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Looks like Binge drinking woman face as high a death rate as all deaths by firearms.  

Given the facts that most firearm deaths are attributed to gang, and drug violence. Binge drinking is more wide spread and is showing up in all social and economic levels in woman.  .

If the liberal protectionists believe firearms should be banned or severally limited then we    should also limit or ban woman from drinking.
Looks like Binge drinking woman face as high a death rate as all deaths by firearms.  

Given the facts that most firearm deaths are attributed to gang, and drug violence. Binge drinking is showing up in all social and economic levels in woman.  .

If the liberal protectionists believe firearms should be banned or severally limited then we should also limit or ban woman from drinking.

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Who is this binge drinking woman you speak of?  I want to meet her.

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Looks like Binge drinking woman face as high a death rate as all deaths by firearms.  

Given the facts that most firearm deaths are attributed to gang, and drug violence. Binge drinking is more wide spread and is showing up in all social and economic levels in woman.  .

If the liberal protectionists believe firearms should be banned or severally limited then we    should also limit or ban woman from drinking.
Looks like Binge drinking woman face as high a death rate as all deaths by firearms.  

Given the facts that most firearm deaths are attributed to gang, and drug violence. Binge drinking is showing up in all social and economic levels in woman.  .

If the liberal protectionists believe firearms should be banned or severally limited then we should also limit or ban woman from drinking.

http://www.reuters.com/article....News%29

Sounds like a problem. Should we do something about it or just ignore it like a gun nut would do?
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Do you honestly think you are doing anything else than making yourself look like an idiot HNTR?
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Do you honestly think you are doing anything else than making yourself look like an idiot HNTR?

I see what your doing there, wow, you got me.

Ignoring facts is not only hypocritical in your anti weapon argument, but well, in your own words being an idiot.


If you feel the facts are idiotic then why reply?

Can you dispute what I posted?

Binge drinking must not be as scary for you as evil guns.

It's just as deadly, maybe even more so.

So if you socialists are going to save us from ourselves, lets not stop with weaponry. Everything needs to be on the table. NO?
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Well, it appears the OP was doing a little drinking himself.  First, I noticed the use of "woman" in each instance where "women" would be better suited.  OP also managed to repeat the entire 4 sentences before providing a link.  I would prefer to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, either drinking was involved, or a severe case of dumbass.  

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" I would prefer to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, either drinking was involved, or a severe case of dumbass.   "
Do you have the ad over there for  Taco ?
Should we have the hard or the soft ?
The kid comes up with a solution " ¿por qué no los dos?"


But remember, the OP probably does have a gun...
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Do you honestly think you are doing anything else than making yourself look like an idiot HNTR?

I see what your doing there, wow, you got me.

Ignoring facts is not only hypocritical in your anti weapon argument, but well, in your own words being an idiot.


If you feel the facts are idiotic then why reply?

Can you dispute what I posted?

Binge drinking must not be as scary for you as evil guns.

It's just as deadly, maybe even more so.

So if you socialists are going to save us from ourselves, lets not stop with weaponry. Everything needs to be on the table. NO?

BINGO!

That's the problem with bans and prohibition.  

It becomes much easier to pass another ban.

There are already many restrictions on firearms but there will never be enough.

The streets of Hell will be paved with the best of intentions.


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Well, it appears the OP was doing a little drinking himself.  First, I noticed the use of "woman" in each instance where "women" would be better suited.  OP also managed to repeat the entire 4 sentences before providing a link.  I would prefer to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, either drinking was involved, or a severe case of dumbass.  

By his second or third post, I assumed english was not his first language.
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Do you honestly think you are doing anything else than making yourself look like an idiot HNTR?

I see what your doing there, wow, you got me.

Ignoring facts is not only hypocritical in your anti weapon argument, but well, in your own words being an idiot.


If you feel the facts are idiotic then why reply?

Can you dispute what I posted?

Binge drinking must not be as scary for you as evil guns.

It's just as deadly, maybe even more so.

