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Bateauxdriver 
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2012, 11:59 pm |
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I figured that Joe Biden would be the dominate member of the debate. It went beyound that, Biden totally manhandled Ryan. Ryan mostly just sat there staring, when he did speak, he seemed confused. I think he and Romney have an extreme meshing problem. Ryan was trying to keep consistent with Romneys talking points but failed miserably. The two men are just too dislike. Another minus is Ryan's lack of a command voice. He just mumbles and his facial expressions doesn't add any confidence to his words.
Biden has played the Washington game so long it's natural for him to rattle away and bully the opposition. He and the President have several years of working together now and it's much easier for him to speak for his candidate. Obamas weak performance likely enhanced Biden's.
I doubt this VP debate will change many votes.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:12 am |
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I don't think I would go that far but I would give Biden the win.
There are two polls out. One from CBS that polled undecided voters and it
gave Biden the victory by a wide margin
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-25....ers-say
A CNN poll gave it to Ryan but only 4 points
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012....iden-44
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:13 am |
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You know there were two opportunities for Biden, when Ryan brought up this mind boggling
hypocritical and ironic claim that Obama wasn't trying to work with Republicans and
that Romney when he was governor(in which he said he was a "severe conservative") worked
with Democrats in Massachusetts, where he could have brought up the following Republican
meeting during Obama's Day inauguration(when the recession was at its most intense)
The dinner lasted nearly four hours. They parted company almost giddily. The Republicans
had agreed on a way forward:
Go after Geithner. (And indeed Kyl did, the next day: ‘Would you answer my question rather
than dancing around it—please?’)
Show united and unyielding opposition to the president’s economic policies. (Eight days later,
Minority Whip Cantor would hold the House Republicans to a unanimous No against Obama’s
economic stimulus plan.)
Begin attacking vulnerable Democrats on the airwaves. (The first National Republican Congressional
Committee attack ads would run in less than two months.)
Win the spear point of the House in 2010. Jab Obama relentlessly in 2011. Win the White House
and the Senate in 2012.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012....99.html
That would have really really exposed Ryan's hypocrisy
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:14 am |
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Oh and one more thing. Romney and Ryan at both debates used the very popular right-wing
Republican talking point 'A government takeover of health care'.
This is such a big fat lie that politifact gave it the Lie of the year for 2010
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o....th-care
What does it say about two candidates that they would be willing to promulgate such a
massive lie in front of tens of millions of people and still keep a straight face?
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:32 am |
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One thing was certainly made clear to me,Ryan is not someone I want to be President of the United States. It scares me that he actually admits, he'd govern by religious beliefs and not reason.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 8:22 am |
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I think in the home stretch that Obama/Biden will get their base motivated enough to win. The Romney/Ryan ticket just are too distant from each other politically. Romney moved right to win the nomination, but now he's disputing a lot of the talking points he temporally supported. Ryan isn't willing to move left with Romney. Their campaign is starting to wobble like a broken pair of flip flops.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 9:07 am |
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Thankfully Mitt will be President regardless. Time to take our country back from the socialists and silence some of you liberal wanks. That will give bama and michelle plenty of time for their love of travel.
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Bush and his cronies got the country in the mess that Obama has faced the past 4 years. Romney is nothing short of a 3rd Bush term.
I'll accept the slow limp back to progress for 4 more years and wait patiently for 2016. In 2016 we run Rand Paul. In 2016 we bring our country back on course. The Liberterians and moderates are rising. We are tired of unnecessary wars, huge budgets and government intrusion into our lives.
Rand Paul 2016.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:06 pm |
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A big electoral target is Florida with it's 29 votes and Biden hit Ryan/Romney pretty hard on a lot of issues Florida pays attention to so that would be one to check over the next week (it moving out of the Obama column was one of the larger items in the shift in RCP's totals)
"see a few more shifts" Oh absolutely, with the electoral college and the states in play being so small relatively small shifts in the undecided voters preferences will have significant impacts and what with "undecideds" being the group who have far less overall interest in politics they're a volatile group subject to immediate headline events like a debate or some international event...
