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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 10:55 pm |
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First of all, Obama claimed he didnt want to leave any troops in Iraq from the beginning, but in fact he and Biden both tried to get the originally agreed security force of between 5-20K troops, but lost the argument with the Iraqi's. So he lied about that!
Secondly, He insulted Romney by saying "we dont use bayonets anymore" Well, ask the Marines, because they do still use them if needed. so who doesnt know what they are talking about!
Lastly, Obama keeps saying that Romney had always called for GM to go bankrupt, but in fact, when this was an issue, Romney followed up by saying that gov't should in fact provide financial guarantee if needed that would protect the customers(who have warranties) and prevent the company from going under. So in fact, Obama has gotten all those things wrong!
In closing, Romney won on the facts, but Obama won on the propaganda! OBama also seemed petty and disrespectful while Romney seemed responsible and presidential....
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:01 pm |
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If you're just going to re-tweet the latest right wing spin, stick to twitter.
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:03 pm |
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And, now, we have CharlesTheHammer repeating the high points of the commentary by - wait for it - the wonderfully unbiased analyst crew at Fox News, including his namesake, Charles Krauthammer.
I watched both Fox News' take and MSNBC's: I'll let you guess how each came out. Only point I'd make is: they can't both be completely right. I'd guess there was a wee bit o' spin.
Spin seems to be all this poster is capable of... (...but you knew that.)
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:12 pm |
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One of our several carrier groups is far more effective than the entire Navy of 1917. This is all about making money for stockholders, not about what is best for America. FAIL the OP
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:43 pm |
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(CharlesTheHammer @ Oct. 22 2012, 10:55 pm)
QUOTE First of all, Obama claimed he didnt want to leave any troops in Iraq from the beginning, but in fact he and Biden both tried to get the originally agreed security force of between 5-20K troops, but lost the argument with the Iraqi's. So he lied about that!
Secondly, He insulted Romney by saying "we dont use bayonets anymore" Well, ask the Marines, because they do still use them if needed. so who doesnt know what they are talking about!
Lastly, Obama keeps saying that Romney had always called for GM to go bankrupt, but in fact, when this was an issue, Romney followed up by saying that gov't should in fact provide financial guarantee if needed that would protect the customers(who have warranties) and prevent the company from going under. So in fact, Obama has gotten all those things wrong!
In closing, Romney won on the facts, but Obama won on the propaganda! OBama also seemed petty and disrespectful while Romney seemed responsible and presidential....
So CTH accuses Obama of lying but then claims obama said "we dont use bayonets anymore"
No
Obama said "Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets" not "we dont use bayonets anymore"
So CTH
Who is the liar?
If anyone is its YOU
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:45 pm |
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Well that's good to hear. Feeling a bit stupid now CTH? Probably not.
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:47 pm |
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"Secondly, He insulted Romney by saying "we dont use bayonets anymore" Well, ask the Marines, because they do still use them if needed. so who doesnt know what they are talking about!'
That explains a lot....
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:52 pm |
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(Dennis The Menace @ Oct. 22 2012, 11:43 pm)
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(CharlesTheHammer @ Oct. 22 2012, 10:55 pm)
QUOTE First of all, Obama claimed he didnt want to leave any troops in Iraq from the beginning, but in fact he and Biden both tried to get the originally agreed security force of between 5-20K troops, but lost the argument with the Iraqi's. So he lied about that!
Secondly, He insulted Romney by saying "we dont use bayonets anymore" Well, ask the Marines, because they do still use them if needed. so who doesnt know what they are talking about!
Lastly, Obama keeps saying that Romney had always called for GM to go bankrupt, but in fact, when this was an issue, Romney followed up by saying that gov't should in fact provide financial guarantee if needed that would protect the customers(who have warranties) and prevent the company from going under. So in fact, Obama has gotten all those things wrong!
In closing, Romney won on the facts, but Obama won on the propaganda! OBama also seemed petty and disrespectful while Romney seemed responsible and presidential.... So CTH accuses Obama of lying but then claims obama said "we dont use bayonets anymore" No Obama said "Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets" not "we dont use bayonets anymore" So CTH Who is the liar? If anyone is its YOU
Man you got owned here Chuck. You bicker about a detail of a broader point but even get that detail wrong.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:53 pm |
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Franco
See in other words you believe CTH BS propaganda that Obama said "we dont use bayonets anymore"
even though he didn't say that.
