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Seriously - you are holding up the fact that a guy left his kids alone, including a 12-year-old, with an assault rifle to hand as some sort of genuine justification for ownership?
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Seriously - you are holding up the fact that a guy left his kids alone, including a 12-year-old, with an assault rifle to hand as some sort of genuine justification for ownership?

In your opinion, would it had been better if the 15 year old had not been able to defend himself and his sister?

Does it rankle they refused to be crime victims?
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Seriously - you are holding up the fact that a guy left his kids alone, including a 12-year-old, with an assault rifle to hand as some sort of genuine justification for ownership?

When the time comes your going to be HIDING behind everybody else that has one.

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Seriously - you are holding up the fact that a guy left his kids alone, including a 12-year-old, with an assault rifle to hand as some sort of genuine justification for ownership?

In your opinion, would it had been better if the 15 year old had not been able to defend himself and his sister?

Does it rankle they refused to be crime victims?

Humans, not just Americans, have a right to defend themselves, from ANY danger. He doesn't get that!

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You have to go back 2 1/2 years to find that story, can't you do better than that?

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Seriously - you are holding up the fact that a guy left his kids alone, including a 12-year-old, with an assault rifle to hand as some sort of genuine justification for ownership?

I starting shooting at age 4 and went squirrel and rabbit hunting alone by 8. I bought my first deer rifle, a .30-30, at 10 with money I'd earned on a paper route and would hunt alone.

There's nothing wrong with a kid having free access to a firearm after proper training.


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Those with proper training don't do Sandy Hook, Aurora, or the next psychotropic induced gun spree. He doesn't get that either.

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In your opinion, would it had been better if the 15 year old had not been able to defend himself and his sister?

Does it rankle they refused to be crime victims?

Why did he need an assault weapon to do it?
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Seriously - you are holding up the fact that a guy left his kids alone, including a 12-year-old, with an assault rifle to hand as some sort of genuine justification for ownership?

In your opinion, would it had been better if the 15 year old had not been able to defend himself and his sister?

Does it rankle they refused to be crime victims?

Why did he need an assault weapon to do it?

He didn't use an assault weapon by the AWB's definition. How many times does it take for people to get it?

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Then what's the point of the title of the thread? You guys need to get together and plan your talking points better before you post.
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I didn't post the thread, but will point out that assault is in quotations. And,  we are talking about life and civil liberties, which life is pretty moot without, not talking points!!!

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It's not in quotations in the article. If you guys are going to goose-step along with the NRA, get your talking points straight first.
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It's not in quotations in the article. If you guys are going to goose-step along with the NRA, get your talking points straight first.

Stop broad brushing. I'm not a member of the NRA and the nazi poke is probably only funny to yourself.

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It must be killing you anti-gunners that the most recent school shooting happened with a simple shotgun.

This loser actually had to carry loose rounds in his pocket


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We are devastated that only one person was shot and no one killed. That in no way makes the point we've been trying to make but you seem incapable of grasping.
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No, the point you seem to be missing is that what you want to ban NOW is "only" an insignificant percentage of unlawful gun deaths.

What is to be leery about people who want to ban "assault" weapons is after such a ban is passed is that they (you) would then start in with "Oh, unlawful gun deaths didn't drop, we need to ban these other guns too!". Then when you find out that didn't work either, you'll want to ban more and more until you'll eventually go for a ban on all guns.

Great. So what happens afterwards when you finally realize that the bad guys keep shooting those weapons because they never obeyed those laws in the first place?


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It must be killing you anti-gunners that the most recent school shooting happened with a simple shotgun.



One dead is a tragedy for the family and community, but do you understand how much better it is than 26 dead??  At all?

See, having a shotgun turned out to be MUCH LESS deadly than having a Bushmaster or some other semi auto many shooter.

That is the whole point of taking sensible steps to make guns less deadly in the hands of a mass killer.

But as the recent election demonstrated, most right wingers can't count.  So the insanity will continue until their is sufficient support for a Constitutional amendment and we lose all our guns.

How is the stonewalling on gay marriage working out for you??

Well, get ready because stonewalling on gun control will end up the same, just take longer than it should have.


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Those with proper training don't do Sandy Hook, Aurora, or the next psychotropic induced gun spree. He doesn't get that either.

I thought it was the government assassins in the black helicopters who did Sandy Hook. Are you changing your story now?

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We are devastated that only one person was shot and no one killed. That in no way makes the point we've been trying to make but you seem incapable of grasping.

That's just it. Your not making a case for the side you've chosen.
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The kid would have been better off, safer and surer with a double barrel shotgun for protection.  Probably would have been able to hit both of the intruders.

What if the second intruder had his own Bushmaster and opened up on the kid with it when he fired??  Not such a happy outcome then.

