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11,000 deaths due to texting and driving. That's what they know about.
If we ban assault weapons were less than 400 people are killed a year in the US then surely it's time to ban cell phones.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/5/prweb9530209.htm
1 in 4 accidents are attributed to texting today.
Texting While Driving Causes:
1. 1,600,000 accidents per year – National Safety Council
2. 330,000 injuries per year – Harvard Center for Risk Analysis Study
3. 11 teen deaths EVERY DAY – Ins. Institute for Hwy Safety Fatality Facts
4. Nearly 25% of ALL car accidents
Far in a way more deadly than weapons in American. Especially to those under the age of 21.
Texting While Driving Is:
1. About 6 times more likely to cause an accident than driving intoxicated
2. The same as driving after 4 beers – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin.
3. The number one driving distraction reported by teen drivers
Texting While Driving:
1. Makes you 23X more likely to crash – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin.
2. Is the same as driving blind for 5 seconds at a time – VA. Tech Transportation Institute
3. Takes place by 800,000 drivers at any given time across the country
4. Slows your brake reaction speed by 18% – HumanFactors & Ergonomics Society
5. Leads to a 400% increase with eyes off the road
http://www.textinganddrivingsafety.com/texting-and-driving-stats/
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Perhaps we can just devise some way to make the phones shut off while in the car. Similar to finding a way to make sure guns can only be fired by their owner. See, few people are actually talking about banning all guns from all people, just a type of weapon that makes it so much easier to kill many victims at once.
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BackpackHNTR:
You really can't distinguish between the issues of car deaths vs gun deaths?
NO ONE is espousing banning guns because of accidental gun deaths! Just as we aren't banning cars because of accidental road incidents.
The issue we have is how to keep willful gun killing's under control. Willful car homicides are pretty uncommon.
If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, you will have to make them logical first!
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So the value of a person's life is determined by whether their death was deliberate or by mischance?
What happened to all human life being precious?
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(BackpackHNTR @ Jan. 10 2013, 11:43 pm)
QUOTE 11,000 deaths due to texting and driving. That's what they know about. If we ban assault weapons were less than 400 people are killed a year in the US then surely it's time to ban cell phones. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/5/prweb9530209.htm1 in 4 accidents are attributed to texting today. Texting While Driving Causes: 1. 1,600,000 accidents per year – National Safety Council 2. 330,000 injuries per year – Harvard Center for Risk Analysis Study 3. 11 teen deaths EVERY DAY – Ins. Institute for Hwy Safety Fatality Facts 4. Nearly 25% of ALL car accidents Far in a way more deadly than weapons in American. Especially to those under the age of 21. Texting While Driving Is: 1. About 6 times more likely to cause an accident than driving intoxicated 2. The same as driving after 4 beers – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 3. The number one driving distraction reported by teen drivers Texting While Driving: 1. Makes you 23X more likely to crash – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 2. Is the same as driving blind for 5 seconds at a time – VA. Tech Transportation Institute 3. Takes place by 800,000 drivers at any given time across the country 4. Slows your brake reaction speed by 18% – HumanFactors & Ergonomics Society 5. Leads to a 400% increase with eyes off the road http://www.textinganddrivingsafety.com/texting-and-driving-stats/
Are you as emotionally attached to your wife as you are to your guns?
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(justwalkin @ Jan. 10 2013, 9:14 pm)
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Jan. 11 2013, 12:05 am)
QUOTE What happened to all human life being precious? Roe v. Wade
Sorry religious myths need not apply.
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(HighGravity @ Jan. 10 2013, 10:13 pm)
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(BackpackHNTR @ Jan. 10 2013, 11:43 pm)
QUOTE 11,000 deaths due to texting and driving. That's what they know about. If we ban assault weapons were less than 400 people are killed a year in the US then surely it's time to ban cell phones. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/5/prweb9530209.htm1 in 4 accidents are attributed to texting today. Texting While Driving Causes: 1. 1,600,000 accidents per year – National Safety Council 2. 330,000 injuries per year – Harvard Center for Risk Analysis Study 3. 11 teen deaths EVERY DAY – Ins. Institute for Hwy Safety Fatality Facts 4. Nearly 25% of ALL car accidents Far in a way more deadly than weapons in American. Especially to those under the age of 21. Texting While Driving Is: 1. About 6 times more likely to cause an accident than driving intoxicated 2. The same as driving after 4 beers – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 3. The number one driving distraction reported by teen drivers Texting While Driving: 1. Makes you 23X more likely to crash – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 2. Is the same as driving blind for 5 seconds at a time – VA. Tech Transportation Institute 3. Takes place by 800,000 drivers at any given time across the country 4. Slows your brake reaction speed by 18% – HumanFactors & Ergonomics Society 5. Leads to a 400% increase with eyes off the road http://www.textinganddrivingsafety.com/texting-and-driving-stats/Are you as emotionally attached to your wife as you are to your guns?
