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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Jan. 15 2013, 4:26 pm)
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QUOTE Because they won't want to get involved in a confrontation with the gun nuts looking to water the tree of liberty.
Confrontation is exactly what a good number of the gun weirdos will want. Then they lose against the far better equipped state and the issue is settled. Win-win. Why pass legislation just NOT to enforce it?
Oh they will - I just think it will be a slow turn of the screw given the circumstances involved. First stop will be the gun shop.
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(WalksWithBlackflies @ Jan. 15 2013, 9:41 am)
QUOTE Well... I guess... kinda. More like feel-good, superficial, window dressing IMO. Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features. The proposal would reduce that to one feature and include the popular pistol grip.
Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. Also Internet sales of assault weapons would be banned, and failing to safely store a weapon could be subject to a misdemeanor charge.
Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.
In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report it to a mental health director who would have to notify the state. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.
The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.
The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, also would mandate a police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.http://news.yahoo.com/ny-seal....16.html
Too bad. Glad I live in America and not New York.
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Land Rover
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Posted on: Jan. 15 2013, 7:35 pm |
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I'd have put you more in Mogadishu.
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Posted on: Jan. 15 2013, 9:36 pm |
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The recent passage of the Safe Act has criminals all across New York State lining up inside of local police stations to turn in their now illegal guns.
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Posted on: Jan. 15 2013, 10:07 pm |
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There are two parts of the law that are not thought thru. One is the requirement for the citizens to engage in interstate commerce by requiring them to sell the magazines out of state. Clearly the State on NY will not prevail on that requirement. The other is to turn in the magazines that citizens own after a year. This is clearly a taking and the citizens are due just compensation.
Personally I don't give a damn about AR15's, UZI's, etc. I was surprised when I saw them in Sporting Goods stores in the 70's. I agree no one needs one but then no one needs a Ferrari either. What I dislike is legislatures who don't seem to realize a constitution exists.
BTW, any rule passed for the citizenry also applies to the police. Are they replacing all the clips on the Glocks?
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(HighGravity @ Jan. 15 2013, 10:23 pm)
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QUOTE The recent passage of the Safe Act has criminals all across New York State lining up inside of local police stations to turn in their now illegal guns. That image is from an article about a police station with mold. http://blogs.buffalonews.com/live....on.htmlWay to prove your dishonesty once and for all. People actually retain you?
Wow, the limits of your intellect extend to the inability to understand rudimentary sarcasm.
I don't do mental disability law so you'll never have to worry about retaining me.
Here's your sign.
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Posted on: Jan. 15 2013, 10:31 pm |
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QUOTE The recent passage of the Safe Act has criminals all across New York State lining up inside of local police stations to turn in their now illegal guns. That image is from an article about a police station with mold. http://blogs.buffalonews.com/live....on.htmlWay to prove your dishonesty once and for all. People actually retain you? Wow, the limits of your intellect extend to the inability to understand rudimentary sarcasm. I don't do metal disability law so you'll never have to worry about retaining me. Here's your sign.
LOL - What a coward. Just own up to it. Don't try to hide behind, "I was being sarcastic."
What a hoot.
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Posted on: Jan. 15 2013, 10:33 pm |
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(HighGravity @ Jan. 15 2013, 10:31 pm)
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QUOTE The recent passage of the Safe Act has criminals all across New York State lining up inside of local police stations to turn in their now illegal guns. That image is from an article about a police station with mold. http://blogs.buffalonews.com/live....on.htmlWay to prove your dishonesty once and for all. People actually retain you? Wow, the limits of your intellect extend to the inability to understand rudimentary sarcasm. I don't do metal disability law so you'll never have to worry about retaining me. Here's your sign. LOL - What a coward. Just own up to it. Don't try to hide behind, "I was being sarcastic." What a hoot.
You don't have to wear a sandwich board sign proclaiming your mental defects, but apparently you are insisting on it.
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Posted on: Jan. 15 2013, 10:37 pm |
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If you were being sarcastic that means you meant the opposite of what you said right? You said this, "The recent passage of the Safe Act has criminals all across New York State lining up inside of local police stations to turn in their now illegal guns."
Is that what you believe or do you mean the opposite?
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Posted on: Jan. 15 2013, 10:42 pm |
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LOL - What a clown. As I pointed out, the police station has nothing to do with proving your point. It's a police station that was just recently renovated due to mold.
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(nogods @ Jan. 15 2013, 10:40 pm)
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QUOTE If you were being sarcastic that means you meant the opposite of what you said right? You said this, "The recent passage of the Safe Act has criminals all across New York State lining up inside of local police stations to turn in their now illegal guns."
