing a credible link? Speaking of links you haven't produced any
sources to back on anything you've claimed

"Trying to convince us there was no terrorist attack in Libya on our embassy."

and your proof of this and that it was a lie(That Obama said something that wasn't true
knowing it wasn't true?).

By the way what makes this attack on the embassy a "terroist attack" as opposed to any other
kind of attack like say an attack by militants?

"Fast and Furious was started under the Bush administration."

Give us proof that Obama said that knowing it was false at the time.  I mean there were
enough similarities between Fast and Furious and Operation Wide Receiver(the operation that
occurred during the Bush administration) that a mix up could have easily explained why Obama
said rather than you assuming Obama intentionally said something knowing it wasn't true
(a lie)

Did you ever accuse Bush of lying for anything?

"I expect politicians to lie. I would prefer our president not to institutionalize it."

prove any of those are "lies"


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Round 2 in response to Hungry Jack's second post

Hungry Jacks claims
"BO mocks any effort to reduce federal spending after promising to halve the deficit and
then turning his back on his own deficit commission."

Your proof that Obama mocks any effort to reduce federal spending?

Obama turning his back on his own deficit commission? See this is the kind of ignorance that
make me want to puke. So you don't know that deficit commission was originally a Republican
idea and as soon as Obama endorsed their idea Republicans rejected their own idea so its
actually the republicans who turned their back on their own idea


5. Bipartisan deficit-reduction commission established by Congress. This reversal early this
year involved six Republican co-sponsors of such a commission who voted against their own
Senate bill. The six were McCain, Brownback, Mike Crapo of Idaho, John Ensign of Nevada, Kay
Bailey Hutchison of Texas and James Inhofe of Oklahoma. McConnell had once supported the
idea, but he too voted against it.
The bill required an up-or-down vote on the commission
recommendations. McConnell and others said they feared the panel might suggest raising taxes.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010....against


“[Obama] created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He
thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing,” Ryan said in Tampa.

Ryan was one of eight Republicans on the 18-member commission and was among three Republicans
on the panel who voted against the commission’s recommendations,
which failed to be adopted.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs....mission


and the fact that Obama couldn't deliver on the promise to cut the deficit in half(No
president has even close to that much control over our budget. The presidency isn't a
dictatorship) isn't something I think is worthy of scorn as much as the fact that he made
the absurd promise in the first place.


But having said that, you do understand do you not Hungry Jack, that our debt is also
a function of revenue do you not and our revenues and taxes have been very low by a variety
of measures do you not?

You do understand do you not that spending is always increasing from year to year just to
keep up with population and that in terms of the growth of spending that it has been the
slowest during Obama's presidency since about 1960? Of course much that is because of the
kind of congress he has to deal with too.


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Why do conservatives hate Chicago so much?

Cuz it's full of liberals.

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Why do conservatives hate Chicago so much?

Cuz it's full of liberals.

OUCH!  The truth hurts doesn't it?

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Well, at least you admit you hate an entire city because you disagree with the political views of most of its inhabitants.

And yes, it kinda hurts that some of our fellow citizens are so hateful, misguided, and unchristian.


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Remember now

Both N2theWild and slinger claim to be "Christian".

maybe they can cite a verse justifying their hate


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Why do conservatives hate Chicago so much?

Cuz it's full of liberals.

OUCH!  The truth hurts doesn't it?

Why would a compliment hurt?
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You're right High Gravity....I have spent a fair amount of time in Chicago.....most of it at one IBM plaza but it has been awhile ago.

Chicago is a fun city....so fun, as a younger man, I endeavored to drink a beer in every bar on Rush Street....I think I only got to 21 beers that night but that's another long, old, story.

Mothers....the house of Blues.....the zoo.....Museum of Science and Industry.....Wriggly Field......Sears Tower....and the list goes on and on.

Chicago is a great city...but also know for corruption...

So, to all the Yankees from Chicago....apology offered.


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So, to all the Yankees from Chicago....apology offered.

Apology accepted from a Chicago-born "Yankee" and White Sox fan now residing in the western 'burbs (not far from Ron, who used to post in this forum more often before he got tired arguing with us libruls).


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