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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 6:24 pm |
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and cowardly. IMHO
"despite insistence by some GOP Senators that they would oppose her and prevent her nomination from coming to a vote."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world....hpid=z1
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 6:59 pm |
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(TehipiteTom @ Dec. 13 2012, 6:31 pm)
QUOTE Just to clarify: you aren't saying Susan Rice (or the President) is cowardly, are you? The McCain/Graham/Ayotte bunch who would have tried to prevent a vote are the cowardly ones...right?
Hmmmm. Seems to me that when there's a fight, and one side backs down while the other side does not, it's quite clear who desired to avoid the fight. If avoiding a fight is cowardly, then where the cowardice lies is clear. But I don't believe avoiding a fight necessarily means cowardice.
That being said, the Republican anti-Rice obsession is silly. She was a good soldier and did what she was told to do and used the data provided by her boss to do what he wanted done. If the data she used was faulty, blame her boss, not her. By all appearances Rice is a very capable individual and in my opinon considerably superior to the alternative, John Kerry.
And as an aside, McCain's anti-Rice obsession confirms why I could not vote for him. He makes a good gadfly Senator, but these obsessions are counter productive.
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 7:26 pm |
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After the lie she told for the president I don't think she deserves to be Sec. of State.
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 8:40 pm |
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Wasn't a lie so: wait for it,,,, fail.
In all that chaos only days later knowing anything definitively, demanding anything definitive, is juvenile delusion. And don't get me started on the hypocrisy of McCain and his butt kissing the liars of George "We know the location of chemical weapons" Bush.
That said: former Democratic Party candidate for president Kerry is the better fit for State as I see it. Rice is a wonk and State isn't a wonk slot.
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 9:48 pm |
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So the Party of NO manages to rob the administration of another star diplomat and spokesperson for America by manipulating some over careful classified information in her original public statement.
Way to go Republicans, keep as many women and African Americans and loyal Democrats alienated as possible. They weren't going to vote for you anyway.
I suspect that the real goal here is to get Kerry out of the Senate. He will do ok as SOS, but not as good as Rice. I hope the Dems stick them with a real firebrand from Massachusetts as Kerry's replacement. Maybe a young Kennedy who will be there forever??
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 10:13 pm |
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Also, arguably, one of the worst we've had. Depends on your viewpoint, and which part of his long career you are examining.
So, Obama was planning to nominate Rice because he thought Kerry was better??
Give me a break. Now they spin that he was better of course, but you have to be pretty gullible to buy that BS. Just putting the best face they can on bad situation, and cuddling up to the Senate so they approve Kerry by unanimous consent, IMO.
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 10:18 pm |
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(KenV @ Dec. 13 2012, 10:12 pm)
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QUOTE I suspect that the real goal here is to get Kerry out of the Senate. Really?! To what end? Is there a scintilla of doubt that Kerry will be replaced by another liberal democrat? So what's the point of getting him out of the Senate?
The concern is that Brown will run again and given his existing name recognition in the state he may have a good chance of winning.
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 10:26 pm |
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So what's the point of getting him out of the Senate?
What Land Rover said, plus they get rid of his voice in the Senate as senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and have two spanking new Senators from Massachusetts.
Kerry is also one of the reasonable, focussed people who works at compromises with various Republicans, and we can't have that.
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2012, 10:45 pm |
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(Land Rover @ Dec. 13 2012, 10:18 pm)
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QUOTE I suspect that the real goal here is to get Kerry out of the Senate. Really?! To what end? Is there a scintilla of doubt that Kerry will be replaced by another liberal democrat? So what's the point of getting him out of the Senate? The concern is that Brown will run again and given his existing name recognition in the state he may have a good chance of winning.
So getting rid of Kerry will improve Brown's chances of getting back into the Senate? He'll run against a no name instead of a well established name like Kerry? And he'll be running in an off cycle year where republicans typically do a little better?
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2012, 9:02 am |
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Dec. 13 2012, 3:55 pm)
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QUOTE Just to clarify: you aren't saying Susan Rice (or the President) is cowardly, are you? The McCain/Graham/Ayotte bunch who would have tried to prevent a vote are the cowardly ones...right? No the Republicans, in not allowing a vote on the nomination, are the cowards. Yeah the order in the title didn't make that clear did it?
That's what I figured. But yeah, there was a little ambiguity in the title.
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2012, 9:42 am |
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After Benghazi I think at least one head should roll at the state department...and I would prefer to see several....but that is not how government works
While I am no John Kerry fan, I would rather see the new Sec come from outside that dysfunctional organization
And it is funny to see the left complain whenever their old standard tactics are used against them
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2012, 2:00 pm |
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Hypocrisy much -- ye who decry -- while conveniently ignoring the same done by your fav party? 
It's why I have little respect for these sordid partisan fights.
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Dec. 14 2012, 11:54 am)
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QUOTE Hypocrisy much -- ye who decry -- while conveniently ignoring the same done by your fav party? It's why I have little respect for these sordid partisan fights. Unsubstantiated posturing much? Prove it?
Willfully blind much? Ask yourself the question -- the last sentence on my post #14.
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(KenV @ Dec. 13 2012, 10:45 pm)
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QUOTE I suspect that the real goal here is to get Kerry out of the Senate. Really?! To what end? Is there a scintilla of doubt that Kerry will be replaced by another liberal democrat? So what's the point of getting him out of the Senate? The concern is that Brown will run again and given his existing name recognition in the state he may have a good chance of winning. So getting rid of Kerry will improve Brown's chances of getting back into the Senate? He'll run against a no name instead of a well established name like Kerry? And he'll be running in an off cycle year where republicans typically do a little better?
That's one of the thoughts I've read on it. Not sure I buy it, but Brown got there in the first place under a similar set of circumstances.
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2012, 3:44 pm |
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(Ben2World @ Dec. 14 2012, 12:37 pm)
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QUOTE Hypocrisy much -- ye who decry -- while conveniently ignoring the same done by your fav party? It's why I have little respect for these sordid partisan fights. Unsubstantiated posturing much? Prove it?Blind much? Ask yourself the question -- the last sentence on my post #14.
Translation: Why NO I can't prove my vast over reaching statement so I'll just dodge. Careful, most soapboxes look awfully tippy.
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2012, 3:56 pm |
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HSF:
Both sides have used similar tactics for so long... I am NOT going to feed you examples -- not even to humor you. You may as well ask someone to prove that the sky is blue.
So, be as willfully blind as you like. Just reinforces the current reality that folks prefer pointing fingers at others than solving any real issues. No skin off my back. 
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2012, 4:02 pm |
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And you are asking me to point out something that is so patently obvious that it is insulting.
Yeah, go ahead, say it, the Democratic Party has NEVER EVER killed Republican nominations in committee -- or filibustered on the floor.
And now, the other side is 'cowardly'? Maybe, but whatever retarded emotions you hurl at the other side applies absolutely to your own.
When 'half the country' turns a blind eye to the faults of one party or the other -- instead of all of us holding our politicians accountable regardless of party affiliation -- then we are doomed to have the 'cowardly', dysfunctional government that we have. Shame.
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