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@JenGranholm: New Congress. Old ridiculousness MT @MicheleBachmann I introduced the first bill of the 113th Congress to repeal Obamacare in its entirety
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I liked this tweet, from the Public Policy Polling official Twitter account: ""Ok y'all we're testing Congress' popularity against 23 other things this weekend. They include root canals, Ebola, meth labs, and Nickelback".

Or as Ezra Klein points out, there's less support for Congress (10%) than for turning the US communist (11%).


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I thought that the first bill introduced was Elenor Holmes Norton's usual bill to give DC Voting Rights.  

Everyone wants change, but we keep re-electing the same people to propose the same ideas.


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The idiocy has been going on for.... well.... ever since the Gang of 2 took over. Why are you only noticing it now?

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I thought that the first bill introduced was Elenor Holmes Norton's usual bill to give DC Voting Rights.  

Everyone wants change, but we keep re-electing the same people to propose the same ideas.

You need to change the system. Changing the people and squeezing them into the same system with the same motivating factors and constraints is going to yield the same results.

They all get onto the money train as soon at they begin, especially in the house - now you have the hard-liners needing to appeal to extremists to make sure they don't get primaried.

That situation is still going to exist if we change the people out.
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Leadership failure are the two words that sum it all up.  

Who failed?  Executive, Senate, House, Judiciary and the Electorate.

Failed when?  Then and Now and for the forseeable.

How serious?  The most trusted element of the Government is now the military.

Wow.

Nope, sure doesn't look salvageable from here.

End of Empire.  Fugly game at best.  Probably shouldn't have built the damn thing in the first place.

HYOH.

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I thought that the first bill introduced was Elenor Holmes Norton's usual bill to give DC Voting Rights.  

Everyone wants change, but we keep re-electing the same people to propose the same ideas.

You need to change the system. Changing the people and squeezing them into the same system with the same motivating factors and constraints is going to yield the same results.

They all get onto the money train as soon at they begin, especially in the house - now you have the hard-liners needing to appeal to extremists to make sure they don't get primaried.

That situation is still going to exist if we change the people out.

I couldn't agree more.  For me, I see term limits as a good start.

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I thought that the first bill introduced was Elenor Holmes Norton's usual bill to give DC Voting Rights.  

Everyone wants change, but we keep re-electing the same people to propose the same ideas.

You need to change the system. Changing the people and squeezing them into the same system with the same motivating factors and constraints is going to yield the same results.

They all get onto the money train as soon at they begin, especially in the house - now you have the hard-liners needing to appeal to extremists to make sure they don't get primaried.

That situation is still going to exist if we change the people out.

I couldn't agree more.  For me, I see term limits as a good start.

I'm surprised congressional term limits hasn't gained more interest, if not traction.

Most citizens are like me...a little lazy, which is why I've really not done much research.  But, I'm finally starting to do so.  

Probably the greaest threat to our nation  is our growing disgust with Washington.

Here's a link to a site that is obviously biased toward limits:

 http://www.tenurecorrupts.com/arguments.html


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One of the main problems is the lines drawn for congressional districts.  They have been gerrymandered so much by both parties, that in so many districts there is no chance of any candidate other than that of the sitting party ever getting elected.  Thus, the same type of politician gets elected time and time again.  Even if we had term limits, I doubt that would change.  You might have a different person in, but they would have the same political policy.  And I seiously doubt that Congress is ever going to change the redistricting policy at their own expense.

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One of the main problems is the lines drawn for congressional districts.  They have been gerrymandered so much by both parties, that in so many districts there is no chance of any candidate other than that of the sitting party ever getting elected.  Thus, the same type of politician gets elected time and time again.  Even if we had term limits, I doubt that would change.  You might have a different person in, but they would have the same political policy.  And I seiously doubt that Congress is ever going to change the redistricting policy at their own expense.

Also a very true statement.  Everyone agrees that everyone else's Congresscritter is the problem.  The virtually locked in districts mean that little will change.

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Term limits won't do a damn thing to fix the problem, and IMO could make matters worse. The problem is that getting elected requires raising large sums of money, and for House members running every 2 years this means they spend more time raising funds and campaigning than learning the nuts & bolts of good government. They are more beholden to the monied interests that finance their campaigns than the citizens they ostensibly represent.

I want my representatives in Congress to be public servants who have have a thorough understanding of governmental functions and how to do the most good for the least cost. Term limits would discourage individuals who have the aptitude for and want to make a career out of public service. Not many people who aren't wealthy will put their heart & soul into a career that is mandated to expire just when they're getting good at their job.

With term limits we'd have a constant influx of rookies less knowledgable & skilled at serving the people. More likely we'd get politicians serving their own interests and looking for lucrative offers from the special interests they served during their brief tenure in Congress.

We need to disconnect our representatives from deep pocket special interests, eliminate gerrymandered districts, establish a more universal & secure system for voting, and perhaps introduce instant runoff which would allow people to vote for the 3rd party they like without helping the major party they dislike.

Term limits accomplishes none of that. It's of the mindset that we need to get rid of the current crop of politicians, but the new crop would be no better (and maybe even worse) if we don't reform the system itself.


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+1, and then some more.

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The idiocy has been going on for.... well.... ever since the Gang of 2 took over. Why are you only noticing it now?

It's a new term so noting the rapidity seemed appropriate.

Plus, well, Bachmann's an idiot.

ETA: Term limits? We HAVE term limits, they're called elections.

For the House they occur every 2 years for all of them.

The Gerrymandered districts are the issue: look at how the Senate, where they have to answer to a more general electorate, isn't quite the bunch of wackjobs the House is. Not that the Senate's rules don't create other issues...
There are states, such as California with it's commission, that are doing something about that as it's a state responsibility to redistrict in response to each national census not the federal Congress.
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Leadership failure are the two words that sum it all up.  

Who failed?  Executive, Senate, House, Judiciary and the Electorate.

Failed when?  Then and Now and for the forseeable.

How serious?  The most trusted element of the Government is now the military.

Wow.

Nope, sure doesn't look salvageable from here.

End of Empire.  Fugly game at best.  Probably shouldn't have built the damn thing in the first place.

HYOH.

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Why failed?  Apathetic citizenry.  And also unthinking citizenry.

You know, the old, tiresome and woefully unproductive fight about "my party is better than your party and don't anyone tell me that both party suck because mine suck less and it's why even though I say I don't like partisan fights, I want to make sure my party wins this partisan fight...........".


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Welcome to politics in a democratic republic.

Messy, but it sure has worked good, in spite of all the doom and gloomers, starting  with Adams in 1796.  Worked better than anything else in human history, and continues to do so.  Happy New Year!

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.  

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