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I read/hear that term quite often, and I am sure that many are responsible, but in my experience, too many have behaved like this guy.

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Or this woman:
Mom arrested for gun in son's backpack

A "responsible firearm owner" would not leave a firearm lying around for a child to find or, for God's sake, put it in his school backpack.

A "responsible firearm owner" would recognize his/her own responsibility in making sure that a weapon was secured, and would additionally be very much interested in making sure that those not qualified to have possession of a firearm did not get the chance to use one.

Too many "responsible firearm owners" are NOT. At all.

That Tennessee guy should be kicked out of his job and replaced, and he should lose any right he has to firearms and automobiles until he can demonstrably show that he has become responsible, by whatever means...
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The 'kicker' is that he was the sponser of the bill voted into law that allows concealed carry in restaurants that serve alcohol. I guess we now know why.
Also nothing was added to his sentence because of his illegal possesion of a firearm. A DUI conviction results in 48 hours in jail and one year on probation. At the very least, his CC permit should have been revoked.
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I'm just curious who out there considers themselves irresponsible firearm owners.
Point being - virtually every gun owner will tell you that they're a responsible gun owner.
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Anyone in possession of a firearm while under the influence of anything is irresponsible.

It is legal in MT to carry/possess a firearm in a place that serves alcohol BUT drinking while there loses any carry privileges and the gun being carried. A bar that knowingly serves someone carrying a firearm can lose its liquor license.


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I'm sure these people considered themselves responsible gun owners.
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I'm sure these people considered themselves responsible gun owners.

Even if 100 people just watched a gun be cleared AND each of those 100 checked it themselves, it is still to be considered loaded and hot. Those people are idiots and should be charged with willful negligence.

I have no problem with anyone having such an "accident" lose any right to own or possess firearms.


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I'm sure these people considered themselves responsible gun owners.

Even if 100 people just watched a gun be cleared AND each of those 100 checked it themselves, it is still to be considered loaded and hot. Those people are idiots and should be charged with willful negligence.

I have no problem with anyone having such an "accident" lose any right to own or possess firearms.

Prior to these incidents I'm sure the gun community would've called them law-abiding responsible gun owners.
How quickly things can change.
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I've never been one of "them" and don't think just anyone should be able to carry a firearm in public simply because they can. Own one, sure. Walk around with one loaded, uh uh.

I've stated before what I believe the requirements should be for public carry and many who now have CCP/CWP shouldn't.


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I've never been one of "them" and don't think just anyone should be able to carry a firearm in public simply because they can. Own one, sure. Walk around with one loaded, uh uh.

I've stated before what I believe the requirements should be for public carry and many who now have CCP/CWP shouldn't.

I consider you an individual as well and my comments were not directed at you specifically.

The point is, the terms law abiding and responsible gun owner have been thrown around fairly loosely of late.
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I'm sure these people considered themselves responsible gun owners.

Even if 100 people just watched a gun be cleared AND each of those 100 checked it themselves, it is still to be considered loaded and hot. Those people are idiots and should be charged with willful negligence.

I have no problem with anyone having such an "accident" lose any right to own or possess firearms.

Like this moron

http://washingtonexaminer.com/virgini....2518986

or this one

http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/dianne_f.html

No wonder they are so afraid of weapons "in the wrong hands"

I have always firmly believed that the gun paws that make sense are ones that would punish someone for misusing a weapon

You do not need to be licensed or registered to use your 1st amendment rights :)


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ooh...the moron in Virginia is aa serial idiot

http://dailycaller.com/2013....-threat


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Even if you could find 100,000 such examples of irresponsible gun owners there's 100,000,000 responsible gun owners. Just as you may find 100,000 irresponsible automobile owners, hurting/killing people while texting and driving, driving under the influence, while applying makeup or reading a book. There's still 100,000,000 responsible automobile owners. But because of those few we should restrict autos to a maximum 45mph, maximum 1500 lbs. and license drivers only between the ages of 25 and 65!

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No matter how many times it's repeated,
the gun/car analogy doesn't hold any water for those who can clearly see the difference.

Those who can't just keep repeating it over and over again, ad nauseum.
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Only for those who see a difference. Just remember dead is dead.

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And dumb is dumb.
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Just remember dead is dead.

The number of "dead" I've seen during my career is well in to the triple digits.

Believe me, I know all too well that, "dead is dead".
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Just remember dead is dead.

And dumb is dumb.

What are you, a middle school student? Differing opinions do not mean dumb. Everybody that disagrees with you is dumb or doesn't live in the real world. It's the way you talk to many here. But I'm satisfied your the intellectual one.

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Just remember dead is dead.

