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davela 
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 12:20 am |
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Lance Armstrong is a cheat (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA....mstrong)who cheated his way to the top.
He also started his Livestrong charity to help his image and keep the heat off his cheating.Its all over for him.I always thought this guy was a real dbag for starting his charity-it was obvious pr.Now that charity will go bust and many lives will be hurt by LA's arrogance and hubris.I knew this disaster was inevitable.What an a hole.
Romney will lie/flip-flop to get whatever he wants(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012....80.html).He is a job and nation destroyer.Romney like Armsttrong, uses a cover to hide his evil,Mormonism.There is a nothing Christian about how mitts makes a living-just the opposite in fact.
Both these repulsive characters are sociopaths plodding along with enough gall to fill the Titanic to try to tell us that they are good people.
Why and how these creeps get placed on a pedestal and remain there long after they are exposed is the saddest commentary.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 12:33 am |
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C'mon, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
The Titanic is full of water ain't it? 
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davela
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 12:42 am |
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Mitts has switched from being prolife to pro choice and back to prolife again in less than 24 hours.
"The Romney campaign walked back the remark within two hours of the Register posting its story. Spokeswoman Andrea Saul told National Review Online's Katrina Trinko that Romney "would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012....80.html
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kyle2193
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 1:06 am |
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A majority of American's believe in ghosts, so forgive me if I don't take 26 people at their word. Especially if they have any incentive to lie.
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Franco
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 3:40 am |
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"He also started his Livestrong charity to help his image and keep the heat off his cheating"
Do you know that as a fact or is it just something you like to believe ?
As for cheating I will let other professional riders comment on that .
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Franco
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 4:43 am |
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Not that I believe lance Armstrong is innocent.
It was known during the last Tour De France that George Hincapie was going to retire after having testified about his involvement.
He had nothing to gain and all to lose from that, what I meant is that even after that came out I heard no comments from Lance Armstrong rivals
Why ?
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davela
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 4:43 am |
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An egomaniac has endless hubris and knows no bounds nor their own fallibility.
LA,GW Bush come to mind.
Think of what type of mind it takes to start a charity knowing that it will be devastated if the illegal activity you have knowingly engaged in will not only destroy your reputation but that of the foundation that is inextricably linked to you.That takes a lot of nerve to say the least.
Lance has been banned for life from cycling.Almost no reaction from LA on that.He didnt contest that on good advice from his lawyer.He said the accusations were nameless and tried to bluff or dare the usada to give up names.The usada called LA's bluff and has provided 11 names of fellow athletes.
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HighGravity
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 7:36 am |
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You guys are pretty naive if you think Armstrong wasn't doping. Hincapie just admitted to it yesterday, not that this was any big surprise either.
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 9:57 am |
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It isn't as if Lance was riding against an entire peleton clean of drugs. Anyone who kept close was, in all likelihood, doing something similar. I only say this because I happen to think he was a great rider, and won those races riding against others who were also cheating.
Was it wrong? Of course. Should we be so upset that we are comparing him to any politician? Nope. This is the world of sports, and in the world of professional bike racing, doping is the way.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 10:03 am |
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Why did all those who testified against Lance get 6 month suspensions rather than the 2 years required? Lance still passed all those tests. The only thing we know is that there are more admitted dopers and liars that Lance used to ride with. Still no evidence that Lance doped.
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Marmotstew
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 10:19 am |
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Meh. Who didn't just assume he and everyone was doping when he was winning all those races? They can take away his titles but can't take away his 125 million dollars. Well maybe some of it in lawyer fees and what not, which is maybe why he quit fighting it.
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Marmotstew
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 10:41 am |
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Well, because it's a scientific fact that Romney is a fraud.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 11:10 am |
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A majority of American's believe in ghosts, so forgive me if I don't take 26 people at their word. Especially if they have any incentive to lie.
 Isn't this how you deal with every piece of information you don't like?
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Land Rover
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 11:13 am |
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It's funny isn't it. It kinda epitomizes everything wrong with conservatism in America right now.
Don't like the job numbers - pretend it's a conspiracy.
Don't like to take blame for economy - pretend it's a conspiracy
Iraq going badly - it's a media conspiracy.
Like the Super PAC rules - ignore the role of money in elections
Now we can apparently add 26 cyclists incriminating themselves in a major doping scandal as having colluded again Lance.
You can't make this stuff up - though according to Kyle there's a lot of people making a hell of a lot of stuff up - basically anything which doesn't fit his ideology.
