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This election, like no other, sure exposed this right-wing bubble so many Republicans
live in. In this forum you had some right-wingers who were sure Romney was going to win.
One even explicitly said that Romney would win by three points(Just for the record I had
no idea who was going to win although Nate Silver's forecast gave me hope despite all the
voter suppression tactics and big money).

How the right reacted to the polls was a great example of how this right-wing bubble works.
Many polls contradicted the polls results from polls favored in the right-wing bubble such
as Rasmussen and Gallup or Pollster/Pundits on Fox such as Dick Morris(who made a total
fool out of himself saying that Romney would win a landslide). So how did the right-wing
react? By claiming the other polls were inaccurate and oversampled Democrats. Even Mitt
Romney himself was so taken in by this bubble that apparently he didn't even have a
concession speech ready to go in case he lost and was shocked when he came to the realization
that he did indeed lose.

The unemployment numbers is yet another example. When the unemployment rate went down to %7.8
in September you had the right-wing echo machine/"conservative Entertainment complex" whip
out the conspiracy theory that it was the Obama administration that cooked the books and then
on this very forum you had posters promulgate that very same insane absurd conspiracy theory.

Taxes is another great example. Obama administration has cut taxes to the point that by
a variety of measures taxes are at their lowest level in decades. For example the
overall tax burden has been the lowest since 1958

Yet the vast vast majority of Republicans, if you were to ask them either are taxes high or did
Obama raise taxes, would answer yes to both questions. One poster in this forum asked for evidence
that Obama cut taxes.  David Frum had a great response on this the other day on Morning Joe


Frum said he interviewed protesters at Tea Party rallies and found that a majority was convinced
that taxes increased and that the federal government spent more than $1 trillion on welfare each
year. Both claims are false.


http://www.thewrap.com/media....x-64421

and the thing about these claims is that they are not esoteric facts. Just the opposite for everyone who
has been following the news only a tad bit(so long as its been followed outside the bubble). These
should be common knowledge but not for those living in the right-wing bubble.

David Frum(former Bush speech writer so he is no liberal) went on to say "Republicans have been fleeced
and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," and that "The followers, the donors
and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces,"


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So pick an issue(any issue) and you will find something similar.

The Stimulus. There is so much evidence whether its from the CBO, economist Mark Zandi of
Moody's(and one of McCain's economic advisers) or mainstream economist after mainstream
economist that the stimulus worked but yet ask a right-winger if the stimulus worked or
failed and they will say it failed because this "conservative entertainment complex" told
them it failed.

Take ObamaRomneyHeritageFoundationCare. ObamaRomneyHeritageFoundationCare gives more customers
to the insurance industry and has been modeled on Republican ideas on health care from the
start(especially the mandate) but yet without fail, if you discuss ObamaRomneyHeritageFoundationCare
with a right-winger, they will more than likely describe it as "far left", "socialist", "government
takeover of health Care" or something along those lines. Where could they possibly get the idea that
ObamaRomneyHeritageFoundationCare is "far left","socialist" or "government takeover of health Care"?
The "conservative entertainment complex"/Right-wing echo machine that's where.

Ask a right-wing Republican what caused the recession and in particular the financial crisis and
they will more than like say Freddie & Fannie and Barnie Frank and maybe Chris Dodd and the
CRA which are all absurd talking points(especially the one that blames Barnie Frank. Its especially
pathetic when they pull out quotes from Frank as if saying something is cause for a recession?
Please). Where did they get this from again?  The "conservative entertainment complex"/Right-wing
echo machine.

Again pick an issue(any issue) and you will more than likely see this dynamic at play.

The devout followers of this "conservative entertainment complex"/Right-wing
echo machine(I think its safe to say there are at LEAST two devout followers in
our forum) are so steeped into this culture of propaganda that they are also immune to
any media that tries to explain how they are being played because the  "conservative
entertainment complex"/Right-wing echo has indoctrinated them into believing that
the  "conservative entertainment complex"/Right-wing is the only trustworthy "news"
and any other news that refutes them is by definition "liberally biased" and therefore
not trustworthy.

Heck lets just call it what it is. A cult.

But the good news is that MOST people didn't fall for it this time but next election
when voter turnout will most likely be lower? Less likely.


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Why you hate Gretchen so much?

Is it cuz she looks so angry all the time?

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Looks like yet another example of the right-wing bubble


PPP's first post election national poll finds that Republicans are taking the results pretty
hard...and also declining in numbers.

49% of GOP voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election for President
Obama. We found that 52% of Republicans thought that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama,
so this is a modest decline, but perhaps smaller than might have been expected given that
ACORN doesn't exist anymore.


