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The following is a rough, but essentially accurate translation of a statement made a few thousand years ago.

The times they are a changing and things are going to get difficult.  Pawn your coat and buy a sword.

How do you think this applies in today's world?
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The following is a rough, but essentially accurate translation of a statement made a few thousand years ago.

The times they are a changing and things are going to get difficult.  Pawn your coat and buy a sword.

How do you think this applies in today's world?

A rough but accurate translation? Doesn't that apply to like every bible out here? Maybe the quote actually translates to: Pawn your boat.

Maybe they didn't need boats anymore after God flooded the earth. And maybe instead of sword it meant gourd?
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Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’

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The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin’
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin’

Bob Dylan

http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/times-they-are-changin
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Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’

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The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin’
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin’

Bob Dylan

http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/times-they-are-changin

The guy who said this is still often quoted today and is arguably quite a bit more well known than Dylan.
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Isn't it "insert your version of Jesus" who said that?
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Isn't it "insert your version of Jesus" who said that?

Along with the "pick your own convenient translation," and I think we have a winner!

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"I've got your sword right here"

Lenny Bruce.

Those jewish guys riff the best lines.
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Whoever said "pawn your coat" never lived in Syracuse.

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Please, Sicily doesn't get all that cold. And that would have been just a short stroll across the Med..... barely have gotten His sandals moist I expect.
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Time to get some financial advice if you can't afford a sword without pawning your coat first.  ???  ???  ???

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The times they are a changing and things are going to get difficult.  Pawn your coat and buy a sword.

How do you think this applies in today's world?

Sounds like the dude's from Southern California since he doesn't need a winter coat.

Are you sure the quote isn't pawn your coat and buy a surfboard?

It would really make sense since there was a lot of bums on Ventura's beachfront the last 2 or 3 days.  Not me, I just forgot to shave...


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The same fellow who also said that 2 swords are enough?

And how might those words apply in todays world?


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The following is a rough, but essentially accurate translation of a statement made a few thousand years ago.

The times they are a changing and things are going to get difficult.  Pawn your coat and buy a sword.

Who said something like that? Practically ever person whose ever existed. Doesn't take a lot of wisdom to state the obvious.
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How do you think this applies in today's world?

Time to get some financial advice if you can't afford a sword without pawning your coat first.  ???  ???  ???

Perhaps this goes toward priorities.  If you're in a tight financial situation, future condiitions may be such that a sword may be more valuable than a coat.
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The following is a rough, but essentially accurate translation of a statement made a few thousand years ago.

The times they are a changing and things are going to get difficult.  Pawn your coat and buy a sword.

Who said something like that? Practically ever person whose ever existed. Doesn't take a lot of wisdom to state the obvious.

Fascinating perspective.  Your statement clearly implies that it is "obvious" that self defense should be a high priority for "ever person whose ever existed".  Given that a sword was the primary weapon for millenia but in today's world is essentially useless, what self defense weapon would you suggest to fill this "obvious" need?  A semi-auto rifle perhaps?
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The following is a rough, but essentially accurate translation of a statement made a few thousand years ago.

The times they are a changing and things are going to get difficult.  Pawn your coat and buy a sword.

Who said something like that? Practically ever person whose ever existed. Doesn't take a lot of wisdom to state the obvious.

Fascinating perspective.  Your statement clearly implies that it is "obvious" that self defense should be a high priority for "ever person whose ever existed".  Given that a sword was the primary weapon for millenia but in today's world is essentially useless, what self defense weapon would you suggest to fill this "obvious" need?  A semi-auto rifle perhaps?

Has anyone hear ever stated a person shouldn't be able to defend themselves? It's fascinating how screwy your mind is.
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Jesus was indeed whom I was referencing.

The purpose of the OP was two fold:

1. It is a sort of rejoinder to the various posts that have claimed that if he lived today, Jesus would be a democrat, a socialist, etc.  If one were to use the style of interpretation  to draw such conclusions, then one could just as easily use that style of interpretation to claim that today Jesus would be a gun toting member of the NRA.  The point being, arguments about which political party Jesus would join or vote for today are comletely specious.

2.  While remaining apolitical and remaining a peace loving, forgiving man, Jesus could not only see the need for self defense, but could actually preach on the principle of preparing to defend one's self, especially in tough times.
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The following is a rough, but essentially accurate translation of a statement made a few thousand years ago.

The times they are a changing and things are going to get difficult.  Pawn your coat and buy a sword.

Who said something like that? Practically ever person whose ever existed. Doesn't take a lot of wisdom to state the obvious.

Fascinating perspective.  Your statement clearly implies that it is "obvious" that self defense should be a high priority for "ever person whose ever existed".  Given that a sword was the primary weapon for millenia but in today's world is essentially useless, what self defense weapon would you suggest to fill this "obvious" need?  A semi-auto rifle perhaps?

Has anyone hear ever stated a person shouldn't be able to defend themselves? It's fascinating how screwy your mind is.

I'd say the "screwy mind" was firmly lodged between your ears.  I never stated, implied, or suggested that anyone has said "a person shouldn't be able to defend themselves."

My point was NOT about the principle of self defense.

My point was about the most effective way to prepare to defend one's self.  The implication being that if one took seriously the obligation to be prepared to defend one's self in today's world, how would one do that?

Perhaps by buying a semi-auto rifle and becoming proficient in its use?  If not, what would you suggest?
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Please, Sicily doesn't get all that cold. And that would have been just a short stroll across the Med..... barely have gotten His sandals moist I expect.

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Bottom line:

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
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"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

Agreed.

But if the weatherman says a hurricane or tornado was on the way, how would you prepare?  That's what this is about.  If tough times are ahead, how do you prepare?

And does preparation include arming one's self?
If not, why not?
If yes, is a semi-auto rifle appropriate?
If not, why not?
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Bottom line:

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

Agreed.

But if the weatherman says a hurricane or tornado was on the way, how would you prepare?  That's what this is about.  If tough times are ahead, how do you prepare?

And does preparation include arming one's self?
If not, why not?
If yes, is a semi-auto rifle appropriate?
If not, why not?

I guess it all depends on which weatherman you choose to listen to.
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I guess it all depends on which weatherman you choose to listen to.

You've heard of cases where some weathermen warned of a coming storm and others denied it?  That's a mighty interesting claim.

But regardless if which weatherman one listens to, how should one prepare for future heavy weather.  Heavy weather sometime in the future is absolutely certain.  How should one prepare?
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I guess it all depends on which weatherman you choose to listen to.

You've heard of cases where some weathermen warned of a coming storm and others denied it?  That's a mighty interesting claim.

But regardless if which weatherman one listens to, how should one prepare for future heavy weather.  Heavy weather sometime in the future is absolutely certain.  How should one prepare?

My weatherman isn't preaching of impending doom.
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My weatherman isn't preaching of impending doom.

Mine isn't either.  So?

The question was, how does one prepare for heavy weather?
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Mine isn't either.  So?

The question was, how does one prepare for heavy weather?

What heavy weather?
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Mine isn't either.  So?

The question was, how does one prepare for heavy weather?

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How do you think this applies in today's world?

Time to get some financial advice if you can't afford a sword without pawning your coat first.  ???  ???  ???

Perhaps this goes toward priorities.  If you're in a tight financial situation, future condiitions may be such that a sword may be more valuable than a coat.

So Jesus was basically expressing the same sentiment as Constable Bob ("when this sh** goes Road Warrior, I'm ready")?

Ummm...yeah. Right.


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