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BackpackHNTR 
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 12:36 pm |
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[FLASH=400,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBbLeqZbPA[/FLASH]
Dianne Feinstein is a complete hypocrite. She doesn't want you have weapons for protection, but she has a CCW permit, and carries.
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 12:42 pm |
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She's opposed to assault weapons, not you owning weapons for your protection. Don't you people ever think for yourselves?
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 1:26 pm |
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Here is a great example of young mother who did everything right, and six shot revolver was plenty for personal protection. No need for a many shooter, and no need to confront the bad guy until she was forced to after taking all steps to make her kids and herself safe, and to have LEO on the way.
When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work.
“Get the kids and hide,” he told his wife.
As he dialed 911, his 37-year-old spouse, who works from home, collected the children and hid with them in a crawlspace adjoining her office. By that time, the intruder had forced his way into the three-story residence on Henderson Ridge Drive with a crowbar, authorities said. He allegedly rummaged through the home, eventually working his way up to the attic office.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman’s narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld.
The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater was still conscious.
“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.
Slater, unaware that she had emptied her chamber, obliged as the mother and her children ran to a neighbor’s house.
http://www.ajc.com/news....GR
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HighGravity
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 1:34 pm |
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(BackpackHNTR @ Jan. 06 2013, 12:58 pm)
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(HighGravity @ Jan. 06 2013, 10:42 am)
QUOTE She's opposed to assault weapons, not you owning weapons for your protection. Don't you people ever think for yourselves? Those weapons are one in the same. Your right about people not thinking for themselves though.
No they're not. Look up the fallacy of composition and let us know if you need it explained to you.
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 2:04 pm |
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(wwwest @ Jan. 06 2013, 1:26 pm)
QUOTE Here is a great example of young mother who did everything right, and six shot revolver was plenty for personal protection. No need for a many shooter, and no need to confront the bad guy until she was forced to after taking all steps to make her kids and herself safe, and to have LEO on the way. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work.
“Get the kids and hide,” he told his wife.
As he dialed 911, his 37-year-old spouse, who works from home, collected the children and hid with them in a crawlspace adjoining her office. By that time, the intruder had forced his way into the three-story residence on Henderson Ridge Drive with a crowbar, authorities said. He allegedly rummaged through the home, eventually working his way up to the attic office.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman’s narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld.
The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater was still conscious.
“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.
Slater, unaware that she had emptied her chamber, obliged as the mother and her children ran to a neighbor’s house.
http://www.ajc.com/news....GR
In this case a revolver was adequate.
Now, what about an angry mob intent on looting?
A semiautomatic rifle and high capacity magazine would be a good choice....and thus the popularity of the device.
The democrats are trying to ban one of the most popular rifles sold in america today, one that does have a legitimate role to play in self defense.
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 7:13 pm |
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(HighGravity @ Jan. 06 2013, 11:34 am)
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QUOTE She's opposed to assault weapons, not you owning weapons for your protection. Don't you people ever think for yourselves? Those weapons are one in the same. Your right about people not thinking for themselves though. No they're not. Look up the fallacy of composition and let us know if you need it explained to you.
I have a 9mm with a 15 round mag. It would be on her list. It's just a pistol. Not black nor mean looking.
You telling me is funny.
As gunslinger stated, the .223 in the AR platform is the most popular rifle in today's market. It's the rifle of choice for the latest generations of men and woman.
That's because in today's society, their first indoctrination to a firearm is in the military, not at home by family and friends. So they are most comfortable with this style of weapon. I don't own one BTW.
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 7:53 pm |
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These militias are going to be real brain trusts aren't they. America safe in their hands.
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BackpackHNTR
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 8:07 pm |
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Maybe this picture will be easier for you to comprehend. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
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HighGravity
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(BackpackHNTR @ Jan. 06 2013, 7:13 pm)
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QUOTE She's opposed to assault weapons, not you owning weapons for your protection. Don't you people ever think for yourselves? Those weapons are one in the same. Your right about people not thinking for themselves though. No they're not. Look up the fallacy of composition and let us know if you need it explained to you. I have a 9mm with a 15 round mag. It would be on her list. It's just a pistol. Not black nor mean looking.
So what? There are many other options. Banning assault weapons is the not the same as banning weapons. Surely you're bright enough to comprehend this.
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 8:19 pm |
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What part of that picture are you having a problem with?
That both rifles are the same, but in different categories with respect to the "AWB".
You following me bud?
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 8:24 pm |
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I'm going to type really slowly so you don't get lost. Ready? Breathe deeply.
People aren't opposed to the AR-15 because of what it looks like. We're opposed because of what it is used for. Get it or do I need to pull out my crayon font?
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2013, 10:12 pm |
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So both weapons have the same capacity for firing rounds then? One certainly looks like it can hold a much larger number of rounds than the other. For that graphic to work you would have to change that 
If they are TRULY the same gun then WHY do you freak out that one would we would like to stop people from having? If it is EXACTLY the same why can you not get the one that people don't want to ban and call it good?
I mean I just fail to see the issue here. Either both guns are exactly the same, so when 1 gets banned you buy the other and you are very happy.
OR they actually DO have some differences in which case it is best to not have the one around.
