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This is the kind of lowlife that make up the GOP elections these days. Fail to force their extremist ideas down America's throat so they continue to work to fix the elections.

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The final results from the November election were completed Friday, and they show that Democratic candidates for the House outpolled Republicans nationwide by nearly 1.4 million votes and more than a full percentage point — a greater margin than the preliminary figures showed in November

Morally bankrupt ideology.
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even if Democrats were to win the popular vote by a whopping nine percentage points — a political advantage that can’t possibly be maintained year after year — they would have a tenuous eight-seat majority.
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Gerrymandering is one of those practices in which the refrain "both sides do it"  actually applies (the Democrat-controlled state legislature in Illinois certainly engages in it).

It may be that Republicans have gerrymandered to greater effect recently, but I don't see incumbent Congressmen from either party clamoring to end the practice. The fact is, gerrymandering protects the seats of incumbents when their party controls the state legislature.

Aside from gerrymandering, another factor in Dems winning fewer seats with more total votes is the concentration of Democratic voters in densely populated urban areas. Even if congressional districts were logically drawn to keep the borders geographically proximal, we could still see a disproportionate ratio between number of seats and total votes per party.

Bottom line is, neither party can lay claim to a higher principle on gerrymandering. When a party controlling a state legislature pushes through an amendment to the state constitution mandating impartially drawn congressional districts, then that party can legitimately lay claim to the higher ground.

Killing the gerrymander is IMO one of the most needed political reforms.


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When looking at overall figures like that one, I try to keep in mind that not all districts have the same population.  Try as they might, when a state has x districts, most of those districts are equal, or nearly so.  But when compared to another state's district, there are imperfections.  Wyoming has only 1 Representative, so that district has a smaller number of voters than , say, 1 in Ca.  Rural states, where the vast majority of R representatives come from, have fewer voters per district than urban ones.

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Gerrymandering is one of those practices in which the refrain "both sides do it"  actually applies (the Democrat-controlled state legislature in Illinois certainly engages in it).

It may be that Republicans have gerrymandered to greater effect recently, but I don't see incumbent Congressmen from either party clamoring to end the practice. The fact is, gerrymandering protects the seats of incumbents when their party controls the state legislature.

Aside from gerrymandering, another factor in Dems winning fewer seats with more total votes is the concentration of Democratic voters in densely populated urban areas. Even if congressional districts were logically drawn to keep the borders geographically proximal, we could still see a disproportionate ratio between number of seats and total votes per party.

Bottom line is, neither party can lay claim to a higher principle on gerrymandering. When a party controlling a state legislature pushes through an amendment to the state constitution mandating impartially drawn congressional districts, then that party can legitimately lay claim to the higher ground.

Killing the gerrymander is IMO one of the most needed political reforms.

Well an independent electoral commission on a federal level with a rock-solid methodology would seen to be the way to progress.

Also if you are seeing urbanization take place, the boundary changes need to reflect that.
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Its bad, but not as bad as it looks.

While a non-partisan, science based electoral commission would be a great thing, and would largely correct the situation, the demographic wave is going to undo much of the tightly defined gerrymandering, IMO.

As the young and the non-white take over the Republican grand plan will fall apart.


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Its bad, but not as bad as it looks.

While a non-partisan, science based electoral commission would be a great thing, and would largely correct the situation, the demographic wave is going to undo much of the tightly defined gerrymandering, IMO.

As the young and the non-white take over the Republican grand plan will fall apart.

Hopefully that will be the case and they'll actually work out that their ideas are fundamentally wrong and change their policies.

They'll be no breathe holding though.
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