Is that what you believe or do you mean the opposite? Look at the picture. do you see people lined up inside a police station? geeezzzz...
Come on Nogods. You just copied from some weirdo gun site where that passes for humor. Bet you all had a good laugh at that one huh?
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USSA beware. Watch NY. When these failed gun laws prove to be worthless. Confiscation will be the next step. Dictator Cuomo has already mentioned it. Don't be fooled about his agenda.
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It definitely had overwhelming support in the Senate and Assembly. It was also ramrodded through. There are some positive elements of the legislation and there is much that defies common sense.
The compliance enforcement will be interesting to see. I do foresee a lot of unintended consequences arising out of this legislation. It is likely to be an incredible mess.
Requiring those with pistol permits to reapply every 5 years will discourage many from having a pistol permit. The permit process is quite extensive. There will be a lot less legal guns in NY and likely a lot more illegal guns. The sale of hand guns will reduce greatly. The sale of shotguns for home defense purposes will sky rocket.
I can't help but think that Andrew Cuomo is laying the ground work for a Presidential run in 2016.
You can't get any higher profile than this legislation.
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So what exactly will you not be able to do legally now that you were able to do before.
You can protect your home.
You can get a handgun with a little effort.
You can go hunting.
You can target shoot.
You'll be slightly less able to carry out an armed insurrection against your democratically elected government or fight off hundreds of zombies... I mean meth heads looking to rape your girlfriend and shoot you, or indeed rape you and shoot your girlfriend.
You'll also perhaps struggle to shoot all two dozen members of the Mexican drug cartel you get into a firefight with perhaps?
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(Land Rover @ Jan. 16 2013, 8:02 am)
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QUOTE USSA beware. Watch NY. When these failed gun laws prove to be worthless. Confiscation will be the next step. Dictator Cuomo has already mentioned it. Don't be fooled about his agenda. If any single post encapsulates the problem it's this one.
No, he's right and your the naive one.
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QUOTE USSA beware. Watch NY. When these failed gun laws prove to be worthless. Confiscation will be the next step. Dictator Cuomo has already mentioned it. Don't be fooled about his agenda. If any single post encapsulates the problem it's this one. No, he's right and your the naive one.
I thought it was the UN that was going to take over America not the governor of NY state? Or is he a UN Plant?
They are devious bastards these UN types.
I forget which conspiracy we are talking about. The truth is out there sandwich guy.
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The Webster provision should have addressed judges that give 18 year sentences to a person who beats their 90 year old grandmother to death with a hammer.
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What pisses me off more than anything is the method the State used to pass the legislation:
Closed-door meeting in the middle of the night (literally). Declare an "emergency" to prevent public hearings and committee meetings. Then, don't even observe the constitutionally prescribed three-day waiting period for the law to take effect.
NYS government... leading by example.
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QUOTE USSA beware. Watch NY. When these failed gun laws prove to be worthless. Confiscation will be the next step. Dictator Cuomo has already mentioned it. Don't be fooled about his agenda. If any single post encapsulates the problem it's this one. No, he's right and your the naive one. I thought it was the UN that was going to take over America not the governor of NY state? Or is he a UN Plant? They are devious bastards these UN types. I forget which conspiracy we are talking about. The truth is out there sandwich guy.
Sandwich guy! Obviously you don't know how to spell.
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I do think the unintended consequences of this legislation will be significant. The number of illegal guns that will hit the streets of New York States inner cities and the inner cities of our neighboring states will likely be unprecedented.
Gun shows in our neighboring states will have attendance and inventory like never before.
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The new law will surely keep the bad guys from loading more than 7 rounds in their 10 round magazine.
Liberal logic at it's finest.
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It is no longer just paranoia. New York is incrementally criminalizing the private ownership of guns. Under the guise of public safety, they are feeding upon fear and anti-gun hysteria to demonize guns, the NRA, individuals that chose to own guns, and ultimately… private gun ownership. Due to demographic changes, and the further marginalization of middle America, it is only a matter of time until this trend is fully realized on a national level (I think that it is inevitable). If this progress is to be slowed, it is going to require that a large number of individuals that are currently politically apathetic (beyond the gun nut organizations) to become more involved in the political process.
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New York is incrementally criminalizing the private ownership of guns - absolute BS Mark. They can not do that thanks to the Supreme Court. What they can do is apply reasonable restrictions, the extent of which will remain in place will likely be tested by the supreme court in good time.
Enough with the hysterical panic on this one - there is no coming dictatorship and agenda to take all the precious away.
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