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http://www.cnn.com/2013....t=hp_t3


Pretty sad when these things are no longer the lead story.
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But we really dont' have a gun problem in this country. ???

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Hi...


Can't say for sure, but perhaps we shouldn't give all those nut cases the publicity they desire.
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I seriously doubt publicity is their motivation to slaughter innocent people.
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Last night I was watching a report on Al Jazeera about some local insurrection in Afghanistan against the Taliban.
A government soldier referred to the Taliban as "bitter"  I thought that the term applies to many of these guys that pick up guns and shoot others.
They have no joy in life therefore don't value their own and that of others either..
From the little I have read about this 15 year old kid, going around in camouflage clothing is not a good sign and having guns around someone like that is asking for trouble.
So you can have all the checks you want for the gun buyer, all it takes is another family member to lose it to make all those checks/tests useless.
Besides, not that all "sane" people are always in control...
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From the little I have read about this 15 year old kid, going around in camouflage clothing is not a good sign and having guns around someone like that is asking for trouble.

Not to say anything about this kid in particular (and please don't think I'm trying to defend him), but wearing camouflage doesn't really say anything at all.  I had old camo fatigues that I liked to wear when I was kid, for no other reason than I thought they were cool (which is why any kid wears anything, if we're being honest).  That alone really says nothing about someone's mental stability or emotional functioning.


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A other responsible gun owner. Only the other day a pro gun guy on here was listing how great it was that a 15-year old and a 12-year old had open access to an assault weapon.
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The comment ,from a neighbour, was that he was "always wearing camouflage", that to me is a bit different from also having some camouflage clothing...
The question is :what made him like that ?
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The comment ,from a neighbour, was that he was "always wearing camouflage", that to me is a bit different from also having some camouflage clothing...

That's one of those "20/20 hindsight" things to me.  Just seeing a kid that likes to wear camo all the time doesn't really strike me as worrisome, unless there are other indications of mental instability or militant tendencies from the kid.

It's tragic for sure.  I'm just not sure blaming the camo fatigues is really all that relevant or productive in this case.  My $.02 anyway, we can agree to disagree about something like that.  Hardly worth arguing about, anyway.


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The youth of my generation had as much, if not more access to weapons than kids of today.

Ask yourself what's changed? Certainly not the weaponry. The kids, and the environment that they live in has. So what do you fix? If guns didn't cause the problem does taking them away fix it?

You've heard it before I know, but blaming the gun for the murders is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O'donnell fat.

Ban the spoon!
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The youth of my generation had as much, if not more access to weapons than kids of today.

Ask yourself what's changed? Certainly not the weaponry. The kids, and the environment that they live in has. So what do you fix? If guns didn't cause the problem does taking them away fix it?

You've heard it before I know, but blaming the gun for the murders is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O'donnell fat.

Ban the spoon!

The weaponry has changed fool. Shootings are not new, but the number of victims per shooting in these types of events is increasing.
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::insert generic NRA talking point here::
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going around in camouflage clothing is not a good sign and having guns around someone like that is asking for trouble.

Camo  has always been in style here.
You're forgetting we glorify war in everything: movies,clothes,toys,sports etc.Thats part of the conditioning process.Thats why when it comes around to starting another war we find it palatable and normal.


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From the little I have read about this 15 year old kid, going around in camouflage clothing is not a good sign and having guns around someone like that is asking for trouble.

Not to say anything about this kid in particular (and please don't think I'm trying to defend him), but wearing camouflage doesn't really say anything at all.  I had old camo fatigues that I liked to wear when I was kid, for no other reason than I thought they were cool (which is why any kid wears anything, if we're being honest).  That alone really says nothing about someone's mental stability or emotional functioning.

My daughters high school colors were green and gray so the whole school wore camo on a regular basis

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The youth of my generation had as much, if not more access to weapons than kids of today.

Ask yourself what's changed? Certainly not the weaponry. The kids, and the environment that they live in has. So what do you fix? If guns didn't cause the problem does taking them away fix it?

You've heard it before I know, but blaming the gun for the murders is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O'donnell fat.

Ban the spoon!

Well, I was waiting for this stupid 'gun vs spoon' argument to appear.

Thanks!

So to use your talking point like you intended, then yes, guns do not kill people, its the projectiles fired from them.

So lets....

Ban ammo!!!!

\o/ That does work. LuTz


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I love how when some kid looses it and shoots up a school the instant reaction is "BAN GUNS!!" "BAN VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES" or apparently "He did it cause he liked camo!"  What about band the stupid parents that one, dont know how to lock up thier guns apprently, two obviously dont know how to pay attention to thier kids and three obviously didnt raise their children right.  School shootings should be blamed on the parents, not the tools.  

So another lame example hypothetical then.  
Johnny who is 15 who is depressed gets a drunk at home, johnny drives a car and hits a bus full of children killing them all.