So if you socialists are going to save us from ourselves, lets not stop with weaponry. Everything needs to be on the table. NO?

BINGO!

That's the problem with bans and prohibition.  

It becomes much easier to pass another ban.

There are already many restrictions on firearms but there will never be enough.

The streets of Hell will be paved with the best of intentions.

Slippery slope arguments are rarely a rational response to anything. Turn off the cartoons and join the real world.
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People have died from drinking too much water too.  The repeated comparison of firearms to various other topics really does nothing to address the issue and has little relevance.

There are many problems we face as a society.  The difference is, firearms were designed with one thing in mind - killing.  Something designed specifically for killing should be regulated.  End of story.
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Check the forum at drunkard.com.  Plenty of them over there.
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People have died from drinking too much water too.  The repeated comparison of firearms to various other topics really does nothing to address the issue and has little relevance.

There are many problems we face as a society.  The difference is, firearms were designed with one thing in mind - killing.  Something designed specifically for killing should be regulated.  End of story.

That's a completly assinine statement.

I would think that anything that kills at a higher rate than a weapon should need restraints, control, ASAP. What's the difference? Dead is dead.

Without weaponry, other attempts that will take away our rights, in the name of protecting us (for our own good) will be easier to do.

You can't support one without supporting the other unless of course your a hypocritie.

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Well, it appears the OP was doing a little drinking himself.  First, I noticed the use of "woman" in each instance where "women" would be better suited.  OP also managed to repeat the entire 4 sentences before providing a link.  I would prefer to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, either drinking was involved, or a severe case of dumbass.


If pointing out my use of woman, vs. women is all you've got to add, I'd say my post was done quit well. You’re special. Waiting for your next antagonistic response will keep me glued to the computer. Not!
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Don't get your panties in a wad there amigo.  Asinine is comparing apples to oranges and somehow thinking it makes sense.

I've never suggested nor do I believe we should eliminate access to all firearms.  Alcohol is regulated, automobiles are regulated, prescription drugs are regulated, firearms are also regulated.  The question is how much regulation is acceptable to our society as a whole, not how much a gun-lover feels is acceptable, or how much an anti-gun person feels is acceptable.  Kicking, screaming and making threats of 1776 is not going anywhere with reasonable Americans.  

Change will happen, if not now, then in the not too distant future.  It would be best for the gun-enthusiasts to accept that reality and try to minimize the impacts rather than throwing tantrums like Alex Jones just did on national TV.
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Don't get your panties in a wad there amigo.  Asinine is comparing apples to oranges and somehow thinking it makes sense.

I've never suggested nor do I believe we should eliminate access to all firearms.  Alcohol is regulated, automobiles are regulated, prescription drugs are regulated, firearms are also regulated.  The question is how much regulation is acceptable to our society as a whole, not how much a gun-lover feels is acceptable, or how much an anti-gun person feels is acceptable.  Kicking, screaming and making threats of 1776 is not going anywhere with reasonable Americans.  

Change will happen, if not now, then in the not too distant future.  It would be best for the gun-enthusiasts to accept that reality and try to minimize the impacts rather than throwing tantrums like Alex Jones just did on national TV.

The difference between those other things and weapons, is the Constitution. Those other things aren't guaranteed. Weapons are!

Many of (US) do realize that guns will have some sort of controls. Talking reasonably about them with foaming at the mouth anti gun nuts is similar to the situation in Washington where the grid lock on both sides rules the day.

Might as well be talking to the wall. Their more concerned with grammar lessons than actually making sense.
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Might as well be talking to the wall.

Like Piers Morgan was trying to do.
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Might as well be talking to the wall.

Like Piers Morgan was trying to do.

Glad you brought that up!

Piers gets schooled by ex Marine talking gun control.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs....py-medi
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Might as well be talking to the wall.

Like Piers Morgan was trying to do.

Glad you brought that up!

Piers gets schooled by ex Marine talking gun control.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs....py-medi

My point was, if you're focusing on "foaming at the mouth anti gun nuts" your missing half of the problem.
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True, but they respond the most.