Did you not see the debate?
as I said, what Obama actually said was "Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets"
not "we dont use bayonets anymore"
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 22 2012, 11:54 pm |
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"Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets"
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:05 am |
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Oh and about Romney and the auto bailout,
What he wanted would have required huge amount of private capital.
During the financial meltdown?
Ya right
As politifact stated
Romney’s managed bankruptcy would have required massive amounts of private capital,
capital that would have been a challenge to raise in the best of times and this took
place during a financial meltdown.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o....was-let
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:07 am |
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Wait. The 3 main points of a debate on foreign policy were 1) troops in Iraq, 2) naval ships and bayonets, and 3) GM?
What does GM have to do with Foreign Policy? I know it was discussed, but a main point? I do not think so.
Anyone who thinks a remark about the number of naval ships today compared with anything prior to 1961 (when we first floated a nuclear powered aircraft carrier) is relevant to a discussion of modern military preparedness is a complete fool.
The simple fact about our troops in Iraq is that we seemed to be stuck in a quagmire and somehow we needed to get ourselves totally free of that. When the President first wanted to get all of our troops home from there seems to matter little. Wanting to bring them home is much different from actually being able to do it. The fewer troops in harm's way is the ultimate goal, IMO, and we know who will accomplish that.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:18 am |
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It's a reinforcement of the Romney LieApallooza Tour he's been taking around the country for months now.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:54 am |
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To clarify :
What I meant was : That explains a lot about the OP's way of thinking...
(that he did not get the intended meaning : "things change" , bayonets , horses and early 20th century naval vessels are irrelevant today no matter quantity ..)
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 7:17 am |
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(Gabby @ Oct. 22 2012, 11:03 pm)
QUOTE And, now, we have CharlesTheHammer repeating the high points of the commentary by - wait for it - the wonderfully unbiased analyst crew at Fox News, including his namesake, Charles Krauthammer.
I watched both Fox News' take and MSNBC's: I'll let you guess how each came out. Only point I'd make is: they can't both be completely right. I'd guess there was a wee bit o' spin.
Spin seems to be all this poster is capable of... (...but you knew that.)
I do the same thing.....watched the liberal love fest at MSNBC after the debate......
I do agree, lots of spin on both sides.
After shock and Awe and the air war, it was the troops on the ground with rifle and bayonet that marched across Iraq.
The infantry still has to mop up and is still very relevant IMO.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 7:52 am |
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(gunslinger @ Oct. 23 2012, 7:17 am)
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(Gabby @ Oct. 22 2012, 11:03 pm)
QUOTE And, now, we have CharlesTheHammer repeating the high points of the commentary by - wait for it - the wonderfully unbiased analyst crew at Fox News, including his namesake, Charles Krauthammer.
I watched both Fox News' take and MSNBC's: I'll let you guess how each came out. Only point I'd make is: they can't both be completely right. I'd guess there was a wee bit o' spin.
Spin seems to be all this poster is capable of... (...but you knew that.) I do the same thing.....watched the liberal love fest at MSNBC after the debate...... I do agree, lots of spin on both sides. After shock and Awe and the air war, it was the troops on the ground with rifle and bayonet that marched across Iraq. The infantry still has to mop up and is still very relevant IMO.
Your comment has nothing to so with Obama's.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 8:08 am |
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(gunslinger @ Oct. 23 2012, 4:17 am)
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(Gabby @ Oct. 22 2012, 11:03 pm)
QUOTE And, now, we have CharlesTheHammer repeating the high points of the commentary by - wait for it - the wonderfully unbiased analyst crew at Fox News, including his namesake, Charles Krauthammer.
I watched both Fox News' take and MSNBC's: I'll let you guess how each came out. Only point I'd make is: they can't both be completely right. I'd guess there was a wee bit o' spin.
Spin seems to be all this poster is capable of... (...but you knew that.) I do the same thing.....watched the liberal love fest at MSNBC after the debate...... I do agree, lots of spin on both sides. After shock and Awe and the air war, it was the troops on the ground with rifle and bayonet that marched across Iraq. The infantry still has to mop up and is still very relevant IMO.
so, what's your point?