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:46 pm |
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I thought Biden dominated the beginning of the debate, but his constant interruptions really wore on me.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 12:49 pm |
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Had Ryan repeated less malarkey Biden wouldn't have had the need to interrupt so much.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 1:32 pm |
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 1:49 pm |
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Oh look, surprise surprise BillBab uses the Republican leaning polling firm
rasmussenreports
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You know I'm still waiting for the first right-winger who either knows what the term
"socialist" means or applies their definition consistently across party lines
I can't recall any right-winger on any political message board that has been able to do this
even though the term "socialist" is so so basic and elementary.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 2:28 pm |
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Ooooooooo... Socialism. Very scary.
Kind of like Communism Lite.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012....mmunist
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Both accomplished their own respective missions.
Ryan proved he was no Palin.
Biden said what supporters wanted to hear last week from Obama.
Big question is did Obama learn any lessons last night.
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I think Biden played to his strengths, which was great to see. He's a big personality and it showed. I quite enjoyed the laughing, because realistically, given the ridiculousness of the Romney platform, is what it deserved.
I'm not surprised at the conservative reaction. Bullies don't like it when they get pushed back.
Ryan did ok, but was very robotic - his closing statement in particular.
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(GoBlueHiker @ Oct. 12 2012, 12:03 pm)
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Oct. 12 2012, 10:06 am)
QUOTE A big electoral target is Florida with it's 29 votes and Biden hit Ryan/Romney pretty hard on a lot of issues Florida pays attention to so that would be one to check over the next week (it moving out of the Obama column was one of the larger items in the shift in RCP's totals)
"see a few more shifts" Oh absolutely, with the electoral college and the states in play being so small relatively small shifts in the undecided voters preferences will have significant impacts and what with "undecideds" being the group who have far less overall interest in politics they're a volatile group subject to immediate headline events like a debate or some international event... Interestingly enough, if you click on the "No Toss-ups" electoral map, it shows Obama winning the electoral college even without FL, as it stands this moment. It is still a huge state and a big focus for both candidates, but it's not necessarily the "end-all" of the entire election. Which is good. I don't like the idea of the whole election being decided by just one state, regardless of which way it goes.
True but that 58 vote swing (from 29 votes blue to 29 votes red...) undoubtedly gave the campaign pause for sure. Suddenly you're not beating the "other guy" by nearly as much....
AND one more reason the electoral college should go.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 3:26 pm |
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(DonTom @ Oct. 12 2012, 3:29 am)
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QUOTE One thing was certainly made clear to me,Ryan is not someone I want to be President of the United States. It scares me that he actually admits, he'd govern by religious beliefs and not reason. Yep, I've always said there is enough nonsense in government even without the superstitious religious nonsense. We don't need more nonsense in our government. There's enough of it as is. -Don- Reno, NV
Agreed. All the more reason for as small a government as possible.
Let's face it. Government has been co-opted by a variety of special interests, from corporate banks, corporate farmers, and energy companies to public and private unions. A lot of politicians are tweaking laws, administrative rules, and budgetary decisions to serve their own interests.
Whether it's a health care law written by insurers, an energy policy written by drillers, or a auto company bailout that screws boundholders to serve the unions, it is easy to see how federal government behaves a lot like a corporation.
The average American is underrepresented in this form of public stakeholder capitalism. It has gotten way out of hand.
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2012, 3:28 pm |
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(Hungry Jack @ Oct. 12 2012, 3:26 pm)
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QUOTE One thing was certainly made clear to me,Ryan is not someone I want to be President of the United States. It scares me that he actually admits, he'd govern by religious beliefs and not reason. Yep, I've always said there is enough nonsense in government even without the superstitious religious nonsense. We don't need more nonsense in our government. There's enough of it as is. -Don- Reno, NV Agreed. All the more reason for as small a government as possible. Let's face it. Government has been co-opted by a variety of special interests, from corporate banks, corporate farmers, and energy companies to public and private unions. A lot of politicians are tweaking laws, administrative rules, and budgetary decisions to serve their own interests. Whether it's a health care law written by insurers, an energy policy written by drillers, or a auto company bailout that screws boundholders to serve the unions, it is easy to see how federal government behaves a lot like a corporation. The average American is underrepresented in this form of public stakeholder capitalism. It has gotten way out of hand.
I actually agree with you Jack.
It's become way too easy to buy the political process.
Major major reform is needed, but I don't see it ever happening.
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