The number of "dead" I've seen during my career is well in to the triple digits.

Believe me, I know all too well that, "dead is dead".

I do not envy you in that.

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But I'm satisfied your the intellectual one.

That would be, "you're." And yes it's dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc., to reduce this topic down to "dead is dead."
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It's not polite for you to reduce the topic to such personal attacks. There are other view points. Freedom, civil liberties come with risks. Far more irresponsible drivers kill people than irresponsible gun owners. The numbers are what they are. You really could stop telling people that they are dumb, ignorant, stupid and live in a fantasy world because you disagree with them.

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It's not polite for you to reduce the topic to such personal attacks. There are other view points.

You're pulling a gunslinger. No one has attacked you personally. I've only commented about the stupidity of some of your conspiracy theories. If you want to be taken seriously, offer legitimate fact based opinions. If you want to be the source of mockery, keep acting as you have been.
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"Kept (sic) acting as you have been". I'm discussing responsible gun owners, not conspiracy theories.

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Even if you could find 100,000 such examples of irresponsible gun owners there's 100,000,000 responsible gun owners. Just as you may find 100,000 irresponsible automobile owners, hurting/killing people while texting and driving, driving under the influence, while applying makeup or reading a book. There's still 100,000,000 responsible automobile owners. But because of those few we should restrict autos to a maximum 45mph, maximum 1500 lbs. and license drivers only between the ages of 25 and 65!

I would wager that both numbers are in the millions. Almost everyone is responsible until they aren't. Kind of the point of this thread in case you missed it.
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It's not polite for you to reduce the topic to such personal attacks. There are other view points. Freedom, civil liberties come with risks. Far more irresponsible drivers kill people than irresponsible gun owners. The numbers are what they are. You really could stop telling people that they are dumb, ignorant, stupid and live in a fantasy world because you disagree with them.

That's a tactic of the left.  Demonize any one who doesn't agree with you.

Win at any cost.  

I love it when they resort to tactics such name calling.....just means you've beaten them.  It's the liberal lefts last resort and a third grade attitude.


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Even if you could find 100,000 such examples of irresponsible gun owners there's 100,000,000 responsible gun owners. Just as you may find 100,000 irresponsible automobile owners, hurting/killing people while texting and driving, driving under the influence, while applying makeup or reading a book. There's still 100,000,000 responsible automobile owners. But because of those few we should restrict autos to a maximum 45mph, maximum 1500 lbs. and license drivers only between the ages of 25 and 65!

I would wager that both numbers are in the millions. Almost everyone is responsible until they aren't. Kind of the point of this thread in case you missed it.

Yes of course, well in that case every potential danger or risk ought to be banned since everyone is only a minute away from behaving irresponsible. Lets make that the new American paradigm.

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It's not polite for you to reduce the topic to such personal attacks. There are other view points. Freedom, civil liberties come with risks. Far more irresponsible drivers kill people than irresponsible gun owners. The numbers are what they are. You really could stop telling people that they are dumb, ignorant, stupid and live in a fantasy world because you disagree with them.

That's a tactic of the left.  Demonize any one who doesn't agree with you.

Win at any cost.  

I love it when they resort to tactics such name calling.....just means you've beaten them.  It's the liberal lefts last resort and a third grade attitude.

It's a tactic of the Right to ignore counterpoint and play the victim. Ignore reality at any cost.
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With approximately 52 million households owning guns, http://wiki.answers.com/Q....America

these few examples are suppose to prove a point?

Your logic is akin to saying all non-whites are crimminals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States


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With approximately 52 million households owning guns, http://wiki.answers.com/Q....America

these few examples are suppose to prove a point?

Your logic is akin to saying all non-whites are crimminals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

No, the mass slaughter going on across America unmatched in anywhere but failed states and war zones is what proves the point.

The point here is that, as you have done here, the pro gun lobby assumes that all gun owners are "responsible" until they directly kill or injure someone.

The reality is far far from that. Perhaps we should just stop assuming they are responsible. There are thousands of deaths, injuries and shootings each year. Apart from the portion of those used in self-defense then all the others didn't involve "responsible" gun ownership.
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Gun control is a red herring as far as impacting our violent crime problem in the USA.

The real issues are

1-who is committing the overwhelming majority of violent crimes involving guns?

2- where are the majority of violent crimes taking place?

3- what is the best way to focus on the WHO and WHERE of violent gun crime.

It is a lot easier to tell us law abiding folks to hand them all in or fill out all these forms, jump through this hoop and gimmee some money than address the real issues of violent crime in the USA.

Neither the Dems or R's have proposed anything of substance that addresses the issue that impact the urban neighborhoods where the overwhelming majority of violent crime takes place.


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