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If you had to choose between having the right to walk around with assault weapons and 30 round clips or to have your children live in a safe,assault weapon-free environment,what would you choose?

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If you had to choose between having the right to walk around with assault weapons and 30 round clips or to have your children live in a safe,assault weapon-free environment,what would you choose?

Logical fallacy - false dichotomy.
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Violent video games or children?  Take your pick.

Readily available, competent mental health care or children?  Take your pick.

It ain't just a gun problem.


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if you point a video game at a cop will he shoot you?
Now if you point an ar15 do you have to ask?Really?
When was the last time you wacked some deer with a video game?

I dont know why gun advocates lose complete rationale and common sense when it comes to a lethal device.I see very twisted,bizarre explanations that are so desperately void of logic.


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if you point a video game at a cop will he shoot you?
Now if you point an ar15 do you have to ask?Really?
When was the last time you wacked some deer with a video game?

I dont know why gun advocates lose complete rationale and common sense when it comes to a lethal device.I see very twisted,bizarre explanations that are so desperately void of logic.

I'm surprised you used the word logic to present your case, because you are all about histrionics.  I don't detect much in the way of logic, or any ability to focus on anything but the gun side of the killing equation.

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if you point a video game at a cop will he shoot you?
Now if you point an ar15 do you have to ask?Really?
When was the last time you wacked some deer with a video game?

I dont know why gun advocates lose complete rationale and common sense when it comes to a lethal device.I see very twisted,bizarre explanations that are so desperately void of logic.

I'm surprised you used the word logic to present your case, because you are all about histrionics.  I don't detect much in the way of logic, or any ability to focus on anything but the gun side of the killing equation.

Ahem,you brought up the laughable video games as dangerous as guns analogy...
There is no compromise with gun advocates.If you restrict their clips to 6 rounds its the end of the world.Take away their bazookas,and they wont be able to fight off the omnipresent govt tyranny that theyve battled against exactly 0 times since the civil war.


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I dont know why gun advocates lose complete rationale and common sense when it comes to a lethal device.I see very twisted,bizarre explanations that are so desperately void of logic.

You're not one to make that kind of judgement since you're an irrational whackjob.

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Nice cartoon, Swims, it makes the point beautifully.

I hope we can keep attention focussed on these issues until some legislation gets passed.

Maybe start a campaign to amend State Constitutions banning semi auto weapons as a way to build support for a change in the 2nd Amendment, thus removing all doubt??


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How about choosing whether you let mentally unstable individuals run around Scot free, or let children live and get those people help.

Stop blaming the tool used to kill, and blame the Tool that used it.
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I dont know why gun advocates lose complete rationale and common sense when it comes to a lethal device.I see very twisted,bizarre explanations that are so desperately void of logic.

You're not one to make that kind of judgement since you're an irrational whackjob.

Any threat of taking away little boys guns brings out the crazy in them,dont it?Male PMS.

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How about choosing whether you let mentally unstable individuals run around Scot free, or let children live and get those people help.

Stop blaming the tool used to kill, and blame the Tool that used it.

The NRA and gun nuts advocate against any restrictions for mentally disturbed people in accessing weapons.Irrational,mindless,irresponsible.Represents the gun culture quite well though.

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I dont know why gun advocates lose complete rationale and common sense when it comes to a lethal device.I see very twisted,bizarre explanations that are so desperately void of logic.

You're not one to make that kind of judgement since you're an irrational whackjob.

Any threat of taking away little boys guns brings out the crazy in them,dont it?Male PMS.

Rants like you've been posting proves you're just as much a whackjob as the Sandy Hook shooter, albeit on the other side.

You want a rational discussion, try doing it without being an irrational, insulting fruitcake. Until then, go **** yourself.


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Far too true.

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Violent video games or children?  Take your pick.

Readily available, competent mental health care or children?  Take your pick.

It ain't just a gun problem.

+1, thanks for that.

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you're an irrational whackjob.[/quote]
Any threat of taking away little boys guns brings out the crazy in them,dont it?Male PMS.[/quote]
Rants like you've been posting proves you're just as much a whackjob as the Sandy Hook shooter, albeit on the other side.

You want a rational discussion, try doing it without being an irrational, insulting fruitcake. Until then, go **** yourself.

Oh, and your statements are rational?

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Nearly all these shootings were committed in gun free zones. Just in case you are advocating a gun ban. Chicago is experimenting with that currently. Not very favorable results!

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Nice cartoon, Swims, it makes the point beautifully.

I hope we can keep attention focussed on these issues until some legislation gets passed.

Maybe start a campaign to amend State Constitutions banning semi auto weapons as a way to build support for a change in the 2nd Amendment, thus removing all doubt??

Except that its false. Many a tyrant have been repelled by a law abiding citizen exercising his 2nd amendment right.

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How about choosing whether you let mentally unstable individuals run around Scot free, or let children live and get those people help.

Stop blaming the tool used to kill, and blame the Tool that used it.

Exactly. We use to have a lot of mental hospitals where these people were kept and treated, but the ACLU thought it a violation of their civil liberties so now they mill around until they snap and present us with scenarios such as Newtown.

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I dont know why gun advocates lose complete rationale and common sense when it comes to a lethal device.I see very twisted,bizarre explanations that are so desperately void of logic.

You're not one to make that kind of judgement since you're an irrational whackjob.

Any threat of taking away little boys guns brings out the crazy in them,dont it?Male PMS.

Rants like you've been posting proves you're just as much a whackjob as the Sandy Hook shooter, albeit on the other side.