Some GOP voters are so unhappy with the outcome that they no longer care to be a part of the
United States. 25% of Republicans say they would like their state to secede from the union
compared to 56% who want to stay and 19% who aren't sure.

One reason that such a high percentage of Republicans are holding what could be seen as
extreme views is that their numbers are declining. Our final poll before the election, which
hit the final outcome almost on the head, found 39% of voters identifying themselves as
Democrats and 37% as Republicans. Since the election we've seen a 5 point increase in
Democratic identification to 44%, and a 5 point decrease in Republican identification to 32%.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main....ll.html


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Even after winning the election, DTM would rather focus on spewing hate.

I kinda feel sorry for the guy.


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You can always count on fanatics on the one side constantly shrilling on about 'fanatics' on the other side.

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Even after winning the election, DTM would rather focus on spewing hate.

I kinda feel sorry for the guy.


When Bush was elected did right-wingers like n2 stop with their "hate"? Was it "hate" then
or is it different since it was Bush?

Even after the election, N2 still would rather use hyperbolic rhetoric(such as framing
accurate description of the current state of the Republicans party and right-wing of
which n2 belongs to) as "hate" rather than to give a substantive rebutal to the facts
and arguments described by me.  

I feel sorry for N2 proclivity to resort to this mindless knee-jerk right-wing poltiical
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You can always count on fanatics on the one side constantly shrilling on about 'fanatics' on the other side.

If you are referring to me as an fanatic, how is giving specific detailed arguments with
supportive documentation that is consistent with what former Bush Speech writer David
Frum says about the current state of the Republican party?


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Soon as someone says "..I watch FOX a lot, and they...",  I immediately excuse myself so I can re-arrange my sock drawer.  

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You can always count on fanatics on the one side constantly shrilling on about 'fanatics' on the other side.

If you are referring to me as an fanatic, how is giving specific detailed arguments with
supportive documentation that is consistent with what former Bush Speech writer David
Frum says about the current state of the Republican party?

Look up the word "fanatic".  It doesn't mean your arguments are all non factual.  It does mean that you are consumed by this one topic.  Maybe prove to yourself that you aren't a fanatic by posting some other topics  for a change -- like backpacking?  I hardly ever recall seeing a post from you on the Trail Head branch.   :;):

But anyway, telling a fanatic that he is fanatic is just about as effective as telling the ayatollah that maybe he's too into religion.  Likely gets nowhere.   A pity.


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You can always count on fanatics on the one side constantly shrilling on about 'fanatics' on the other side.

If you are referring to me as an fanatic, how is giving specific detailed arguments with
supportive documentation that is consistent with what former Bush Speech writer David
Frum says about the current state of the Republican party?

I wouldn't worry about Ben, Dennis. Given that he believes a zygote is a "human life", he's in no position whatsoever to judge who's a "fanatic".

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Exactly Tom.

I not only remember his unwavering fanatical personhood position that was so extreme
that even conservative Mississippi voted down an attempt by the right to define life at the
point of conception but did you notice Ben reference to "ayatollah" above?

Now why would I bring that up? Well it involves an exchange between you and Ben.

Remember in the "Liberalism Gone Amok?" thread where Ben compared you to Ayatollah Khomeini
by posting your sig pic alongside a picture of Khomeini? If you don't remember look at post
115 here


and all you did is ask him to provide logic and facts when you said

And Ben responds with yet another conclusory assertion, entirely unsupported by fact or
logic.

If that's what you think, what's your basis for thinking it?  Are you disputing any of the
specifics of my characterization of it (and if so, on what basis)? What factual support is
there for your position?  What is the logic supporting it?

You haven't offered any of these things so far.  But hey, anything is possible, so maybe
eventually you will.

Edit: Also, because this question really is at the heart of the whole discussion: what do
you think the purpose of elections is?


So isn't ironic that just like in that thread you asked Ben to back up his assertion with
facts and a logical argument and then the next thing he does is to essentially accuse you
of being a fanatic by comparing you to Ayatollah Khomeini.


So surprise surprise Ben does the same thing here. I give multiple posts based on facts and
logic(that once again even David Frum essentially agrees with) and Ben can't refute it and
so not only resorts to the tactic so many right-wingers have used against me(when they can't
refute something I've said they then change the subject and make it about me, my posting
style or what forums I post on. What a tiresome tactic) but then uses the picture of an
ayatollah in this thread to paint me as an fanatic when in that past thread he compared you
directly to Ayatollah Khomeini just as a result of you asking him to substantiate his assertions.


