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Gracia C. Martore - Pres. and CEO of Gannett, publisher of the Journal News that published the list of names and addresses of pistol/handgun owners in Westchester and Rockland Co's in NY.

Telephone no's: 703/759-5954 & 703/759-9245.

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Liberals don't care how they achieve results....Just look at the way the health care bill passed.

Why are you surprised?

Now if fox news published a list of food stamp or welfare recipients the liberals would be outraged.


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Liberals don't care how they achieve results....Just look at the way the health care bill passed.

Via the process our founders established in the Constitution. I'm not surprised that process bothers you since it means you have to acknowledge other people besides you exist.
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But, but ...  You guys have claimed for years that the best way to avoid bad guys is for those bad guys to know that you have guns in the home.

Don't these lists just provide another, surer layer of protection for gun owners from the bad guys??

Were you just kidding before??   :laugh:


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But, but ...  You guys have claimed for years that the best way to avoid bad guys is for those bad guys to know that you have guns in the home.

Don't these lists just provide another, surer layer of protection for gun owners from the bad guys??

Were you just kidding before??   :laugh:

I don't care who knows I have firearms in the home although I will admit that now that the gun grab has started it worries me.

What about the woman who had an order of protection and was trying to prevent her stalker from finding her?

What about the judge who's put a lot of criminals behind bars?

It was irresponsible and immoral for the newspaper to print this IMO.


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It was irresponsible and immoral for the newspaper to print this IMO.

I agree with you on that but doesn't it ultimately work in your favor? Now you have another talking point in your railing against gun registration.
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It was irresponsible and immoral for the newspaper to print this IMO.

I agree with you on that but doesn't it ultimately work in your favor? Now you have another talking point in your railing against gun registration.

That is correct sir.  Glad you now realize one of the problems with registration and the unintended consequences that relate to it.

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This doesn't outweigh the benefit of registration by any stretch of the imagination.
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This doesn't outweigh the benefit of registration by any stretch of the imagination.

Sure it does.

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Nope. It really doesn't.
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Yo mama!

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Nope. It really doesn't.

It's the loss of individual liberty that matters.

So, yes, it matters.


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Nope. It really doesn't.

It's the loss of individual liberty that matters.

So, yes, it matters.

Only sociopaths believe they should have unlimited "individual liberty" as you call it.
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Nope. It really doesn't.

It's the loss of individual liberty that matters.

So, yes, it matters.

Only sociopaths believe they should have unlimited "individual liberty" as you call it.

To think that we don't already have reasonable regulation in place is short sighted.  

We both know that the elimination of firearms is the ultimate goal.


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Nope. It really doesn't.

It's the loss of individual liberty that matters.

So, yes, it matters.

Only sociopaths believe they should have unlimited "individual liberty" as you call it.

To think that we don't already have reasonable regulation in place is short sighted.  

We both know that the elimination of firearms is the ultimate goal.

How's it unreasonable when it's perfectly legal to purchase firearms without a background check or registration? You guys keep whining about these incidents all being caused by the mentally ill but your schizophrenic neighbor can easily buy firearms from you with no background check.
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The same way it's reasonable to vote without an ID.

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That makes no sense. Try again. How's it unreasonable when it's perfectly legal to purchase firearms without a background check or registration?
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The media bullying facet of that action is troubling.

Perhaps it would be mitigated a bit if they led off the list with every name and current address of every single newspaper employee and owner that possessed such.
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I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of publishing the list was in the first place - because they could I guess. Have they given some sort of public interest justification?
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Revealing people's identity and such personal information as their (and their children's) home address is classic bullying. Which I'm always uncomfortable with even in a seemingly "good" cause; Megan's Laws.

Firearm possession is viewed as something to be punished, having solicited a sex worker or having been convicted (or accused?) as a sex offender or having failed to pay library fines or traffic tickets  legality aside whatever they're antagonistic to, so as a form of aggression there's outing them and thus exposing the target to possible negative consequences that the outers deem is "deserved". . Public "shaming" goes back centuries as a tactic of community intimidation. That's what the Colonial era Stocks were about.  That in the process they've revealed a whole lot of retired law enforcement people's locations is jut collateral damage to the cause. Though it is a puzzle why retired police would think having firearms would increase their personal security? You'd think all their professional experience would have exposed them to the self evident truth the anti-gun movement holds dear: that firearms are irredeemably dangerous and irrelevant as well as antithetical to personal security.
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But, but ...  You guys have claimed for years that the best way to avoid bad guys is for those bad guys to know that you have guns in the home.

Don't these lists just provide another, surer layer of protection for gun owners from the bad guys??

Were you just kidding before??   :laugh:

Nice try

But since so many guns used in crimes are stolen, how can you support a roadmap for gun thieves???


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But, but ...  You guys have claimed for years that the best way to avoid bad guys is for those bad guys to know that you have guns in the home.

Don't these lists just provide another, surer layer of protection for gun owners from the bad guys??

Were you just kidding before??   :laugh:

Nice try

But since so many guns used in crimes are stolen, how can you support a roadmap for gun thieves???

How about we hold accountable idiots who don't lock their guns in a safe and then have their guns stolen?
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If they lock the firearm in their home and someone steals it then it's their fault?

If they lock the firearm in a safe and someone breaks into the safe is it still their fault?


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How about we hold accountable idiots who don't lock their guns in a safe and then have their guns stolen?

Was that really so difficult to understand?
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What is stunning is the hypocrisy of the newspaper.

When another paper decided to teach them a lesson and publish the names and addresses of their editors, etc. they arranged for ARMED PROTECTION because they were scared


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If they lock the firearm in their home and someone steals it then it's their fault?

If they lock the firearm in a safe and someone breaks into the safe is it still their fault?

Why don't you address what I actually said this time? Let's see if we can keep you honest for once.
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What is stunning is the hypocrisy of the newspaper.

When another paper decided to teach them a lesson and publish the names and addresses of their editors, etc. they arranged for ARMED PROTECTION because they were scared

Was the armed protection from experts or just your average idiot with a personal arsenal?
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But since so many guns used in crimes are stolen, how can you support a roadmap for gun thieves???

Well, it makes more sense than your position of having as many guns as a person can afford in the home, with no registration and no licensing.

If you think that they are likely to be stolen, why would you do that??


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You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see how announcing to the world that someone has valuables in their home increases their chances of being robbed.

But maybe you have to be smarter than some anti gun nuts

This lady gets it right

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