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QUOTE … not only am I not comfortable with what Governor Romney is proposing for his economic plan, I have concerns about his views on foreign policy. The Governor, who was speaking on Monday night at the debate, was saying things that were quite different from what he said earlier. So I’m not quite sure which Governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy… it’s a moving target. One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign.
And my concern, which I’ve expressed previously in a public way, is that sometimes I don’t sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have, and he gets advice from his campaign staff that he then has to adjust to modify as he goes along.
Welcome to the revolving door of Mitt Romney politics – here today, gone tomorrow.
And the interview continues…
QUOTE ROSE: Are you concerned about the people that are advising Governor Romney?
POWELL: I think there’s some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the Governor that I have some trouble with. [Ed.: Ya think?]
There are other issues as well, not just the economy and foreign policy. I’m more comfortable with President Obama and his administration when it comes to issues like what are we going to do about climate, what are we going to do about immigration? What are we going to do about education? Lots of things like that. I do not want to see the new Obamacare plan thrown off the table. It has issues, you have to fix some things in that plan. But what I see when I look at that plan is 30 million of our fellow citizens will now be covered by insurance. And I think that’s good. We’re one of the few nations in the world, with our size, population and wealth, that does not have universal health care.
"Colin Powell Rips Mitt Romney’s Foreign Policy while Endorsing Obama "
That's how it works, undecided folk: Clear choice. Easy decision. If you're intelligent.
You want a theocracy headed by idiots with a plutocratic agenda, vote Romney.
You want a democratic republic**, vote Obama.
It's that simple.
**I'd just like to see us move just a tiny bit more in the direction of a "democratic republic", rather than further away.
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hbfa
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Posted on: Oct. 25 2012, 10:08 pm |
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I've always had a lot of respect for Colin Powell.
And I agree with his assessment of Governor Romney.
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orygawn
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Posted on: Oct. 25 2012, 10:25 pm |
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If only Powell had thought through the Iraq war as thoroughly as he should have
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Oct. 25 2012, 10:44 pm |
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Ah well, Romney's campaign chair went there:
"In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan this evening, Romney Campaign Co-Chair and former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu (R-NH) offered a surprising theory on why General Colin Powell endorsed President Obama for reelection today — because both men are black:"
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Posted on: Oct. 25 2012, 11:05 pm |
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votin' the bro ticket
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(hikerjer @ Oct. 25 2012, 10:23 pm)
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(hbfa @ Oct. 25 2012, 10:08 pm)
QUOTE I've always had a lot of respect for Colin Powell. Me too. I always kind of thought that maybe he should have been the first black President.
The same Colin Powell who was charged with initial investigation into the Mai Lai massacre and brushed it under the rug?
That would not be my choice for president.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Oct. 25 2012, 11:16 pm |
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(pass-thru @ Oct. 25 2012, 11:07 pm)
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QUOTE I've always had a lot of respect for Colin Powell. Me too. I always kind of thought that maybe he should have been the first black President. The same Colin Powell who was charged with initial investigation into the Mai Lai massacre and brushed it under the rug? That would not be my choice for president.
Oh please.
As if you care about that
If Powell endorsed Mitt you wouldn't be responding that way.
The problem with Powell with today's GOP is that he is moderate Eisenhower Republican essentially
There is NO room for moderates in today's GOP
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Posted on: Oct. 25 2012, 11:21 pm |
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Pardon my spelling, but I hope get the point.
Colin Powell has never anything more than a yes man, as evidenced by My Lai. His panties are permantly wadded after his failure as Secretary of State. I have never cared for him, and simply find his endorsement of Obama as disingenuous.
Funny you should label me a Republican, because I have voted democrat at least as much as Republican and am and always have been registered independent.
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Powell still has a long way to go to redeem himself for forwarding the Bush lies, that injected us into war in Iraq. I had enormous respect for Powell and I wish he had run for president in 2000. He cast away his respect to support Bush.
I don't think however the Powell endorsement is racially based. He just as myself and many other moderate Republicans do not trust Romney.
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(TehipiteTom @ Oct. 25 2012, 11:55 pm)
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QUOTE votin' the bro ticket [/racistdouchebag]
Show some respect, he was the secretary of state
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Posted on: Oct. 26 2012, 6:11 am |
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Just another voter that cannot see past the color of his skin
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It is amazing how many people suddenly like Colin Powell. The whole Iraq thing really changed my opinion of him.
However, to address Gabby. It isn't a two person race, never has been, likely never will be.
