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Posted on: Jan. 16 2013, 8:37 pm |
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At least some of the Pennsylvania Republican legislature members and the Republican governor seem to think so: distribute electoral college votes, not proportionately which I would agree is fairer thn winner take all, but rather by Congressional District! So the gerrymandering would screw with the selection of the Preident of the United Sates.
Disgusted.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS....pn=0083
As reported in
http://thinkprogress.org/justice....bile=wt
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Posted on: Jan. 16 2013, 8:39 pm |
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Wow did I mess with that subtitle not-proof reading!
Sigh.
"To start rigging elections"
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 8:23 am |
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Why would there be a problem with electors voting for the candidate who received the most votes in their district? It would have the same end result as doing away with the EC and a direct election by the voters.
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 9:55 am |
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Because the smaller you make the electorally awarded jurisdiction the larger disparity between popular vote and electoral vote. Gerrymandering on a national levels would have created a 5 percentage pt popular vote edge for Obama yet Romney would have won the electoral college by a margin similar to the House of Representatives ratio. You would see even more congressional districts set up as 3 with 55/45 R/D and 1 with 80/20 R/D.
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 11:31 am |
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Meant to make the 1 district 80/20 D/R on above post.
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 5:07 pm |
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Just another way for the rednecks to try and sustain their grip on power, even though they are becoming a smaller and smaller minority.
It won't happen, so sleep tight. Elections do count!
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 5:15 pm |
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Probably just coincidence that the two states that are not winner take all, (ME and NE) use the same formula that PA is considering. Are they rigging the vote? Or does this only apply in a state where the urban areas lean much more left, while the rural and suburban areas lean more right?
BTW, the statement about some districts being more populous than others is not correct. Every census congressional districts must be realigned to be as equal in population as possible. And courts have been pretty strict on the one-man-one-vote standard over the years.
Back in the 50's, most state legislature districts were based on counties, which kept a rural stanglehold over state houses-which was often used as a tool by rural democrats to keep those snotty, citified Republicans in their place. But the courts put the kibosh on that. Times have changed since the 50's I guess.
So a lot depends on perspective. One mans voter suppression is another mans routine redistricting. And gerrymandering has a long, proud, bipartisan history. Which is why voting at the state level matters.
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 5:18 pm |
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Despite Obama winning the popular vote by almost 5 million votes, under this kind of
application of Gerrymandering to presidential elections in every state, Romney would have
won by 276-262.
The GOP’s redistricting successes enabled Republicans to maintain their House majority, even
though the Democrats got more votes. If every state awarded its electoral votes by these
gerrymandered congressional districts, Romney would have won by a 276-262 margin, despite
Obama’s popular vote margin, David Wasserman, the nonpartisan Cook Political Report’s House
expert, calculated.
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion....tes.ece
The way to look at this is in the same way as all the voter suppression tactics which is that
Republicans know they don't have a popular message for most Americans so the next best thing
is to use the power of the government(remember now according to Republicans they are the
"small government" party) to configure our election system in their favor so they can win.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 5:21 pm |
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(buzzards @ Jan. 17 2013, 5:15 pm)
QUOTE Probably just coincidence that the two states that are not winner take all, (ME and NE) use the same formula that PA is considering. Are they rigging the vote? Or does this only apply in a state where the urban areas lean much more left, while the rural and suburban areas lean more right?
BTW, the statement about some districts being more populous than others is not correct. Every census congressional districts must be realigned to be as equal in population as possible. And courts have been pretty strict on the one-man-one-vote standard over the years.
Back in the 50's, most state legislature districts were based on counties, which kept a rural stanglehold over state houses-which was often used as a tool by rural democrats to keep those snotty, citified Republicans in their place. But the courts put the kibosh on that. Times have changed since the 50's I guess.
So a lot depends on perspective. One mans voter suppression is another mans routine redistricting. And gerrymandering has a long, proud, bipartisan history. Which is why voting at the state level matters.
The recent gerrymandering by Republicans isn't like your standard Gerrmandering of the past.
Also Republicans in the last two elections have had a HUGE gerrmandering advantage over
Democrats
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Posted on: Jan. 17 2013, 5:47 pm |
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(buzzards @ Jan. 17 2013, 2:15 pm)
QUOTE Probably just coincidence that the two states that are not winner take all, (ME and NE) use the same formula that PA is considering. Are they rigging the vote? Or does this only apply in a state where the urban areas lean much more left, while the rural and suburban areas lean more right?
BTW, the statement about some districts being more populous than others is not correct. Every census congressional districts must be realigned to be as equal in population as possible. And courts have been pretty strict on the one-man-one-vote standard over the years.
Back in the 50's, most state legislature districts were based on counties, which kept a rural stanglehold over state houses-which was often used as a tool by rural democrats to keep those snotty, citified Republicans in their place. But the courts put the kibosh on that. Times have changed since the 50's I guess.
So a lot depends on perspective. One mans voter suppression is another mans routine redistricting. And gerrymandering has a long, proud, bipartisan history. Which is why voting at the state level matters.
Interesting, as of the 2000 census redistricting there's a variance of about 200,000 over the distribution of California congressional districts. An underlying force behind the recent redistricting reform legislation.
Given the dynamics of demographic changes over time anything less than the full state taken as a whole is, to my view, "rigging" the election away from reflecting the state's voters overall input at the least and given previous statements of intent to rig given by PA state Republican legislative leaders (in reference to the Voter Photo ID law of that state) it's reasonable to presume that hasn't changed.
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Posted on: Jan. 23 2013, 10:23 pm |
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So Virginia is where the power hungry Republicans have tried to implement the first step in trying to apply
Gerrymandering to the presidential election when Republicans took advantage Of Democrat Henry Marsh attending
the presidential inauguration thus giving Republicana a 20-19 majority to ram through a bill.
http://www.slate.com/blogs....ts.html
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013....ion.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local....ry.html
What is laughable is that one of the Virgina Republicans defended on the grounds that "create a sixth majority
black Senate district in Southside Virginia"(that is what redistricting does. It bunches as much as possible
those of the opposing party in some district so there will be less of the opposing party in other districts so
that those districts flip in your party's direct. Suffice to say the result of this redistricing is to give
REpublicans more districts)
lOOK to many other states run by Republicans at the state level who have been voting for Democrats at the national
level to start doing this because Republicans generally can't win any other way than by using the power of government
to help them win.
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Posted on: Jan. 24 2013, 10:33 am |
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But ... but ... but those Republicans hate dictatorial government, don't they??
Oh, I see, it is just like activist judges, they are very bad if the act against our crazy ideas, but very, very good if the act FOR our crazy ideas!! Got it.
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