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What is it with these white men? What are they seeing that ordinary people don't see? What accounts for this ... secession of theirs, from the rest of America? John Sununu, Romney's campaign co-chair, responded to Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama by saying, "I think that when you have somebody of your own race that you're proud of being president of the United States—I applaud Colin for standing with him."

Sununu was trying to be snide. But there he is, standing with Mitt Romney. Just like Donald Trump and Clint Eastwood and Buzz Bissinger and Meat Loaf—one aging white man after another. It's a study in identity politics.
White people don't like to believe that they practice identity politics. The defining part of being white in America is the assumption that, as a white person, you are a regular, individual human being.
Other demographic groups set themselves apart, to pursue their distinctive identities and interests and agendas. Whiteness, to white people, is the American default.
Yet Mitt Romney's election strategy depends on the notion that the white vote is separate from the rest of the vote, and can be captured as such...

...This has been the foundation of Republican presidential politics for more than four decades, since Richard Nixon courted and won the votes of Southerners who'd turned against the Democratic Party because of integration and civil rights. The Party of Lincoln became the party of Lincoln's assassins, leveraging white anger into a regional advantage and eventually a regional monopoly...

...For more than four years, without pause, Republicans have been campaigning and propagandizing against an imaginary Obama. At the most grotesque end of the fantasies, he is a foreign-born, anti-colonialist Muslim. In more reputable precincts, he is a power-mad socialist and a dumb affirmative-action baby, promoted all the way to the presidency by a race-crazed, condescending liberal elite. (As if the presidency of the Harvard Law Review were awarded to anyone but the hungriest shark in the shark tank.) This is the position of the party's mandarins and reputable spinners—that Obama was foisted off on regular Americans against their will, despite all those votes last time around.
Hence the baiting of Obama, throughout his term, for supposedly being unable to speak without a teleprompter. Republicans predicted, over and over, that the president would be exposed and humiliated in face-to-face debate with an opponent (Newt Gingrich especially fantasized about being that foe). Eventually this led to Clint Eastwood haranguing the empty chair. And then in the first presidential debate, Obama was slack and ineffectual against a sharp Romney. See? It was true!
And then Obama shredded Romney in the second debate, and kept cuffing him around in the third. Now Romney was the deflating balloon, wild-eyed and babbling and licking his dry mouth in desperation. From which Peggy Noonan—whose proudest credential is having written the scripts for a Republican president who couldn't function without being fed his lines—concluded in the Wall Street Journal that the only meaningful debate was the first one...


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While you're at it, maybe you can explain why black people vote for a black man far greater than white votes for white.

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You could actually read the article, or you can just keep trolling. The choice is yours.
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You could actually title your post to reflect the substance of the article... Why Do White People Think Mitt Romney Should Be President... instead of race baiting.

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Excellent piece. Romney isn't running to be President of the United States; he's running to be the President of White People.

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You could actually title your post to reflect the substance of the article... Why Do White People Think Mitt Romney Should Be President... instead of race baiting.

I had to shorten it to make if fit. Sorry it upset you.
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Off to the OOC thread with you...

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I read somewhere yesterday how some news organization had their reporters covering the Romney and Obama
campaign switch. The Romney campaign reporter who switched to the Obama campaign said there was one
huge difference between the crowds at Romney rallies as opposed to Obama rallies(other than Obama
crowds are larger) which was that the Romney crowds were much older and whiter.

Not surprising of course. Its what I would have expected


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A lot of them spent their formative years sitting in church pews listening to old white guys tell them how to think, how to live their lives and what to believe. Romney is familiar to these types.
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Actually, I think the left is the group most guilty of painting all groups with a broad brush...and this is just more of it

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Actually, I think the left is the group most guilty of painting all groups with a broad brush...and this is just more of it

LOL...I love that kind of unwitting irony.
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Interesting piece from the Toronto Star today.
I don't know enough about the nuts & bolts of US politics to comment on its validity but I found it interesting.

http://www.thestar.com/news....ead-end

Headline:  "U.S. election: Win or lose, Republicans could be facing historic dead end"

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"......Since Richard Nixon’s 1960s, Cohen says, Republicans have pursued what is commonly known as the “Southern Strategy” — a waxing, waning, but always-there courtship of southern whites, cultural evangelicals and rural voters, all under the banner of anti-government populism.

