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Posted on: Dec. 29 2012, 7:15 pm |
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At a discussion last night, a friend of mine - a strong gun advocate - insisted that Lanza did not use a semi-automatic rifle in his killing spree in Newtown. That's contrary to my impression. Can someone clear this up for me or point me to a definitive source on the issure?
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2012, 7:20 pm |
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He seems to be getting his information from the depths of the pro gun camp on the Internet. They are not really interested in honesty. Just trying to throw enough crap about on the Internet to create enough doubt for nothing to be done.
Editor of red state. Hardly a liberal source, confirmed here.
http://www.redstate.com/2012....r-ar-15
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2012, 7:21 pm |
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He's wrong. The Bushmaster AR15 is a semi-automatic.
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2012, 7:22 pm |
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The comment section is highly amusing in a freak show sort of way though.
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2012, 9:22 pm |
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well, i suppose it's good you want to know exactly the type of weapon the little monster used. personally, since newtown i've learned so much more about ar15's and their use, plus the five-seven semi automatic pistol used in the ft. hood shooting. the five-seven i guess is an ultra lightweight bullet that creates chaos in the body as it tumbles (by design) through its trajectory. also has 1/3 recoil of a 9mm..... this allows for much more accurate shooting.
didn't know any of this before newtown.
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2012, 10:36 pm |
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(hikerjer @ Dec. 29 2012, 10:24 pm)
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QUOTE He's wrong. The Bushmaster AR15 is a semi-automatic. My friend maintains that while Lanza had a Bushmaster AR15 with him, he didn't actually use it in the shootings? Comments?
The link I posted covers it. It's would appear to be part of the cloud of lies being out out by the gun lobby that they want to blame on the mainstream media.
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Posted on: Dec. 29 2012, 10:47 pm |
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All evidence being reported by investigators indicate the primary weapon used in the majority of deaths was the AR15.
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(hikerjer @ Dec. 29 2012, 10:24 pm)
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QUOTE He's wrong. The Bushmaster AR15 is a semi-automatic. My friend maintains that while Lanza had a Bushmaster AR15 with him, he didn't actually use it in the shootings? Comments?
Your friend read, and believed the early reports
The early reporting said the Bushmaster was left in his car
In reality a shotgun was left in his car
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2012, 10:53 am |
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(BillBab @ Dec. 30 2012, 10:36 am)
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QUOTE He's wrong. The Bushmaster AR15 is a semi-automatic. My friend maintains that while Lanza had a Bushmaster AR15 with him, he didn't actually use it in the shootings? Comments? Your friend read, and believed the early reports The early reporting said the Bushmaster was left in his car In reality a shotgun was left in his car
The media has been all over the place on this and thus the confusion.
I guess what amazes me is why it matters......
The 9-11 terrorist didn't need a firearm and killed thousands......
No firearm used at the Federal building in Oklahoma City either.
Blame the firearm if it makes you feel better, but realize, a ban is just that.....something to make the liberals feel better and a poke in the eye for those of us who love liberty.
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2012, 11:17 am |
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(gunslinger @ Dec. 30 2012, 10:53 am)
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QUOTE He's wrong. The Bushmaster AR15 is a semi-automatic. My friend maintains that while Lanza had a Bushmaster AR15 with him, he didn't actually use it in the shootings? Comments? Your friend read, and believed the early reports The early reporting said the Bushmaster was left in his car In reality a shotgun was left in his car The media has been all over the place on this and thus the confusion. I guess what amazes me is why it matters...... The 9-11 terrorist didn't need a firearm and killed thousands...... No firearm used at the Federal building in Oklahoma City either. Blame the firearm if it makes you feel better, but realize, a ban is just that.....something to make the liberals feel better and a poke in the eye for those of us who love liberty.
Using exceptions to the rule to make the rule is lunacy.
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2012, 11:26 am |
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(gunslinger @ Dec. 30 2012, 10:53 am)
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QUOTE He's wrong. The Bushmaster AR15 is a semi-automatic. My friend maintains that while Lanza had a Bushmaster AR15 with him, he didn't actually use it in the shootings? Comments? Your friend read, and believed the early reports The early reporting said the Bushmaster was left in his car In reality a shotgun was left in his car The media has been all over the place on this and thus the confusion. I guess what amazes me is why it matters...... The 9-11 terrorist didn't need a firearm and killed thousands...... No firearm used at the Federal building in Oklahoma City either. Blame the firearm if it makes you feel better, but realize, a ban is just that.....something to make the liberals feel better and a poke in the eye for those of us who love liberty.