I totally agree that something needs to be done. Disarming the law abiding citizen is not the answer.
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Like Piers Morgan was trying to do.

Glad you brought that up!

Piers gets schooled by ex Marine talking gun control.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs....py-medi

I wouldn't exactly call that "getting schooled".  More like a beligerent gun supporter, showing his emotional connection to his gun by not letting the INTERVIEWER get a word in edgewise, so that a civil discussion could be had on the topic.  Hmmm...that sounds like a really familiar story.

Also, it wasn't just your use of woman vs women.  The adverb form of severe is "severely" not severally.  :;):

ETA: Also, the OP is really a non-argument (similar to the Piers Morgan interview) because the majority of the folks having the gun discussion are not asking for a complete ban, or even a "severally" limiting regulation.  Simply trying to discuss how to protect the most vulnerable in society.


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Another grammar policeman. You know there's a large percentage of people that refuse to engage on forums of any kind out of fear that they don't spell good enough, or they don't use proper grammar, and are afraid the ultra elite grammar police will criticize them.

Get off your ridiculous high horse's and just engage in the discussion. This site wasn't just for the elite writers guild of America.

My expertise was never in English. It doesn't mean I haven't got anything to say. Pretty good in Math though.

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How much you want to bet that minor woman die at a higher rate from binge drinking that firearms!

Any takers. So tell me again why this isn't relevant?
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Get off your ridiculous high horse's and just engage in the discussion. This site wasn't just for the elite writers guild of America.

I did, you just didn't address it.

Statement: "Piers getting schooled by ex-Marine"

My Response: "I wouldn't exactly call that 'getting schooled'.  More like a beligerent gun supporter, showing his emotional connection to his gun by not letting the INTERVIEWER get a word in edgewise, so that a civil discussion could be had on the topic.  Hmmm...that sounds like a really familiar story."

Statement: Your first post

My response: "Also, the OP is really a non-argument (similar to the Piers Morgan interview) because the majority of the folks having the gun discussion are not asking for a complete ban, or even a "severally" limiting regulation.  Simply trying to discuss how to protect the most vulnerable in society."


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How much you want to bet that minor woman die at a higher rate from binge drinking that firearms!

Any takers. So tell me again why this isn't relevant?

It's not relevant for the following reasons:

1) We're trying to discuss responsible gun regulations, not bans, and not severely limiting regulations.  It's going to happen whether you like it or not, the majority of US (even if it is a small majority) agree with stepping regulations up.  So you have two choices, either be a part of the relevant conversation and have your voice heard (see: guns, not alcohol), or just keep screaming while covering your ears.

2) Is binge drinking not an important issue to me and all these other "liberals"?  Of course it is, and if you'd like to have a SEPARATE, and relevant conversation on the issue of further regulating the use and consumption of alcohol - I'm all for it.  But, as the history of this forum and discussion around the country have proven - bringing up alcohol or cars or hammers does NOTHING to advance meaningful conversations surrounding the need to do something about our culture of gun violence.

3) Homicides and accidental deaths are inevitable since the beginning of time, animals and humans alike experience these unfortunate situations.  So arguing that one particular cause has a higher death rate is a moot point.  Nobody is looking to win the enviable award of most deadly cause.  We're looking to have a meaningful conversation on how to prevent, or at the least REDUCE the number of these events.  Each cause deserves its own conversation (alcohol, cars, and even hammers if you so desire), but that doesn't absolve you of the fact that the proliferation of gun use and the ease of availability of ammo and a wide variety of guns causes deaths.  

Bottom line: each cause of high rates of deaths deserve their own conversation.  This conversation is about guns however, so talking about any other "cause" is simply a distraction. Get over the distractions...

ETA: The parsing of "underage women" just makes this even more a case of apples and oranges.  Certain causes of death affect one race/sex more than others.  That's like saying sickle-cell anemia doesn't really affect the majority of Americans (since it tends to show up in African-Americans who are a minority population) so we shouldn't further the research to prevent the causes of sickle-cell anemia.  Just because one kills more than another, doesn't mean we should ignore a cause that might be able to be avoided (or at least reduced occurances).