In either case why such a fit? You keep telling us that such a ban will do nothing. So then you should have no problem letting the stupid liberals put the ban in place, buy the non scary looking identical gun and laugh at the liberals stupidity.
Seems like a pretty simple issue really.
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2013, 8:22 am |
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gunslinger
QUOTE In this case a revolver was adequate.
Only one home invader and it took six bullets to neutralize the threat. What if there had been two? Or more likely, what if there had been a carload?
Why didn't she dial 911 first?
It looks to me like the gun gave her a false sense of security. Had she NOT had the gun, she probably would have run from the home invader to start out with, and called 911 at the neighbor's house.
Had ALL guns been confiscated, as in other countries, the police would probably have arrived and arrested the home invader. The home invader would not have been shot unnecessarily.
Now the injured home invader will probably sue the woman and win a large settlement which will garnish her, and her husband's, wages for the rest of their lives. Without the false security of the gun, at worst she might have been caught by the home invader and raped. But now she and her family, like most who use a gun in such situations, will have to pay huge legal fees and then pay outrageous court ordered settlements for the rest of their lives to the injured home invader.
That is the problem with claiming that Americans need guns for self-defense. The claim just doesn't hold up in reality.
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2013, 11:31 am |
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Bass she was three stories up she wouldn't have been running anywhere with the two broken legs, at best, had she gone out the window. I doubt her children would have survived the fall at all.
911 was called. This was one of those instances where, with a multistory house, there was no safe avenue of retreat especially from some one possibly already within the ground floor.
That the intruder had the time to rummage through three floors of the house before the police arrived is unacceptable, that's one hell of a slow response for a home invasion with a woman and children at risk in my opinion.
In hindsight her first mistake was not answering the door: odds are huge he thought he was burglarizing an unoccupied house after he repeately rang the doorbell rather obviously checking to see if there was anyone home.
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2013, 12:09 pm |
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Backpachhnter, thanks for making the point so strongly that all semi autos need to be banned, what they look like is not significant, the rate of fire and the ability to accomadate large capacity magazines is what we need to remove from the hands of the mass killer, in every instance that we possibly can.
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2013, 12:39 pm |
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Yeah, it's true, when you live in the sticks it takes a long time to get emergency response.
Last time we needed an ambulance here it took almost one hour to arrive.
On the other hand we would have seen any stranger approaching from a half mile away, and the two big dogs would partially devour anyone who tried to come in the house uninvited, if he even made it to the house.
Just act squirrley and they go all postal. Had a guy who was afraid of dogs walking on the road, and they stopped him about 500 yards from the house. Had to call on his cell phone for rescue!!
I feel super safe in the sticks, but we have decided to never even bother to call the ambulance if someone needs quick medical attention. Just get them in the Suburban, and go.
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2013, 2:02 pm |
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On average, 30-40% more people are killed each year with blunt objects than with rifles (included the dreaded "assault rifle"). This is according to data from a little known organization called the FBI.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews....n-rifle
Also, according to another little known agency (CDC) twice as many people die from falls than from homicide.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
Clearly, the issue isn't safety. If it was there would be twice the focus on fall prevention and the banning of blunt objects. 
Why do people feel the need to own 30 rounds magazines? The same reason people feel the need to own a 400hp sports car. Should we ban assault cars? People don't need to drive at 130mph. All it does is kill people. 
Bottom line is it is up to ME what I own and why and no one else. Lets not forget Columbine happened smack dab in the middle of an Assault Weapons & Extended Magazine Ban.
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2013, 2:46 pm |
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Same 'ol same 'ol.
Gun nuts just can't distinguish between real distinctions and irrelevant ones.
The American public is going to demand control of many shooters, we can either do it sensibly, or be forced into draconian limits. You know, like cigarette smoking, health care insurance for everyone, and gay marriage.
You can scream and yell, but you can't stop the tide.
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Jan. 07 2013, 9:20 am)
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QUOTE That the intruder had the time to rummage through three floors of the house before the police arrived is unacceptable, that's one hell of a slow response for a home invasion with a woman and children at risk in my opinion. Depends on how rural the area is. There are places around here that would take an awful long time for police to respond. Hence, why a lot of those families have weapons for home defense.
Good point.
My dad had a sprinkler system installed in his last house for a similar reason.
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I am not a fan of the paramilitary style rifles. I don't own one and I personally can't relate to the mentality of those who either own one or wish to own one.
But, lets get real here, the statistical significance of their use in gun crimes is incredibly minor. Proposing legislation to ban them is truly meaningless. I am not suggesting in any way that lives taken with them are meaningless or irrelevant. I am not trusting that some here will have the intelligence to make the distinction between the points I am illustrating.
Ban AR's, Ban high capacity magazines, I could care less! Let's not pretend though that it is going to make a difference.
The 1994 to 2004 ban demonstrated that there was statistically no conclusive difference.
By far the vast majority of murders occur in inner cities. They occur with hand guns. The majority of which are illegally obtained. The vast majority of these murders are young men killing other young men.
Ban AR's, ban high capacity magazines? Why not acknowledge the irrelevance of our prior 10 year experience and devote our energy in a more meaningful direction?
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