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Montanalonewolf 
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 1:10 pm |
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Just to be clear on what it means.
Secessionists are not guilty of the 1st definition and maybe not even of the 2nd since Obama is willfully violating the 3rd.
trea·son
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the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
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a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
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the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
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Land Rover
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 1:15 pm |
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I'm going to need some sort of translation from conservative into English please.
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dayhiker9
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 1:16 pm |
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Seems like a troll, for one we had a succession thread not too long ago, but I will play:
Legal definition.
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 1:18 pm |
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Just because the flow of traffic is over the speed limit does not mean each and every one of those cars is not speeding. Hence, even if your premise of the POTUS violating the 3rd definition were true, it would not absolve anyone who was violating the 2nd definition.
Of course, I do not see how Obama is violating the trust or confidence of the American people (who happened to have elected him for another term just last week, in case you missed it). It is certainly not a breech of trust or treachery.
I also do not believe any of those who are signing petitions to secede are committing treason. They are expressing their displeasure in the most ignorant way, since no thought has been given as to how secession would affect them all.
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 1:32 pm |
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MLW,
Please have the decency to factually articulate your statement about President Obama.
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 1:46 pm |
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#BitterMuch?
Finally saw those Senate results eh?
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cweston
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 1:50 pm |
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So much silliness.
To claim that people have committed treason by signing a petition is ridiculous.
To claim that Obama has committed "the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery," because he advocates policies that some people don't like is even more ridiculous.
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Lamebeaver
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 3:20 pm |
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Some of you might want to read this.
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Land Rover
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 4:50 pm |
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You know that no one is really calling for people to be prosecuted for treason and we're just having a laugh at the expense of some Losers right?
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Posted on: Nov. 15 2012, 5:33 pm |
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Why don't they just be honest and say outright what they mean? At least the confederates were honest about their bigotry
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 5:36 am |
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With all due respect DukeFan, most have, but there are some, perhaps many, that haven't. That isn't unique to the South. The KKK has a real presence, not only in the South but in the North and the West as well. Montana and Idaho have Nazi's.
Most of the poorest states voted for Romney, and I don't think that it was because they were worried about having their off shore bank accounts taxed. There are religious bigots and political reactionaries that voted in record numbers.
I understand the frustration of loosing an election, especially if you were so misinformed as to think that the President is a traitorous foreigner and muslim. That is where the dumbness starts. Thinking that there was no way that he could get reelected was also dumb and while it is a form of expression to sign a petition, the idea of secession is really dumb. Being and acting dumb, is not a crime even if it should be a misdemeanor.
My concern is for Conservatism, a valid school of American political thought, because it has been over run by extremists, know nothings (anti-intellectuals), and a popular form of entertainment that is mean spirited and completely careless with the truth.
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Montanalonewolf
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 8:05 am |
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QUOTE I don't think signing an online petition actually warrants an act of treason,
QUOTE To claim that people have committed treason by signing a petition is ridiculous.
At least 2 of you got part of the point but missed the rest of it. Which really isn't too surprising.
Claiming treason by a few citizens because they're signing an internet petition is just as ridiculous and absurd as saying Obama is because those same people don't like him.
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Ecocentric
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 8:26 am |
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I'm sure that you are making a salient point, but your written words fail to get your point across, at least to me.
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Montanalonewolf
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 9:04 am |
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Both claims are patently ridiculous.
No one is committing treason at this time, not even the whackjobs who are starting and signing secession petitions. They are merely exercising their right of peaceful protest, at least at this time. That will obviously change if they actively revolt.
Neither is Obama even if half the people in the country do believe him to "breaching faith" to the country.
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 12:34 pm |
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"maybe not even of the 2nd since..."
Yeah because that's actually logical?
Not really. "But he's doing something (vague and unspecified) bad TOO!!" isn't exactly a defense. Or at least not when you say it out loud.
Also "point" 2? The President of the United States is neither "sovereign" nor "state" and so::: FAIL. Though kudos for staying with the "President holds the leash to my beloved dollar" conservative theme.
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 12:55 pm |
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MLW,
Come on man. Tell us how you can facutally make the statement about the President that you did.
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 2:36 pm |
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So what do we do with all of these treasonous enemy combatants?
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Hungry Jack
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Nov. 16 2012, 3:06 pm)
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(Hungry Jack @ Nov. 16 2012, 11:36 am)
QUOTE So what do we do with all of these treasonous enemy combatants? "enemy combatants?"? The ones that aren't United States citizens (hence "enemy") and thus cannot commit treason against the United States? Ignore em and let their own country deal with their "treason". We have enough problems with these self-identified (with ZIPCODES!) domestic ones. Glad to help out. 
Maybe we could just run over the domestic enemies using our cars.
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 3:19 pm |
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I'd leave it up to FEMA, they need something to do between socializing hurricanes and earthquakes after all.
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High_Sierra_Fan
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(Hungry Jack @ Nov. 16 2012, 12:49 pm)
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Nov. 16 2012, 3:19 pm)
QUOTE I'd leave it up to FEMA, they need something to do between socializing hurricanes and earthquakes after all. Someone needs to clean up those messes.
If only the NFL would pull a NHL: then there'd be plenty of freed up space for the processing and storage: all those lovely big stadiums.
Could save the roofed ones for the secessionists with the "special" zipcodes, the plebes get Chicago.
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Posted on: Nov. 16 2012, 6:59 pm |
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TREASON
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