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The nra president creep just gave a press conference and blames everything but guns and bullets for the carnage.
He has the audacity to say there are many deranged people around but he opposes any restrictions to these same people from buying guns.
He also claims natural disasters are a recipe for mass killings-wtf.
Wayne Lapierre looked like a totally lost,deranged creep at his own press conference.Epic fail.
Thankfully,he made himself and the nra look like douchebags and totally out of the loop.


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Nice name calling again Dave....

I agree with him totally.....so what does that make me?


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I certainly find some of your views creepy Gunslinger.
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The nra president creep just gave a press conference and blames everything but guns and bullets for the carnage.
He has the audacity to say there are many deranged people around but he opposes any restrictions to these same people from buying guns.
He also claims natural disasters are a recipe for mass killings-wtf.
Wayne Lapierre looked like a totally lost,deranged creep at his own press conference.Epic fail.
Thankfully,he made himself and the nra look like douchebags and totally out of the loop.

What do you expect? He's a cult leader. That's how they appeal to the faithful.
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And I'll add to that disturbing and sometimes racist. Whether that is reflective of you personally is really down for those who know you in person to decide.
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The NRA consists of a bunch of fruit cake wackos. Does anyone really care what they think? Oh yeah they give a bunch of money to republicans.
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And I'll add to that disturbing and sometimes racist. Whether that is reflective of you personally is really down for those who know you in person to decide.

Well, to be honest with you....I was reading the American Communist Party's platform on their web site last night.....

Seems like a lot of your views might line up with them pretty well.....and I'll admit, I find that disturbing as well....


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They have enough money to spend 4000 times more than the Brady Campaign so someone obviously cares. Mostly paranoid head cases from what I can see.
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And I'll add to that disturbing and sometimes racist. Whether that is reflective of you personally is really down for those who know you in person to decide.

Well, to be honest with you....I was reading the American Communist Party's platform on their web site last night.....

Seems like a lot of your views might line up with them pretty well.....and I'll admit, I find that disturbing as well....

Really? Which ones?
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Heck, I don't know why he'd think my views are disturbing or racist....you'll have to ask him....

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You're being dishonest again.
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And I'll add to that disturbing and sometimes racist. Whether that is reflective of you personally is really down for those who know you in person to decide.

Well, to be honest with you....I was reading the American Communist Party's platform on their web site last night.....

Seems like a lot of your views might line up with them pretty well.....and I'll admit, I find that disturbing as well....

Well that's probably due to a lack of education and the weird sources of information you use. I can't really account for that.

I mean you appear to have thought you could goad some libbies into name-calling you after the thread lockdowns. You get to show us who the real rude people are.

If you think you deserve respect than maybe spend more time explaining what you think and less time trying to catch out those evil libbies. You're not very good at it.
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Gunslinger's arguments from the founding father's clearly showed he had no idea what he was talking about and that he was being dishonest. Then the thread evaporated. And Gunslinger is the one guy who thinks it was a good decision.
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I think it's when I called for collectivization HG. Or was it my call for the the proletariat to revolt.
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Oh come on guys....you've both been name calling on the forum for a long time.  Talk about rude...

You did it again.....

Personally I don't think you liberals are evil and I think you have the best intentions.  The real problem with the left is they don't care how they get their way, lie, cheat, or steal......look at the health care bill....not one Republican vote.....not one.....what a shameful pathetic way to get something done.  Ram it down our throat and then expect us to like the way it taste.

Same way with this proposed ban, anyway you can get it done is fine by the left.  Use a tragedy to advance a political position....shameful again.  This time there is no super majority and a republican controlled house.  What ever is proposed, if it contains a ban, likely won't come to a vote.

So regroup and lets do the things we can agree on.   Don't waste the political capital.....you'll need it for your other socialist policies going forward.

By the way, I've never sent Steve a message about your rude insults, never....as I'm a firm believer in sticks and stones and what goes around comes around.  I put it out....and I can take it.

Steve's job is to moderate and he sure as hell doesn't need my help....although I'm surprised he doesn't do more of it.