So Ben's Mo

Present facts and logic then get called a fanatic and/or get compared to an ayatollah but
above all make sure to avoid substantive debate using logic and facts(but be sure to
demagogue the issue using such loaded language as "ayatollah") and if desperate enough
change the subject to the person and why they post more in one forum than another.


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You can always count on fanatics on the one side constantly shrilling on about 'fanatics' on the other side.

If you are referring to me as an fanatic, how is giving specific detailed arguments with
supportive documentation that is consistent with what former Bush Speech writer David
Frum says about the current state of the Republican party?

I wouldn't worry about Ben, Dennis. Given that he believes a zygote is a "human life", he's in no position whatsoever to judge who's a "fanatic".

The difference is that I don't just  post about a human fetus being a human life.  The topic doesn't consume my time as the anti-rightist rants consume Dennis'.

And recognizing our different views, Tom, whatever happened to the stuff you have written elsewhere about defending the right of people to voice their opinions -- even when they differ from yours?  :;):


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I give multiple posts based on facts and
logic(that once again even David Frum essentially agrees with) and Ben can't refute...

Dennis:

The fanatic in you causes you to repeatedly and completely miss my point!  Now, slow down, and read, before you start posting total tangents!!

I am not refuting what you wrote above.  Heck, sometimes, I actually agree with you (you know my disgust toward the arrogance of some of the conservatives, for example).  The problem isn't the facts.

Look at what I quoted from you.  The problem lies in the word multiple -- as in "anti right" is essentially all you ever post about!!  Really.  Life is too short and precious to be wasted posting repeatedly about the same stuff over and over and over agian.  :;):


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You did it again Ben

Why the need to change the subject Ben?

Like I said


Present facts and logic then get called a fanatic and/or get compared to an ayatollah but
above all make sure to avoid substantive debate using logic and facts(but be sure to
demagogue the issue using such loaded language as "ayatollah") and if desperate enough
change the subject to the person and why they post more in one forum than another.



This is the same tacit right-wing posters on here do. They can't contribute substantively
and so they try and derail the topic of the thread, like you're doing, and try to make it
about me, my posting style or why I don't post enough on this or that forum(gee you ever
make that accusation on anyone else? Oh there isn't any other poster who predominantly
posts on the political forum?)


So the fact you've decided to not contribute substantively to this thread and try and derail
it in a peronal matter and essentially accuse me of being a fanatic(like you did TOm) has
been duly noted.

Although at least you didn't compare me to Khomeini by posting his picture like you did Tom.
So I guess in that regard you've improved a little.


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and so what so what if my posts are usually anti-right. If you haven't noticed the right
isn't just the right its been say 30 or 40 years ago. Did you get my reference of David Frum?
Do you know who David Frum is? Is he a partisan lefty Democrat?

But who cares if I post almost all anti-right. There are posters here who post all anti-left
,those who post all-middle of the road(even those who aren't moderate but claim they are),
etc..

Do you ever make that an issue to them?
BTW, You understand that a moderate can be just as dogmatic as a someone who isn't a moderate
do you not? What if a poster always takes what is thought of as the moderate position? What
if a poster has an assortment of left, right & moderate views but never modifys those views
even if they fall in many different directions? Isn't that still dogmatic

You understand that you can still be a dogmatic fanatic and not be a Democratic and Republican
do you not?

Claiming you aren't a Democrat or Republican or that you are a moderate doesn't mean you
can't be a fanatic.

A post should be judged by the strength of their arguments they present not by what side of
the isle their posts wind up at.

So we could discuss the issue of the thread but I sense you don't want to talk about the
topic of the thread. I sense you would rather have a discussion on the politics of TPA
as if that is supposed to be a more substantive discussion that posting on the topic of
this thread?


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The hallmark of a fanatic:  will NOT change topic no matter what.  :D

I shouldn't have even tried.  Oh well... Dennis, carry on.  Otherwise, what else would you be talking about, eh?


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and true to form Ben does it again just like I said


Present facts and logic then get called a fanatic and/or get compared to an ayatollah but
above all make sure to avoid substantive debate using logic and facts(but be sure to
demagogue the issue using such loaded language as "ayatollah") and if desperate enough
change the subject to the person and why they post more in one forum than another.


Only a close-minded fanatic would call someone a fanatic for not bothering to discuss substantively
the issue of the OP and trying to derail the topic of the thread into petty personal direction

Only a close-minded fanatic would compare someone to Khomeini for simply asking them to substantiate
their claims

Ben look in the mirror


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Spoken like a true murderer.

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Ben, looks like you are inadvertently exposing these lefties for what they are....intolerant of anybody who doesn't support their extremism & ideology.