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We've heard the costs of drink driving discussed - and we appear to be doing what we can to reduce the problem - with some apparent success.



What we didn't do was put a bottle of Jim Beam and a set of keys in every classroom.
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Don't get your panties in a wad there amigo.  Asinine is comparing apples to oranges and somehow thinking it makes sense.

I've never suggested nor do I believe we should eliminate access to all firearms.  Alcohol is regulated, automobiles are regulated, prescription drugs are regulated, firearms are also regulated.  The question is how much regulation is acceptable to our society as a whole, not how much a gun-lover feels is acceptable, or how much an anti-gun person feels is acceptable.  Kicking, screaming and making threats of 1776 is not going anywhere with reasonable Americans.  

Change will happen, if not now, then in the not too distant future.  It would be best for the gun-enthusiasts to accept that reality and try to minimize the impacts rather than throwing tantrums like Alex Jones just did on national TV.

If you want to talk about prohibition round 2, the let's, shall we?

First, alcohol is only "regulated" in the loosest sense of the word - there is an age limit. And that's it.

My mom drank herself to death. So did my husband's uncle. I know many that have been killed by drunk driving. In fact, I only know 2 people that have been killed by a gun, and both of them would have been killed whether guns existed or not. Totally anecdotal evidence, of course, but in my life the ratio of alcohol deaths to gun deaths has alcohol winning by a LOT.

When I called and asked the local liquor store (only one for miles, only one mom could access) to stop selling her alcohol because she was either going to kill herself or someone else, they outright refused. (What happened to "we reserve the right to refuse service..."?) Sold her right to her death. Do I blame them? No. I blame them about as much as I blame gun shops / manufactures for gun violence.

Then again, drinking alcohol isn't a Constitutional Right is it? Certainly not a First Amendment-like right.

Just looking for numbers, US gun deaths were at 31,328 in 2010.

The CDC reports the number of deaths related to alcohol abuse in the US each year at 80,000!

That difference is pretty staggering. I think so, anyway - because theoretically alcohol related deaths of innocent bystanders (which I think is what we are concerned about with gun deaths, right? Suicide prevention is a different discussion, I think, and a different research project...) are much, much harder to prevent. People don't intentionally set out to kill someone by drinking. Not so with guns.

There were 592 accidental deaths involving firearms in 2008 (I don't see more current data, but I would guess it is relatively the same). I think probably almost ALL of the alcohol related deaths were accidental.

So is it really apples to oranges - other than the fact that one is a constitutional right and one is not? Why is alcohol so loosely regulated when it kills FAR more people than firearms?

Take California for example - magazines are limited to 10 rounds, "assault rifles" have to have what's called a "California Button" - but would this have prevented any of the shootings that has everyone up in arms? (Pun not really intended, but I'm leaving it in anyway.) I don't think it would have. Most of these firearms were acquired legally. Some of them wouldn't even be subject to the bans/restrictions proposed.

So I ask again. In California, we already require a complete background check with fingerprints, a waiting period, a written test for "handguns," and registration. There is also a list of things which make long guns CA compliant - like if you have an adjustable stock you have to have a CA button, etc.

At the very least, maybe we should think about background checks for alcohol. If you have a DUI, we're not selling you anymore. It's not a right, so how about that?

If the federal gov. wants to adopt CA regulations, that's fine, but I think CA has gone far enough. What more can you do that CA hasn't already done?


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YG, most people on this site use Alcohol, so it doesn't scare them. Many don't have weapons, have never been around one, and have been taught to be scared of them.

I guarantee you that if all the anti gun people were educated and taught how to use weapons properly, many would  then own some, or at least tolerate them. Most importantly look at them in a new light.

There are bigger fish to fry than firearms concerning deaths. None as scary though, if you don't understand them.
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