Actually I use my bow more than any other weapon. My gun is in my pants, firearms are in the cabinet.
I don't own what the unknowledgeable call assault weapons.
She fits somewhere in between!
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(BackpackHNTR @ Jan. 11 2013, 12:23 am)
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(BackpackHNTR @ Jan. 10 2013, 11:43 pm)
QUOTE 11,000 deaths due to texting and driving. That's what they know about. If we ban assault weapons were less than 400 people are killed a year in the US then surely it's time to ban cell phones. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/5/prweb9530209.htm1 in 4 accidents are attributed to texting today. Texting While Driving Causes: 1. 1,600,000 accidents per year – National Safety Council 2. 330,000 injuries per year – Harvard Center for Risk Analysis Study 3. 11 teen deaths EVERY DAY – Ins. Institute for Hwy Safety Fatality Facts 4. Nearly 25% of ALL car accidents Far in a way more deadly than weapons in American. Especially to those under the age of 21. Texting While Driving Is: 1. About 6 times more likely to cause an accident than driving intoxicated 2. The same as driving after 4 beers – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 3. The number one driving distraction reported by teen drivers Texting While Driving: 1. Makes you 23X more likely to crash – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 2. Is the same as driving blind for 5 seconds at a time – VA. Tech Transportation Institute 3. Takes place by 800,000 drivers at any given time across the country 4. Slows your brake reaction speed by 18% – HumanFactors & Ergonomics Society 5. Leads to a 400% increase with eyes off the road http://www.textinganddrivingsafety.com/texting-and-driving-stats/Are you as emotionally attached to your wife as you are to your guns? Actually I use my bow more than any other weapon. My gun is in my pants, firearms are in the cabinet. I don't own what the unknowledgeable call assault weapons. She fits somewhere in between!
By all appearances, it's your gun you're most enamored with.
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(HighGravity @ Jan. 10 2013, 10:24 pm)
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QUOTE 11,000 deaths due to texting and driving. That's what they know about. If we ban assault weapons were less than 400 people are killed a year in the US then surely it's time to ban cell phones. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/5/prweb9530209.htm1 in 4 accidents are attributed to texting today. Texting While Driving Causes: 1. 1,600,000 accidents per year – National Safety Council 2. 330,000 injuries per year – Harvard Center for Risk Analysis Study 3. 11 teen deaths EVERY DAY – Ins. Institute for Hwy Safety Fatality Facts 4. Nearly 25% of ALL car accidents Far in a way more deadly than weapons in American. Especially to those under the age of 21. Texting While Driving Is: 1. About 6 times more likely to cause an accident than driving intoxicated 2. The same as driving after 4 beers – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 3. The number one driving distraction reported by teen drivers Texting While Driving: 1. Makes you 23X more likely to crash – National Hwy Transportation Safety Admin. 2. Is the same as driving blind for 5 seconds at a time – VA. Tech Transportation Institute 3. Takes place by 800,000 drivers at any given time across the country 4. Slows your brake reaction speed by 18% – HumanFactors & Ergonomics Society 5. Leads to a 400% increase with eyes off the road http://www.textinganddrivingsafety.com/texting-and-driving-stats/Are you as emotionally attached to your wife as you are to your guns? Actually I use my bow more than any other weapon. My gun is in my pants, firearms are in the cabinet. I don't own what the unknowledgeable call assault weapons. She fits somewhere in between! By all appearances, it's your gun you're most enamored with.
By all accounts your ignorant.
I'm concerned with the 2ND Amendment, and those rights that our fathers, brothers, sisters and uncles died for.
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If you love Jesus, honk!
If you wish to meet him, Text!
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(HighGravity @ Jan. 10 2013, 10:31 pm)
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QUOTE By all accounts your ignorant. I really wish you were bright enough to comprehend why your comments are so damn amusing.
I wish you knew that you come across so arrogantly stupid.
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(BackpackHNTR @ Jan. 10 2013, 9:12 pm)
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QUOTE BackpackHNTR:
You really can't distinguish between the issues of car deaths vs gun deaths?
NO ONE is espousing banning guns because of accidental gun deaths! Just as we aren't banning cars because of accidental road incidents.
The issue we have is how to keep willful gun killing's under control. Willful car homicides are pretty uncommon.
If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, you will have to make them logical first! All texting deaths are willful. Your logic is certainly skewed. How is working a cell phone while driving, different than shooting at people randomly? The ramifications from both are the same. Oh, I get it, you text and drive so was OK. Hypocrite!