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I DO watch Fox a lot. I learned early that one mistake that managers can easily make is to surround themselves with "yes men", people who will only agree with him/her. I have seen a LOT of otherwise good managers make this easy to make mistake. We have all seen - and probably worked for - such managers and seen how they miss out. They are so common in the US.

So I welcome views that contrast with mine. I don't necessarily agree, but I am open to considering alternative views.

The starter post in this thread points out how so many people are convinced that Obama has raised taxes and goes on to point out more. David Frum(former Bush speech writer so he is no liberal) went on to say "Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," and that "The followers, the donors
and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces,"


Subsequent posts go on to point out how many incorrectly believe that the stimulus failed, etc.

We are bombarded by LIES and so many do not seem to want to take the effort to think it through or to check it out! Remember my previous posts of Hucklebee's advertisement that started out with, "Behind locked doors in the middle of the night Democrats passed Obamacare"? A LOT of people think that laws are made that way in the US now!

This forum is a great way to be exposed to alternative views. So is watching Fox sometimes I think.
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Spoken like a true murderer.

Spoken like a dangerous fanatic.

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I DO watch Fox a lot. I learned early that one mistake that managers can easily make is to surround themselves with "yes men", people who will only agree with him/her. I have seen a LOT of otherwise good managers make this easy to make mistake. We have all seen - and probably worked for - such managers and seen how they miss out. They are so common in the US.

So I welcome views that contrast with mine. I don't necessarily agree, but I am open to considering alternative views.

The starter post in this thread points out how so many people are convinced that Obama has raised taxes and goes on to point out more. David Frum(former Bush speech writer so he is no liberal) went on to say "Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," and that "The followers, the donors
and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces,"


Subsequent posts go on to point out how many incorrectly believe that the stimulus failed, etc.

We are bombarded by LIES and so many do not seem to want to take the effort to think it through or to check it out! Remember my previous posts of Hucklebee's advertisement that started out with, "Behind locked doors in the middle of the night Democrats passed Obamacare"? A LOT of people think that laws are made that way in the US now!

This forum is a great way to be exposed to alternative views. So is watching Fox sometimes I think.

Bass, I agree.

I said "A LOT" when I should have said "Primarily".  

Getting a balanced input, from different perspectives,  is healthy.  I, too, watch FOX sometimes (but not much...there are better sources, including this forum, for thoughtful conservative views).

But, using 1 source (left or right) as a Primary source indicates that one is looking for Confirmation, not Information.

Kinda like scouting a Football team by going to their Pep Rallies.  

Your balalnced reply indicates to me that you listen a lot, and take a healthy grain a salt with whatever you hear.


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he believes a zygote is a "human life", he's in no position whatsoever to judge who's a "fanatic".

Spoken like a true murderer.

Spoken like a dangerous fanatic.

Your labeling is intellectually lazy, and in this case, completely off base.

We have discussed this before, and it's always where you then just go silent.  How about confronting it for once?

You can google it again if you wish (I've linked this a number of times in the past already) -- but a majority of Americans are against "abortion at will" for women.

Why do you think the majority of Americans (and that would include both men and women obviously) want to put varying degrees of restrictions on women's access to abortion?  Is it because they just don't like women or want to make life difficult for women?  Or is it because they put some value on the fetus?

No, not all the above share my view that a fetus IS human life.  But again, we know that most Americans would be aghast if murdering a pregnant woman is treated as just one murder or one murder + property damage.

So, Tom, you DON'T need to agree with my views.  And you have every right to hope that more will see it your way eventually (as I wish the opposite).  But the labeling is counter productive.

And on the topic of labeling (not directed at you at all but making a general statement) -- two other popular labeling that I really disagree with:

-- labeling those against homosexuality as "homophobic".
-- labeling atheists as "sinners"


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he believes a zygote is a "human life", he's in no position whatsoever to judge who's a "fanatic".

Spoken like a true murderer.

Spoken like a dangerous fanatic.

Your labeling is intellectually lazy, and in this case, completely off base.

Labeling people "murderers" because one disagrees with their opinions is indisputably dangerous. Whether it also meets your chosen definition of a word ("fanatic") that you introduced into this conversation is not a question I find particularly interesting.

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-- labeling those against homosexuality as "homophobic".

Ermm...yeah. Okay.

A belief that homosexuality is "sinful" or "wrong" is by definition a homophobic belief. Describing a belief as homophobic is not the same as labeling a person who holds that belief "homophobic".