Really... Because such a thing as bombs exist all firearms should be ok....
Do you actually ever think about the things you are saying before your fingers hit the keys?
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2012, 7:05 pm |
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Do you not realize a ban won't stop these types of evil?
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(HighGravity @ Dec. 30 2012, 7:08 pm)
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QUOTE Do you not realize a ban won't stop these types of evil? So in this Lanza case, do you think he would have done the same damage with a knife? The kid was a wimp. He chose a wimp's method of attack. Since OK City, large purchases of fertilizer are now monitored. Why not do the same for firearms?
I bought a ton with no paperwork.......just saying....
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Posted on: Dec. 30 2012, 7:38 pm |
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That's what the smell is.
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(gunslinger @ Dec. 30 2012, 7:32 pm)
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QUOTE Do you not realize a ban won't stop these types of evil? So in this Lanza case, do you think he would have done the same damage with a knife? The kid was a wimp. He chose a wimp's method of attack. Since OK City, large purchases of fertilizer are now monitored. Why not do the same for firearms? I bought a ton with no paperwork.......just saying....
I'm sure you were already on the radar.
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Posted on: Dec. 31 2012, 8:03 am |
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You're the one that made the claim.
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Do you not realize a ban won't stop these types of evil?
Yes, I do realize that sensible bans of semi auto weapons, and large capacity magazines, and bullets designed primarily for human killing will not "stop" mass killings absolutely, but I also know that it will greatly diminish them, just like sensible safety features do for all kinds of tools.
Look at what has happened elsewhere:
The ‘more guns, less crime’ argument is utter nonsense. Britain, after Dunblane, introduced some of the toughest gun laws in Europe, and we average just 35 gun murders a year.
Japan, which has the toughest gun control in the world, had just TWO in 2006 and averages fewer than 20 a year. In Australia, they’ve not had a mass shooting since stringent new laws were brought in after 35 people were murdered in the country’s worst-ever mass shooting in Tasmania in 1996. Fewer guns equals less gun murder. This is not a ‘pinko liberal’ hypothesis. It’s a simple fact.
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(HighGravity @ Dec. 31 2012, 11:40 am)
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QUOTE You're the one that made the claim. Are you claiming that the Department of Homeland Security does not monitor large sales of fertilizer? I suggest you go buy a couple barrels of ammonium nitrate and let us know how that works out for you. Why should it be okay to monitor sales of fertilizer but not firearms?
I'm telling you I put almost 2000 pounds of ammonium nitrate on my pasture. You can still buy it at the hardware store or Farmers co-op no paperwork.
Now, try again please.
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Then you're in violation of the law. http://articles.latimes.com/2011....0110803
Slinger why do you have no problem with fertilizer being regulated and monitored but you do have a problem guns being regulated?
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What part of proposed don't you understand? Did you even read the link?
"Under the proposed regulations, anyone who buys, sells or transfers 25 pounds of the chemical must apply to register with the department."
You really need to get out more. Why don't you stop at a hardware store and see if they still sell it.
People do use the stuff or other than bomb making you know? Funny thing about it.....makes crops grow....and lawns...and pastures.....
Now, try again.....
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Why do you keep diverting? That article is several years old. The regulations are now in place.
So again I ask, Slinger why do you have no problem with fertilizer being regulated and monitored but you do have a problem guns being regulated?
Looking forward to your next diversion.
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Isn't the instant background check monitoring the sale?
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Here's a different but related question.
How long did the shootings take? I mean from the first shot fired to the last shot fired (reportedly to kill himself), how much time elapsed?
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(KenV @ Jan. 02 2013, 8:40 am)
QUOTE Here's a different but related question.
How long did the shootings take? I mean from the first shot fired to the last shot fired (reportedly to kill himself), how much time elapsed?
This is not an expert opinion, but I have read that the first policeman to respond was at the school in 10 minutes, and that upon seeing the officer, Mr. Lanza ducked back into a classroom and dispatched himself.
It is my understanding that there were two main areas of shooting, the front office, where the principal and several school staff members lost their lives, and a classroom. Since most of the victims were shot multiple times, with some time elapsed to move from one area to another, as well as time to reload, which had to be done a few times, murdering almost three people a minute would seem to indicate that the late Mr. Lanza was busy indeed.
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