But as America’s rapidly changing demographics demonstrate, the formula is about to stall. An Obama victory Tuesday night, built around a Democratic coalition of a majority of the Hispanic and African-American minorities, and a minority of the white majority, will only drive the moment home....."
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People as a whole are becoming more sinful, not less. So it's no shock that the party of perverseness is growing.

So don't fret lefties... if not this election, then at some time in the future you will win most all elections.


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People as a whole are becoming more sinful, not less. So it's no shock that the party of perverseness is growing.

So don't fret lefties... if not this election, then at some time in the future you will win most all elections.

Maybe you should sin less to balance out all that sinning the rest of us are doing.
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People as a whole are becoming more sinful, not less. So it's no shock that the party of perverseness is growing.

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This is the sort of poppycock horsesh** that makes people ridicule what you say; read your bible, and look at your own religion's history, and try to tell me that people are somehow more "sinful" (whatever that might actually mean) today.

Or, closer to home, read the history of the US .. read about slavery, and persecution and genocide and misogynism and all the other countless examples of how awful people have been over the years.

To say that "people as whole are becoming more sinful" is to remain purposely ignorant about people. And sin.


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You're correct Carl. My thoughts perhaps didn't meet with my words.

What I was wanting to say is that people seem to care less about sinning. i.e. less and less about the moral aspect.

Yes I sin. We all sin. There is simply a lack of repentance or a lack of care about sinning in today's population.


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You're correct Carl. My thoughts perhaps didn't meet with my words.

What I was wanting to say is that people seem to care less about sinning. i.e. less and less about the moral aspect.

Yes I sin. We all sin. There is simply a lack of repentance or a lack of care about sinning in today's population.

That wasn't any less stupid than the previous comment.  If we ever returned to so-called Biblical morality, then you'd see some serious sinning, as you call it.  Your Biblical patriarchs were some of the most debased people ever to walk the earth...assuming they actually did and that the stories about them are true.
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That wasn't any less stupid than the previous comment.  

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You're correct Carl. My thoughts perhaps didn't meet with my words.

What I was wanting to say is that people seem to care less about sinning. i.e. less and less about the moral aspect.

Yes I sin. We all sin. There is simply a lack of repentance or a lack of care about sinning in today's population.

N2theWild

Do you seriously, actually believe that?

The entire concept of "sin" is so ridiculous that it inevitably leads to this kind of mental collapse.

How about you go thru your bible and look at all the things listed as 'sin' and then reconsider what 'sin' might actually be. And maybe why there might be a "lack of care about sinning in today's population".

You could at least try to think.


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For a bunch of people who've been very explicitly warned about who does the judging there's a whole lot O judging out and about. It seems to me.
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For a bunch of people who've been very explicitly warned about who does the judging there's a whole lot O judging out and about. It seems to me.

warned by who?

If you are referring to the bible you may want to read what it says about judging. I'm certain it differs from what you've been told it says.


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By sinning do you mean the gay thing?
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Sin comes in many shapes and sizes, Marmotstew.

The key is repentance and accepting that Jesus died for those sins.


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doesn't  repentance imply you will decrease how often you do a particular sin
such as say.... Gee I don't know.. maybe engaging in deceit and lying?

All sorts of irony going on with N2's post this morning


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Sin comes in many shapes and sizes, Marmotstew.

The key is repentance and accepting that Jesus died for those sins.

Whatever gets you through the day. But I don't believe He died for my sins because Jesus never existed. Perhaps some charlatans back in the day put some ketchup on some dude and a trap door in the tomb. Ketchup not having been invented yet but you know what I'm sayin'
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For a bunch of people who've been very explicitly warned about who does the judging there's a whole lot O judging out and about. It seems to me.

warned by who?

If you are referring to the bible you may want to read what it says about judging. I'm certain it differs from what you've been told it says.

Does it say this?

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Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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Precisely HG.

Read it slowly and it will sink in. Not being mean here, just read carefully what it is telling you.


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And you wonder why people think you're a troll.
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And you wonder why people think you're a troll.

What it says is not to judge your brother (others) when you are partaking in the same action, less you be a hypocrite.

First, correct yourself, THEN you can help your brother (others).
Addressing the action/sin is, in itself, a form of judging, but it is necessary in order to help.


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