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When NRA spokesmen talk I'm always reminded of Charleton Heston's remark in the wake of the Columbine tragedy that you can have his gun when you pry it from his cold dead hands, and in the wake of this latest tragedy I'm beginning to view that NRA slogan as a suggestion worth considering.

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When NRA spokesmen talk I'm always reminded of Charleton Heston's remark in the wake of the Columbine tragedy that you can have his gun when you pry it from his cold dead hands, and in the wake of this latest tragedy I'm beginning to view that NRA slogan as a suggestion worth considering.

So you're on the record that using violence against those whose political positions you oppose is "worth considering".

How enlightened.
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Oh come on guys....you've both been name calling on the forum for a long time.  Talk about rude...

You did it again.....

Personally I don't think you liberals are evil and I think you have the best intentions.  The real problem with the left is they don't care how they get their way, lie, cheat, or steal......look at the health care bill....not one Republican vote.....not one.....what a shameful pathetic way to get something done.  Ram it down our throat and then expect us to like the way it taste.

Same way with this proposed ban, anyway you can get it done is fine by the left.  Use a tragedy to advance a political position....shameful again.  This time there is no super majority and a republican controlled house.  What ever is proposed, if it contains a ban, likely won't come to a vote.

So regroup and lets do the things we can agree on.   Don't waste the political capital.....you'll need it for your other socialist policies going forward.

By the way, I've never sent Steve a message about your rude insults, never....as I'm a firm believer in sticks and stones and what goes around comes around.  I put it out....and I can take it.

Steve's job is to moderate and he sure as hell doesn't need my help....although I'm surprised he doesn't do more of it.

Actually I didn't. I said I found your views objectionable.

You base your entire existence here not really on being conservative, but anti liberal.

It's the entire focus of fox and talk radio, focusing not on the issues, but on what liberals are saying about issues.

It leads the people you "debate" with to have virtually no respect for the things you say.

But it's not just you - it's central to the entire American conservative movement which doesn't stand for anything other than attacking liberals.

If you expect reasoned debate to center around taking the most extreme positions available and calling everyone else socialist or communist then quite frankly you're not going to get much respect coming your way. I'd say you actually get more than you deserve given how you approach most things.
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When NRA spokesmen talk I'm always reminded of Charleton Heston's remark in the wake of the Columbine tragedy that you can have his gun when you pry it from his cold dead hands, and in the wake of this latest tragedy I'm beginning to view that NRA slogan as a suggestion worth considering.

So you're on the record that using violence against those whose political positions you oppose is "worth considering".

How enlightened.

Well guess what - when you contribute to the deaths of 20 kids then refuse to take accountability then you don't get that much respect in return Ken. The lives of one of those kids that died is worth more than the entire board of the NRA and a large proportion of its members.
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[quote=KenV,Dec. 21 2012, 1:59 pm][quote=Drift Woody,Dec. 21 2012, 1:46 pm]The lives of one of those kids that died is worth more than the entire board of the NRA and a large proportion of its members.

So now you want to play god and decide who's life is more valuable?


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[quote=KenV,Dec. 21 2012, 1:59 pm][quote=Drift Woody,Dec. 21 2012, 1:46 pm]The lives of one of those kids that died is worth more than the entire board of the NRA and a large proportion of its members.

So now you want to play god and decide who's life is more valuable?

Yep. The NRA has moved away roots and become nothing more than advocates for the gun manufacturers bringing death and violence to America.

There's no genuine sportsman out there who can justifiably support their stance on the issues any more.

It's quite amusing watching you trying to stake out the moral high ground while holding (not literally) an assault rifle and claiming you must have it.
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It was mentioned this morning (haven't factchecked it) that the majority of NRA members are hunters uninterested in the self defense weaponry that is the focus of the remainder of the membership: so perhaps there'll be an internal revolt?

Though I must say I've more sympathy to a personal security / self defense rational than for recreational hunting as a Constitutional context for firearm ownership.
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When NRA spokesmen talk I'm always reminded of Charleton Heston's remark in the wake of the Columbine tragedy that you can have his gun when you pry it from his cold dead hands, and in the wake of this latest tragedy I'm beginning to view that NRA slogan as a suggestion worth considering.