Hypocrite? Where did I say texting while driving is OK?
Regardless, gross negligence is entirely different from willful homicide both in logic and in the eyes of the law.
Should never have responded to this idiotic thread. Moved on...
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There are a lot of people working to make death by texting "Willful Homicide"
So would that put it above assault weapons?
Nobody forced you to respond.
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(Ben2World @ Jan. 11 2013, 12:01 am)
QUOTE NO ONE is espousing banning guns because of accidental gun deaths!
Hmmmm. No one? Perhaps no one is doing so exclusively, but accidental gun deaths of children is a big rallying cry for a lot of anti-gun groups and a rallying cry for all sorts of anti-gun proposals.
QUOTE The issue we have is how to keep willful gun killing's under control. Agreed. The biggest difference I see is that the anti-gun crowd focusses on the gun and fantazies that willful killing can be controlled by restricting access to guns or certain types of guns.
QUOTE Willful car homicides are pretty uncommon. Are they? Is there data to back that up?
QUOTE If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, you will have to make them logical first! The same could be said of about 99% of anti-gun rhetoric masquerading as argument. For example, the oft repeated anti-gun argument: "if it saves only ONE life, the effort will be worth it." is blatantly false on its face. We can save many many more lives, including children's lives, with actions that are far less constitutionally intrusive or costly (in terms of both dollar cost and civil liberty cost) than the vast majority of proposed gun control laws.
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(ol-zeke @ Jan. 10 2013, 11:52 pm)
QUOTE Perhaps we can just devise some way to make the phones shut off while in the car. Similar to finding a way to make sure guns can only be fired by their owner. See, few people are actually talking about banning all guns from all people, just a type of weapon that makes it so much easier to kill many victims at once.
See. You think that's where it stops. During the first AWB, Dianne Feinstein said she wanted to confiscate all guns, take Mr. And Mrs. America's guns, but lamented she didn't have the votes that time. All we need is one or two more Sandy Hooks. For some bazaar reason, there remains a refusal to focus on the problem, instead we have scapegoating. Mental health, out of control scripting of psychotropic drugs. Ya keep blaming the inanimate and your gonna have 30 million Alex Jones's up your ass SIDEWAYS!!
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Jan. 11 2013, 12:05 am)
QUOTE So the value of a person's life is determined by whether their death was deliberate or by mischance?
What happened to all human life being precious?
No. We also try to pass laws in many states that try to reduce the number of deaths.
Cell phones bring a huge plus in terms of communication, which makes their use worthwhile.
Just like handguns and shot guns can be used for self and home defense, while hunting rifles can be used to..... Hunt.
Assault rifles are about the egos and inadequates of their owners and so not worth the cost.
We can perhaps have this discussion again when a crazy smashes his way into a school with his iPhone and proceeds to beats 20six and seven-year olds and seven of their teachers to death with it.
Or, to use your equally weak comparison on the other thread, uses a child's swimming pool to beat his way through a security system, inflates it and proceeds to drown 20 kids and seven of their teachers.
Oh, perhaps when someone starts spraying Samsung s3s around a moving theater or asking patrons to lie face down in his kiddies swimming pool.
Or maybe, just maybe, your point has no merit.
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Still attributing things to guns they don't have. If they only knew they'd be flattered.
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Like making the bedrock foundation of the freedom as an American you mean? Or that warm lovely false sense of security they give? What about the inflated sense of self worth?
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You mean like the tough cop with his badge and gun.
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You guys were much more entertaining when you stuck to the stuff about aliens and Bigfoot.
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But I've never discussed aliens and Bigfoot, you big kidder.
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Regulate cars....not guns
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog....te-guns
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Using a cell phone while driving is as bad as drinking and driving as both are deliberate attempted homicide, NOT accidental, because everyone who drives is fully aware of the hazards.
Both should be felonies with capital murder charges brought when someone is murdered by these actions.
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Holy stupid thread batman!!
States with a savvy electorate (pat myself on the back for living in MA) have already banned texting while driving and in fact we made it illegal for any cell phone use for teen drivers as well.
See when smart people get together, we come up with real solutions to reduce real risks. We don't just spout off at the mouth...trying to effectuate arguments in favor of one cause of death versus another (that's sort of sick isn't it?). No sir, we just have real conversations and come up with real solutions.
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Then why are people still getting killed in MA (and elsewhere) due to cell phone use while driving? Bozeman instituted a "handheld device" law last year with a $100 fine. It isn't just cell phones but also MP3 players, etc. The town is making money even though the ban is well publicized and signs posted at town limits.
The problem is the same as with guns. Responsible people don't need laws to mandate or restrict behavior and the scofflaws don't care.
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