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Wow!Looks like some heads are  gonna roll at nra or a mass membership exodus.That was a spectularly catastrophic/idiotic news conference.



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Sorry.  Wishful thinking.  There are reasonable folk in the NRA who realize the threat that wacko's like LaPierre present to America (and the NRA).

But, for each one of them, there are at least 2 wacko's who are signing up as we speak.

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Wonder if the NRA will now support the idea that firefighters should be armed?

http://www.cnn.com/2012....t=hp_t1

Or maybe we should have armed guards posted at the scene of every house fire.
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LaPierre makes sense.  Look at the fine print at the bottom right of the Daily News cover.  What's so "nutty" about the idea of good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns.  That's what cops do, isn't it?

The NRA will just grow stronger if the media refuses to focus on the real reasons why people commit mass murder.

Not unrelated, if you understand moral decline, how many unborn children have been killed since Roe v. Wade?  No guns there.


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What's so nutty about it is that the world isn't that black and white. "Bad guys" and "good guys" are not easily defined. Adam Lanza was by definition a good guy the day before he killed anyone.

Moral decline...give me a break. The world is no less moral now than at any time in history. But there's a certain nutty faction who wants to assist murderers in their crimes by making sure they have the "tools" at their disposal to commit their crimes most efficiently.
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Not unrelated, if you understand moral decline, how many unborn children have been killed since Roe v. Wade?  No guns there.

Which just happens to be the single most effective public policy in stopping murders today.

Just think if we had many millions of additional, unwanted children who were now anti-social young men with easy access to the many shooter guns of today.  

We could be having a mass killing every day instead of just every week or two.


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What's so nutty about it is that the world isn't that black and white. "Bad guys" and "good guys" are not easily defined. Adam Lanza was by definition a good guy the day before he killed anyone.

Moral decline...give me a break. The world is no less moral now than at any time in history. But there's a certain nutty faction who wants to assist murderers in their crimes by making sure they have the "tools" at their disposal to commit their crimes most efficiently.

Fact check - If this is the case, that we are not in moral decline as a country, why are more of these massacres happening?

It is not the availability of certain types of firearms.

There have been civilian semi automatic firearms for at least 100 years;  prior to 1934 an American could buy a fully automatic Thompson submachine gun or Browning Automatic Rifle at the local hardware store.

Americans have always been able to own semi-automatic versions of the standard military rifle.   That is appropriate for government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Arguably there are more gun laws (state, local and federal) now than there have ever been in this country, yet these attacks plague us.

Re the New York Post and New York Daily News.  Many of the urban areas outside of the South and interior West have a cultural bias agaonst private ownership of firearms that I think cuts across the Left - Right political spectrum.  

This oftern changes if a resident of one of these places is the victim of violent crime or threats.  Remember Diane Feinstein was able to get a concealed carry permit and carried a firearm when her husband received death threats (I guess the politically connected get such things in San Francisco when mere citizens do not).

Why do some urban conservative not favor firearm rights - I think it comes down to a far lesser degree of self-reliance on their part.  The old Hank Williams Jr song "Country Boys Can Survive"  captures this difference well.

I imagine most of the NRA's membership lives in "Free America" not Boston, New York, DC, LA or San Francisco.  Such attacks as in these papers if anything will probably increase member donations.

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Fact check - If this is the case, that we are not in moral decline as a country, why are more of these massacres happening?

Crimes aren't any more prevalent now. Lifespans are at historic highs.  But when you look at similar crimes over time, there are more victims at each event due to the fact that they have easier access to more effective tools, in large part due to the gun lobby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks
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Not unrelated, if you understand moral decline, how many unborn children have been killed since Roe v. Wade?  No guns there.

Which just happens to be the single most effective public policy in stopping murders today.

Just think if we had many millions of additional, unwanted children who were now anti-social young men with easy access to the many shooter guns of today.  

We could be having a mass killing every day instead of just every week or two.

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Imagine how big  the urban(black,latino/gangs) population would be if not for abortion?OMG. :O The Koch bros and GOP should be funding a clinic on every urban street corner instead of using voter id laws to repress the urban vote.


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Easier access to more effective tools, in large part due to the gun lobby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks

What is your evidence for this?

Is it easier to access an AR-15 rifle today than in 1980?

If you read my last post you would see that U.S. legal access to semi-automatic or full automatic firearms as far as the law goes has beome increasing more restrictive.
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The right direction, but moving glacially slow.

Gotta make guns safer, quicker.


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 That's what cops do, isn't it?

Actually, in the overwhelming majority of cases the cops do just what they did at Sandy Hook

Arrive after all the shooting is over

Notice how little coverage this is getting

http://www.therightscoop.com/another....officer

Because it does not fit the narrative....this is a case of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun

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Right, 8000 new members a day.....