So you're on the record that using violence against those whose political positions you oppose is "worth considering".

How enlightened.

Nah, I'm on the record for directing some animosity at Lapierre and at the dangerous idiots who subscribe to the NRA's extremist political agenda, by turning their own words against them.

I was being intentionally provocative with my remark (see, I got a response pretty quick) to call out the gun nuts to see if their AR 15's are actually so precious to them that they'd rather die in a battle with federal agents than hand them over without a fight.

However, now that I think about it, this brings up some interesting questions; if a law was passed that not only banned the sale of assault rifles but also confiscated them (with monetary compensation), who here -- out of principle or any other reason -- would engage in armed resistance before complying with the law?

On the other side of the coin, who here would support legislation like that, possibly with the buy-back funded with a tax on guns & ammo -- is such a law politically feasible, perhaps if the R's are trounced in the next midterm elections?

If that law actually went into effect and federal agents went about enforcing the confiscation, would Chuck Heston's slogan prove to be mere bluster for the vast majority of rambo wannabe's?


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Two points:

1.  We use armed guards to guard important things like banks, airports, historical/cultural treasures, etc. Why not look after the most important thing, our kids, in like manner?

2.  I'm sick of the blame being placed on the "gun culture." It's not just guns; its the whole American violence culture--from violent video games, music, movies, literature. This violent culture is even celebrated as with so-called mommy porn with 50 Shades of Grey. Yep, BDSM is violence, yet women loved it and embraced it.  Don't make the so-called gun culture the only scapegoat.


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Lets talk more about guns and less about the real problem.

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Guns are part of the real problem Kyle - unless you're back in the little pretend world again.
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Guns are part of the real problem Kyle - unless you're back in the little pretend world again.

Yes, they're part of the real problem, but larger societal issues need to be addressed too.

Unfortunately, in the knee-jerk response that will follow this tragedy, only bandaids (gun control) will be used again to cover the gaping sore that ails our society.


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Two points:

1.  We use armed guards to guard important things like banks, airports, historical/cultural treasures, etc. Why not look after the most important thing, our kids, in like manner?

2.  I'm sick of the blame being placed on the "gun culture." It's not just guns; its the whole American violence culture--from violent video games, music, movies, literature. This violent culture is even celebrated as with so-called mommy porn with 50 Shades of Grey. Yep, BDSM is violence, yet women loved it and embraced it.  Don't make the so-called gun culture the only scapegoat.

Because of the increased risk to the safety of the children attending the school. Because We can take steps to stop the next spree killing being quite as deadly.

Yes - how dare we highlight the ultimate symbol of death and violence as being at least particular responsible for a "culture of violence".

I wonder if Bushmaster will come out with a "Kiddie Killer" collection now, with pictures of cartoon characters on it. Maybe a Barbie edition.

I mean they come in colors already right - I've seen pink ones?

Just how blind to you have to be to not recognize that 300-odd million guns in society might contribute to a "violent society".

I'm sorry, but what the heck are you smoking there?
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Mo - ok, I was a bit sharp there - but the gun culture is CENTRAL to our culture of violence - not incidental.

And this really isn't a knee-jerk response. People have been saying these things for a long long time and the first assault weapons ban dates back to 1994. Because the work of the NRA has managed to block meaningful change doesn't make a renewed call in the wake of an especially brutal killing of young children a "knee jerk" response.
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Land Rover, no need for the sarcasm and insults. I'm not saying they are not part of the problem-they clearly are--but they're not the only part of it.  Can you not recognize that either?

Concerning point number 1:  What would the price be of not providing armed protection for our children?  It would still be our children lives 5, 10, 20 at a time since no one would be around to defend them against an armed attacker.

ETA: It's OK, Land Rover. I forgive you.  I don't agree that gun culture is CENTRAL just as it is not incidental.  It is a facet of our American ethos. Rather, it's only a symptom of the cultural sickness that plagues us.  And knee-jerk or not gun control will distract us from the larger issues which will remain unchanged.


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