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(cowgiano @ Oct. 26 2012, 1:11 pm)
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QUOTE The same Colin Powell who was charged with initial investigation into the Mai Lai massacre and brushed it under the rug?
That would not be my choice for president. Have your read his autobiography? He was interviewed by an army investigator and asked to provide the "body count" numbers for his unit for that week. (He was G-3 at the time). He had no idea why those questions were asked. Not exactly what I would call "charged with the initial investigation". More unsubstantiated far-right nut case propaganda.
Now there's a credible source, his autobiography!!! Of course he didn't cover it up, he even says he didn't!!!!
Glad your so willing to overlook war crimes cowgirl.
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BillBab
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Posted on: Oct. 26 2012, 1:36 pm |
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And don't forget who was really obstructing the Plame investigation
http://spectator.org/blog/2012/10/25/the-dishonorable-colin-powell
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(pass-thru @ Oct. 26 2012, 1:15 pm)
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QUOTE The same Colin Powell who was charged with initial investigation into the Mai Lai massacre and brushed it under the rug?
That would not be my choice for president. Have your read his autobiography? He was interviewed by an army investigator and asked to provide the "body count" numbers for his unit for that week. (He was G-3 at the time). He had no idea why those questions were asked. Not exactly what I would call "charged with the initial investigation". More unsubstantiated far-right nut case propaganda. Now there's a credible source, his autobiography!!! Of course he didn't cover it up, he even says he didn't!!!! Glad your so willing to overlook war crimes cowgirl.
You made the claim Powell covered it up. Where are your sources to substantiate Piss-thru?
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Watch the scumbags turn on their own sec of state. Just when I think you can't get any lower your there trying to drag America into to the gutter with you yet again.
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(Dennis The Menace @ Oct. 25 2012, 11:18 pm)
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QUOTE votin' the bro ticket Seeing things through the prism of race eh? Tell me are you white? If so will you be voting for Romney because of the white ticket? If not then why are you different than Powell?
Yet, countless times on this forum has it been mentioned that if a caucasian doesn't like or vote for Obama, it's because they're racist. Even if the racism is subconscious.
ETA - For the record, I don't believe race entered into Powell's decision.
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Land Rover
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Oct. 26 2012, 3:52 pm)
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QUOTE votin' the bro ticket Seeing things through the prism of race eh? Tell me are you white? If so will you be voting for Romney because of the white ticket? If not then why are you different than Powell? Yet, countless times on this forum has it been mentioned that if a caucasian doesn't like or vote for Obama, it's because they're racist. Even if the racism is subconscious. ETA - For the record, I don't believe race entered into Powell's decision.
Most times that has come up wwbf I think the posters have made it clear that its not the case for all those who didn't vote for him.
For some on here its clearly a motivation.
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Gabby
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Posted on: Oct. 26 2012, 5:07 pm |
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While posting this thread, I thought briefly about what the response might be:
I figured the right would, typically, simply assess the action as nothing more than one black supporting another. I figured there would also be some disavowal of Colin Powell, and that's certainly understandable, given the ideological split in the Bush administration between Rumsfeld and Powell over Iraq: the "hawks" vs. "doves" dispute, which is also the dispute over "foreign policy" that most characterizes the divide between Democrats and Republicans on issues in which force becomes a factor, as in the matter of Iran.
I don't believe the animosity toward Powell is necessarily "racist", though the attitude of the right toward Obama certainly has the appearance of being racist, even if the clearly racist attacks used by the periphery of the Tea Party-radicalized segments of the GOP are, to a large extent, "rogue", and "not condoned" - at least not overtly - much as positions on the "social issues" are handled in the GOP, where the more radicalized elements of the party are catered to by including at least some, or even most, of the language of the far right in platform statements in order to gain their support - racism is allowed, or perhaps even allowed as a tactic by the party, though only tacitly, as "yet another effective method of attack". A great deal like the "47% assessment" by Romney in that "secret" meeting with large donors, I suspect that the GOP party types figure "those people won't vote for us anyway, so screw 'em."
Colin Powell is something of an enigma, because he does not truly belong in the Republican party, certainly not as it is aligned at this time, and he doesn't really belong in the Democratic party either. Powell is an "Eisenhower Republican" of the "old school" Republican party of another era. It's as if, IMHO, that the guys who are repulsed by the agenda of the "new school" Republicans have taken the least of what they may very well see as "two evils", and chosen the Democrats, because they are, after all, closer to the center, and to a moderate course.
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