You might want to remember what happened after the last ban.  The Republicans took the house and Senate.

There are several "at risk" senate democrats in the next election that are in pro-gun states.

It's a hard sell with lots of political capital required.  Ain't going to happen.


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Right, 8000 new members a day.....

and they're laughing all the way to the bank
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Easier access to more effective tools, in large part due to the gun lobby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks

What is your evidence for this?

Is it easier to access an AR-15 rifle today than in 1980?

If you read my last post you would see that U.S. legal access to semi-automatic or full automatic firearms as far as the law goes has beome increasing more restrictive.

Click the link.
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Right, 8000 new members a day.....

You might want to remember what happened after the last ban.  The Republicans took the house and Senate.

There are several "at risk" senate democrats in the next election that are in pro-gun states.

It's a hard sell with lots of political capital required.  Ain't going to happen.

But you've been telling to wait until 2012 for the last few years. You mean it's 2014 now?

I'm beginning to think you are not the world's greatest judge of this sort of thing gunslinger?
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"Bad guys" and "good guys" are not easily defined.

I'll break it down for you.

A bad guy is someone who starts shooting at innocent kids.

A good guy is someone who has the means and ability to take out the bad guy ASAP.

Unfortunately, there were no good guys in Newtown.


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Does anyone else find this little hero fantasy playing out amongst the little boys and their guns a little disturbing?
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Easier access to more effective tools, in large part due to the gun lobby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks

What is your evidence for this?

Is it easier to access an AR-15 rifle today than in 1980?

If you read my last post you would see that U.S. legal access to semi-automatic or full automatic firearms as far as the law goes has beome increasing more restrictive.

Click the link.

Clicked the link.  What in there supports your contention that there is easier access to weapons today than before we had the plethora of gun control laws we have today?
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It's also amusing that they see themselves as part of some sort of silent majority rather than how the rest of the world sees them - a wacko minority with a disturbing obsession with guns.
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It's also amusing that they see themselves as part of some sort of silent majority rather than how the rest of the world sees them - a wacko minority with a disturbing obsession with guns.

ironically, it has been perpetuated by "liberal hollywood"  with pro-gun garbage like dirty harry,john wayne,rambo etc.


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"Bad guys" and "good guys" are not easily defined.

I'll break it down for you.

A bad guy is someone who starts shooting at innocent kids.

A good guy is someone who has the means and ability to take out the bad guy ASAP.

Unfortunately, there were no good guys in Newtown.

You're not the brightest bulb on the tree are you?

Using your definition, Lanza was a good guy the day before he killed anyone.

Using a normal person's definition, he was not. But then again, a normal person would not say something as disgusting as, "there were no good guys in Newtown."
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Some of them spend too much time on the Xbox, methinks.
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Easier access to more effective tools, in large part due to the gun lobby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks

What is your evidence for this?

Is it easier to access an AR-15 rifle today than in 1980?

If you read my last post you would see that U.S. legal access to semi-automatic or full automatic firearms as far as the law goes has beome increasing more restrictive.

Click the link.

Clicked the link.  What in there supports your contention that there is easier access to weapons today than before we had the plethora of gun control laws we have today?

How old are you?
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It's also amusing that they see themselves as part of some sort of silent majority rather than how the rest of the world sees them - a wacko minority with a disturbing obsession with guns.

Jerry Falwell popularized the term "silent majority." They've never been the majority and they sure as hell have never been silent.
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Does anyone else find this little hero fantasy playing out amongst the little boys and their guns a little disturbing?

Some of them spend too much time on the Xbox, methinks.

You people are missing the whole point.  Adam L. was the Xbox guy, and no, I don't carry a gun around.  Fantasize away.

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It's also amusing that they see themselves as part of some sort of silent majority rather than how the rest of the world sees them - a wacko minority with a disturbing obsession with guns.

Jerry Falwell popularized the term "silent majority." They've never been the majority and they sure as hell have never been silent.

It was coined by Nixon.I dont know if falwell used it,i knowJF used 'moral majority'.

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Easier access to more effective tools, in large part due to the gun lobby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks

What is your evidence for this?

Is it easier to access an AR-15 rifle today than in 1980?

If you read my last post you would see that U.S. legal access to semi-automatic or full automatic firearms as far as the law goes has beome increasing more restrictive.

Click the link.

Clicked the link.  What in there supports your contention that there is easier access to weapons today than before we had the plethora of gun control laws we have today?

How old are you?

Huh?

We have easier legal access to weapons today than prior to 1934 when the average American could walk into a hardware store and purchase a Thompson submachine gun no questions asked?
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