And a double barrel never jams.


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Seriously - you are holding up the fact that a guy left his kids alone, including a 12-year-old, with an assault rifle to hand as some sort of genuine justification for ownership?

I starting shooting at age 4 and went squirrel and rabbit hunting alone by 8. I bought my first deer rifle, a .30-30, at 10 with money I'd earned on a paper route and would hunt alone.

There's nothing wrong with a kid having free access to a firearm after proper training.

This is very similar to me.

I started reloading my own ammunition at age 12. áI bought a 7.57mm Mauser, paid 5 dollars for a box of cartridges and realized I'd have to find a cheaper way to enjoy shooting it.

Which brings me to another point......there appears to be another shortage of Ammo. áIt's almost impossible to find a 500 pack of .22 long rifle ammo, and if you do the price has doubled over the last month. á A buddy called as said he couldn't find any .223 or 5.56 in stock anywhere...

Seems people are stocking up again.

Way to go liberals.......

Agreed, I have no problem with kids having firearms under proper supervision....no different than letting a 10 year old have a motorcycle or four wheeler.....that does require a parent to be a parent though....something IMO not seen much these days.


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Yes - as the liberals are responsible for the idiot paranoia of the gun loonies. How about you actually take some responsibility for your own actions?

The problem with making guns available in houses with 12-year olds is not the actual learning to shoot, it's that every child of that age has poor judgment.

Even you, gunslinger, know to keep your guns locked up when the grand kids are about, but here you say nothing about a 12-year-old in a house with an assault rifle to hand.

You now saying that its responsible gun ownership to leave an assault rifle in the house, obviously easy to get hold of, with a 12-year-old being supervised by a 15-year-old? What part of that is "proper supervision"?
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Until you address the proliferation of illegally owned hand guns in our inner cities this conversation is meaningless.
An AR ban and High Capacity magazine ban did nothing statistically meaningful in the 10 year period it was in place. What will be different this time around?
I support an agenda to address the issue of gun violence in our country but lets have it be a realistic one.
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It must be killing you anti-gunners that the most recent school shooting happened with a simple shotgun.

This loser actually had to carry loose rounds in his pocket

This kind of comment demonstrates how truly disturbed you really are. The fact is only one person was shot with that shotgun and no one died. Does that mean anything to you?
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Seems people are stocking up again.

Way to go liberals.......

It's not liberals who are causing your mass hysteria. Blame that on your paranoia.
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Until you address the proliferation of illegally owned hand guns in our inner cities this conversation is meaningless.
An AR ban and High Capacity magazine ban did nothing statistically meaningful in the 10 year period it was in place. What will be different this time around?
I support an agenda to address the issue of gun violence in our country but lets have it be a realistic one.

How about we start on both rather than just putting back meaningful action. As for the previous ban, how about we don't try to shoot it full of holes.
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Seems people are stocking up again.

Way to go liberals.......

It's not liberals who are causing your mass hysteria. Blame that on your paranoia.

You can bet your ass the ammo shortage has everything to do with the proposed gun grab by the liberals.

Obama stood right there on TV and said "I'm not going to take your shotgun, I'm not going to take your rifle, and I'm not going to take your handgun".

Biden is on video saying "don't believe the Republican when the say we're going to take your guns".

It's pretty clear what they're up to and this is the biggest lie sense King George the first stood on TV and said "Read my Lips, no new taxes".

The middle class just took a tax increase as well, another Obama lie.

The people might have been asleep at the wheel during this past election but my guess is, just like in 94, the people will  increase the majority in the house and give the Senate to the Republicans.


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Seems people are stocking up again.

Way to go liberals.......

It's not liberals who are causing your mass hysteria. Blame that on your paranoia.

You can bet your ass the ammo shortage has everything to do with the proposed gun grab by the liberals.

No, it's not. It has to do with paranoid lunatics being easily manipulated by NRA fear mongering.
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Why shouldn't the focus be on the area's of greatest need versus those that are truly relatively microscopic?
The previous AR and High Capacity Ban was ineffective from any measurable perspective. Acknowledging reality is not shooting something full of holes, it's acknowledging reality.
I am not an AR proponent, I don't own one, I have no interest  in owning one, I can't relate to the mentality of someone who desires to own one etc. Ban them, don't ban them I personally could care less. I don't have any illusion that the banning of them will result is reduced rates of gun violence and murder though nor should anyone else. It didn't before it isn't likely to now.
The removal of illegal hand guns in the inner cities is the foundation of which all other efforts should be built upon. If monies are to be spent on programs or law enforcement efforts I would wish to see those monies spent where it would be most meaningful. Going after AR's is the equivalent of wetting down the driveway while the house is still a blazing inferno.
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