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 11:18 am |
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I didn't watch the debate, but if a bayonet was a main point, I'm glad I watched football instead.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 11:39 am |
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 11:40 am |
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Besides no private money coming to the table for GM, a normal bankruptcy would have put GM's suppliers into bankruptcy as well, and that would have hurt Toyota , Honda and others as well since often use the same suppliers.
I was surprised Obama was ready for the number of ships line, it was a cute response to a flawed point by Romney. Who would look at ships from (1916?) to determine anything. Still it did leave the question unanswered about are we prepared with our navy? Still spending more than the other 10 countries combined I would have to say so.
I do think we tried to stay in Iraq, warning them we had to leave if they did not extend our stay in a timely manner (needed time to withdraw). But I think Obama always said Iraq was the wrong war, Romney's Neocon advisors still say it was the right thing, even after not finding any WMDs.
Here is CNN's fact check. Seems to be a mixed point. And who isn't glad we are out of there? Though aren't really with troops nearby.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 11:44 am |
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Would Republicans have been happy with troops there who were subject to Iraqi Sharia law?
Or was the President's lack of give on that point another item Romney agrees with him on?
Bottom line: the sovereign nation of Iraq wanted us OUT so per the agreement that was in place, we left.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:00 pm |
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Oct. 23 2012, 11:38 am)
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QUOTE I didn't watch the debate, but if a bayonet was a main point, I'm glad I watched football instead. No the main point, underlined by the president's bayonet reference, was that Romney's plan to throw an additional 2 trillion dollars at the DoD based on our not having enough coal fired steamships in the fleet (as he pines for the Navy of 1917) was nonsensical, ignorant and strongly smelling of a rather scary lack of knowledge for someone applying for the job of Commander in Chief. Spending money for money's sake so when the time comes we just show our adversary the bill and they stand down in awe? Just more "Spend and Hope" from the Republican. ETA: Given the vast gulf in manning requirements of a hundred thousand ton super carrier and a six thousand ton coal fired warship what's to bet the Navy is actually larger than in 1917? then there's the force multiplier of aircraft: say one F18 Super Hornet per coal powered destroyer? And a Ford's air wing has a LOT of F18's.....
I figured as much, it was a joke on the OP.
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:00 pm |
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http://www.newyorker.com/online....ps.html
QUOTE It is a measure of Obama’s success here that Romney supporters came out to object that the Marines do, indeed, still use bayonets, . . .
And apparently Romney has used this line before:
QUOTE a fake fact relying on the raw number of boats of every shape and description the Navy has, which Romney has used before and that, this time, got the response it deserved.
EDIT:
Oh, somewhere I read we have more ships now than under Bush, so . . .
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:04 pm |
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(kyle2193 @ Oct. 23 2012, 9:00 am)
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QUOTE I didn't watch the debate, but if a bayonet was a main point, I'm glad I watched football instead. No the main point, underlined by the president's bayonet reference, was that Romney's plan to throw an additional 2 trillion dollars at the DoD based on our not having enough coal fired steamships in the fleet (as he pines for the Navy of 1917) was nonsensical, ignorant and strongly smelling of a rather scary lack of knowledge for someone applying for the job of Commander in Chief. Spending money for money's sake so when the time comes we just show our adversary the bill and they stand down in awe? Just more "Spend and Hope" from the Republican. ETA: Given the vast gulf in manning requirements of a hundred thousand ton super carrier and a six thousand ton coal fired warship what's to bet the Navy is actually larger than in 1917? then there's the force multiplier of aircraft: say one F18 Super Hornet per coal powered destroyer? And a Ford's air wing has a LOT of F18's..... I figured as much, it was a joke on the OP.
Baseball for me.
Why on earth they can't do after game interviews AWAY from the rain escapes me. Almost as much as why people report on hurricanes outside IN the hurricane....
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Posted on: Oct. 23 2012, 12:08 pm |
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I heard a good counter to this the other day, but I am not going to try to find a web link for a TV show.
It was something like the economy was losing so many jobs when Obama came to office, and continued to do so of course for awhile, and that was reversed.
Of course one could argue if that is good enough.
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