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davela
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 11:20 am |
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Oct. 11 2012, 10:38 am)
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QUOTE Meh. Who didn't just assume he and everyone was doping when he was winning all those races? They can take away his titles but can't take away his 125 million dollars. Well maybe some of it in lawyer fees and what not, which is maybe why he quit fighting it. He may have defrauded the gov't when he was part of the USPS team... so, yeah, they could take his money. BTW, I find it interesting that the OP was about Romney and Armstrong, and all the subsequent posts are only about Armstrong!
Yeah,lets not forget Mitts sociopathic ability to believe in his own daily flip-flops.He's scary.
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HighGravity
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 11:48 am |
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(kyle2193 @ Oct. 11 2012, 10:59 am)
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QUOTE You guys are pretty naive if you think Armstrong wasn't doping. Hincapie just admitted to it yesterday, not that this was any big surprise either. What you thinking is pretty irrelevant to the discussion, either you have evidence he was cheating or you don't.
There's plenty of evidence. You simply choose to ignore it. People enamored by celebrity often find themselves in your position.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 11:59 am |
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(kyle2193 @ Oct. 11 2012, 7:59 am)
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QUOTE You guys are pretty naive if you think Armstrong wasn't doping. Hincapie just admitted to it yesterday, not that this was any big surprise either. What you thinking is pretty irrelevant to the discussion, either you have evidence he was cheating or you don't.
Tests that caught MANY others never returned a positive on him or ALL his teammates that are reportedly all engaged for a decade?
Yet Contador, Landis etc. etc. are snagged by the same tests?
I'm going to go with the rules here: report out a positive test for a banned substance or indicator and that race result is gone, other races with no such positive result stand. That's how Contador is treated (WAY unfairly at that, zero tolerance gone nuts) so that's the rules of the competition. And it makes some sense to me: break a rule in a race and you get tossed from the race, not every race where you didn't violate the rules.
I'm more than a bit skeptical of coerced anecdotal "evidence": there was a report yesterday about some samples with questionable blood characteristics from the 2009 and 2010 comeback TdF's of Armstrong's: were that to be critically confirmed by WADA then his one podium result from those two races should be deleted per the rules. But as a podium finisher those samples would have already undergone analysis for blood doping so even for that rumor I'm skeptical as WADA catches blood dopers rather routinely.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 12:13 pm |
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The whole sport is so rife with it that it may just be time to give up on the doping rules.
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kyle2193
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 2:32 pm |
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(HighGravity @ Oct. 11 2012, 11:48 am)
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QUOTE You guys are pretty naive if you think Armstrong wasn't doping. Hincapie just admitted to it yesterday, not that this was any big surprise either. What you thinking is pretty irrelevant to the discussion, either you have evidence he was cheating or you don't. There's plenty of evidence. You simply choose to ignore it. People enamored by celebrity often find themselves in your position.
I could care less about cycling, personally.
However, years old eyewitness testimony is not evidence. It can support evidence, but it takes far more than that. As we saw when U.S. Federal prosecutors dropped their investigation without filling charges.
He may have doped, he may not have, but witch hunts that seek to deprive American citizens of their right to a living without due process are far worse than ANYTHING Armstrong could have done.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 2:41 pm |
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Wait!
What?
People lie?
Athletes cheat?
Where have you been?
Why single out Lance? The whole peloton was doped, and Lance rode circles around it. He must have been more doped.
And Romney a flip-flopping liar?
He certainly does not have a monopoly on that behavior.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 4:15 pm |
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HighGravity
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 4:37 pm |
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(kyle2193 @ Oct. 11 2012, 2:32 pm)
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QUOTE You guys are pretty naive if you think Armstrong wasn't doping. Hincapie just admitted to it yesterday, not that this was any big surprise either. What you thinking is pretty irrelevant to the discussion, either you have evidence he was cheating or you don't. There's plenty of evidence. You simply choose to ignore it. People enamored by celebrity often find themselves in your position. I could care less about cycling, personally. However, years old eyewitness testimony is not evidence. It can support evidence, but it takes far more than that. As we saw when U.S. Federal prosecutors dropped their investigation without filling charges. He may have doped, he may not have, but witch hunts that seek to deprive American citizens of their right to a living without due process are far worse than ANYTHING Armstrong could have done.
You a big OJ fan too?
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 6:35 pm |
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OJ had his day in court, and was acquitted, no matter what public opinion thinks. Lance was not facing criminal charges, as far as I know, so no court was required to railroad him. The similarity of the 2 cases is nonexistent.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 6:36 pm |
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Well except for the utter denial of the evidence by some.
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kyle2193
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 3:33 am |
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More than 26 people have claimed to see ghosts and they didn't get reduced suspensions to claim that.
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