You want a rational discussion, try doing it without being an irrational, insulting fruitcake. Until then, go **** yourself.

The Sandy Hook shooter killed 27 people including 20 children followed by killing himself.
If davela is just as  "just as much a whackjob as the Sandy Hook shooter" then he would be
just as infamous as the Sandy Hook shooter for committing just as evil and insane an act as
the Sandy Hook shooter but obviously Davela hasn't committed even close to an act.

So what is the point? Before talking about rational discussions and who is an irrational
fruitcake as opposed to who isn't why don't you first look in the mirror because no rational
person would say about Davela or anyone posting in this forum that they are "just as much a
whackjob as the Sandy Hook shooter"?

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How about choosing whether you let mentally unstable individuals run around Scot free, or let children live and get those people help.

Stop blaming the tool used to kill, and blame the Tool that used it.

That's being mentioned, maybe not enough but it's a part of the itinerary even for the vice president's project on violence which I see as a helpful sign.
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If you had to choose between having the right to walk around with assault weapons and 30 round clips or to have your children live in a safe,assault weapon-free environment,what would you choose?

Columbine happened during an assault weapons ban. And, the Bushmaster isn't on the assault weapons list.

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And, the Bushmaster isn't on the assault weapons list.

Which is exactly why the list needs to be revised with some common sense definitions and a lot less legalism from the gun lovers.

We could make it simple and get rid of all auto loading and semi auto guns, since they are not needed for hunting or for target practice.  

The definition certainly needs to be much broader than the '93 version, and has to include the Bushmaster and its brothers.

Once again, if the techies come up with a high tech safety feature that allows only you to fire your gun, would you be willing to apply it to all of your guns??


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We could make it simple and get rid of all auto loading and semi auto guns, since they are not needed for hunting or for target practice.  



Once again, if the techies come up with a high tech safety feature that allows only you to fire your gun, would you be willing to apply it to all of your guns??

We could make it simple and get rid of all auto loading and semi auto guns, since they are not needed for hunting or for target practice.  

So the 2nd Amendment was written to ensure hunting and target practice? That's news to me.

Once again, if the techies come up with a high tech safety feature that allows only you to fire your gun, would you be willing to apply it to all of your guns??

Depends. Would it run on something like Windows ?


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We could make it simple and get rid of all auto loading and semi auto guns, since they are not needed for hunting or for target practice.

That's not what the 2nd amendment is for.

How about defense. Defense from how many people? Riots? I've been in LA and Oakland during riots. If that was happening around my property I would want more than just a handgun.

From the US Supreme Court: "the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense."

Furthermore, the fact that a protected right is dangerous to society is no reason to abridge that right. In the same case (see the link above), the USSC stated:
The right to keep and bear arms, however, is not the only constitutional right that has controversial public  safety implications.  All of the constitutional provisions that impose restrictions on law enforcement and on the prosecution of crimes fall into the same category.  See, e.g., Hudson  v. Michigan, 547 U. S. 586, 591  (2006) (“The exclusionary rule generates ‘substantial social costs,’ United States v.  Leon, 468 U. S.  897, 907 (1984), which sometimes include setting the guilty free and the dangerous at large”); Barker v. Wingo, 407 U. S. 514, 522 (1972) (reflecting  on the serious consequences of dismissal for  a speedy trial violation, which means “a defendant who may be guilty of a serious crime will go free”);  Miranda  v.  Arizona, 384 U. S. 436, 517 (1966) (Harlan, J., dissenting);  id., at 542 (White, J., dissenting) (objecting that the Court’s rule “[i]n some unknown number of cases . . . will return a killer, a rapist or other criminal to the streets . . . to repeat his crime”); Mapp, 367 U. S., at 659.  Municipal
respondents cite no case in which we have refrained from holding that a provision of the Bill of Rights is binding on the States  on the ground that the right at issue has disputed public safety implications."

"Someone got hurt so we should take away or seriously abridge a right" is not the best argument when you think about what the Supreme Court pointed out - that lots of our rights are dangerous to society.


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Good job Yosemite girl.

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But Yosemite - we've been told time and time again that these weapons are no more deadly thank hand guns - yet you seem to insist that they are?

Who is right? How can we know who to listen to here. Are they no more deadly, or more deadly?

I'm beginning to suspect you guys make this stuff up as you go along.
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But again from the Scalia writing the majority verdict.

We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons"

It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.
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But Yosemite - we've been told time and time again that these weapons are no more deadly thank hand guns - yet you seem to insist that they are?

Who is right? How can we know who to listen to here. Are they no more deadly, or more deadly?

I'm beginning to suspect you guys make this stuff up as you go along.

I never said they weren't more dangerous - why would one even make that argument? Of course they are if they are shooting more rounds per minute right?

Now, if you take something that is what I'll call a "low level" assault weapon and compare it to a handgun with a speed loader, or other new technology, maybe not.

Despite my advocacy for the 2nd Amendment and my ability to use many firearms, I don't actually know all THAT much about various firearm specs. I'm sure if someone wanted to do the research they could figure out the round per minute of a handgun with speedloader versus what has recently been termed an "assault weapon." I don't know the answer to the specs question, but I'm not sure that it matters to me as far as regulation goes.

I really believe (and this is my belief, just my opinion) that these shooters could have done just as much killing as they did with a handgun versus what they used. Dead is dead, whether you were shot with a handgun or an "assault rifle."

While we're at it, I'd like a specific definition of what we are all considering an "assault rifle" here - just for clarity. Is it anything not a handgun? What?


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