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I DO watch Fox a lot. I learned early that one mistake that managers can easily make is to surround themselves with "yes men", people who will only agree with him/her. I have seen a LOT of otherwise good managers make this easy to make mistake. We have all seen - and probably worked for - such managers and seen how they miss out. They are so common in the US.

So I welcome views that contrast with mine. I don't necessarily agree, but I am open to considering alternative views.

The starter post in this thread points out how so many people are convinced that Obama has raised taxes and goes on to point out more. David Frum(former Bush speech writer so he is no liberal) went on to say "Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," and that "The followers, the donors
and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces,"


Subsequent posts go on to point out how many incorrectly believe that the stimulus failed, etc.

and the example I posted yesterday(post 4) was yet another example where 49% of Republicans
polled thought Obama won because Acorn(which hasn't existed now for something like 3 years)
stole the election for Obama.

Now about specifically FOX

I also will occasionally watch Fox news to get a glimpse of how that world works. It can
actually be kind of fascinating to see how a Bubble works. Now granted anyone can live in a
self-imposed bubble but that is just it. So many of the FOX viewers and those who live in
the larger right-wing entertainment complex don't look outside that echo machine and one of
the reasons they don't is one of the central tenants of the right-wing entertainment complex
is that any source outside of the right-wing echo machine is by definition "liberally" biased
and therefore can't be trusted. Its beautiful little piece of Marketing strategy the
right-wing entertainment complex has used to dupe people into not leaving the right-wing
entertainment complex. Of course generally the way such a strategy can work is if you have
people dumb enough to fall for it.

Another interesting thing is the following from FOX's arch nemesis(and hence why FOX
spends considerable time trying to trash them) the progressive media watch group mediamatters
and specifically from ERIC BOEHLERT which concerns Tom Ricks recent short interview on
FOX(which I made a thread on some days back) in which he said on FOX that FOX operates as an
ARM of the GOP(more on that at the end)

As I mentioned on Current TV last night, Rick's necessary truth telling confirmed why Fox so
often relies on paid contributors to comment on the news, and specifically about the phony
White House "cover up" Fox has manufactured with regards to Benghazi. With in-house
contributors, virtually everyone is on the same page so there's very little need for debate.
(Some disagreements do slip through.) And that way wild Benghazi claims are free to flower.


http://mediamatters.org/blog....4


How much is Fox an arm of the GOP. Well here is another incredible example.


Roger Ailes, the longtime Republican media guru, founder of Fox News and its current
chairman, had some advice last year for then-Gen. David H. Petraeus.

So in spring 2011, Ailes asked a Fox News analyst headed to Afghanistan to pass on his
thoughts to Petraeus, who was then the commander of U.S. and coalition forces there.
Petraeus, Ailes advised, should turn down an expected offer from President Obama to become
CIA director and accept nothing less than the chairmanship of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the
top military post. If Obama did not offer the Joint Chiefs post, Petraeus should resign from
the military and run for president, Ailes suggested.


The Fox News chairman’s message was delivered to Petraeus by Kathleen T. McFarland, a Fox
News national security analyst and former national security and Pentagon aide in three
Republican administrations. She did so at the end of a 90-minute, unfiltered conversation
with Petraeus that touched on the general’s future, his relationship with the media and his
political aspirations — or lack thereof. The Washington Post has obtained a digital
recording from the meeting, which took place in Petraeus’s office in Kabul.

McFarland also said that Ailes — who had a decades-long career as a Republican political
consultant, advising Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — might resign as
head of Fox to run a Petraeus presidential campaign. At one point, McFarland and Petraeus
spoke about the possibility that Rupert Murdoch, the head of News Corp., which owns Fox
News, would “bankroll” the campaign.


“Rupert’s after me as well,” Petraeus told McFarland.

McFarland said she had spoken “directly” to the Fox News chairman and the “advice to you from
Roger Ailes is. . . . He says that if you’re offered [JCS] chairman, take it. If you’re
offered anything else, don’t take it; resign in six months and run for president.”



http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifesty....ry.html


So when Tom Ricks said on FOX that FOX is an arm of the GOP he said what many outside of the
right-wing entertainment complex have always understood but to say within the bubble so
devoted followers of FOX could here it from someone outside of the bubble, well that was
a thing of beauty to see and hear.


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Ben, looks like you are inadvertently exposing these lefties for what they are....intolerant of anybody who doesn't support their extremism & ideology.

^^ as Tom would say, Self-awareness fail

Damn. what a HUUUUUGE self-awareness fail


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Labeling people "murderers" because one disagrees with their opinions

Comprehension Fail.

You were called that because you fully support murdering of innocent life.


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I see DTM is still frothing at the mouth.

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