So what do we do?  Do we ban booze in the home because unstable  children could get access to it?  Do we Ban cars because someone could drive drunk and kill someone?  

NO, we take little Johnny and we toss his loser butt in jail until his hair is grey, then we turn to his parents and toss them in too for a few years for being irresponsible parents.  

All that aside, I recently saw a video of a man somewhere in asia running around a school stabing children (ill look for the link if you want it, but it isnt pretty).  I think they said he got like 15, so how is banning guns going to prevent that?  Nuts will just find another way, they always do.
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The youth of my generation had as much, if not more access to weapons than kids of today.

Ask yourself what's changed? Certainly not the weaponry. The kids, and the environment that they live in has. So what do you fix? If guns didn't cause the problem does taking them away fix it?

You've heard it before I know, but blaming the gun for the murders is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O'donnell fat.

Ban the spoon!

The weaponry has changed fool. Shootings are not new, but the number of victims per shooting in these types of events is increasing.

Again the moron speaks and puts it's foot in it's mouth.

For your information Pat, the weapons you claim to be assault type's were available when I was in high school.

We had semi auto's, AR's mini-14's etc.

So I"ll reiterate, what has changed? The weapons or the kids.  Spoons are the same size too. So why is Rosie so fat? It's what she does with the spoon you tool.

We already pointed out where in Chicago 500 murders took place with 5 being killed by your evil black guns.

That doesn't support your claims..

Son, when you were in high school is irrelevant. We're discussing what has changed over the last several decades. It's not just the frequency of shootings. It's the number of victims per shooting due to the easy access of what normal people call assault weapons.
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The youth of my generation had as much, if not more access to weapons than kids of today.

Ask yourself what's changed? Certainly not the weaponry. The kids, and the environment that they live in has. So what do you fix? If guns didn't cause the problem does taking them away fix it?

You've heard it before I know, but blaming the gun for the murders is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O'donnell fat.

Ban the spoon!

Well, I was waiting for this stupid 'gun vs spoon' argument to appear.

Thanks!

So to use your talking point like you intended, then yes, guns do not kill people, its the projectiles fired from them.

So lets....

Ban ammo!!!!

\o/ That does work. LuTz

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I love how when some kid looses it and shoots up a school the instant reaction is "BAN GUNS!!" "BAN VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES" or apparently "He did it cause he liked camo!"  

You seem to love some strange things.
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The comment ,from a neighbour, was that he was "always wearing camouflage", that to me is a bit different from also having some camouflage clothing...
The question is :what made him like that ?

Around here, camo is as common as striped clothing.

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+1. By age 10, most of my friends and I were handling "assault rifles" (according to NY's current definition). My father's generation would actually bring guns to school.

But they didn't look as scary.


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I love how when some kid looses it and shoots up a school the instant reaction is "BAN GUNS!!" "BAN VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES" or apparently "He did it cause he liked camo!"  

You seem to love some strange things.

ha, ok poor phrasing on my part.  I guess i should have said peoples reaction blows me away when....
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The youth of my generation had as much, if not more access to weapons than kids of today.

Ask yourself what's changed? Certainly not the weaponry. The kids, and the environment that they live in has. So what do you fix? If guns didn't cause the problem does taking them away fix it?

You've heard it before I know, but blaming the gun for the murders is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O'donnell fat.

Ban the spoon!

Well, I was waiting for this stupid 'gun vs spoon' argument to appear.

Thanks!

So to use your talking point like you intended, then yes, guns do not kill people, its the projectiles fired from them.

So lets....

Ban ammo!!!!

\o/ That does work. LuTz

I was waiting for ignorant "Lets ban the ammo" statement.

It's the food coming off the spoon into the mouth that's the problem with obesity.

So if were to correlate your brilliant remark, it's the food that caused Rosie O'Donnell to get fat not her actions of putting it in her mouth. You people never take responsibility for your actions. It's always someone, or something else that's to blame. Laffin!

So lets ban food!

Brilliant logic Raz!
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An assault weapon ban would have done nothing to lower the death toll in case. He could have used any type of gun to shoot his mother in her sleep. He could have used any type of gun on his siblings. He fired multiple shots when he ambushed his father, but again could have killed him with many types of guns.

If he would have continued his rampage, like he thought about, and started shooting strangers, then the AR15's capabilities might have increased the bloodshed.

It is stupid for a parent to leave guns around the house where kids have access. A gun safe would be best, hiding the guns and/or trigger locks next best. There have been a couple cases in my town where a middle school kid has been found with a gun in his backpack. The first thing I think is that the parent should face criminal charges. That would be a form of gun control i could agree with.

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Really??!!  AR-15s have been around for over half a century.  Semi auto hand guns for over a century.  Please describe how weaponry has "changed" in the past decade or two.

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Shootings are not new, but the number of victims per shooting in these types of events is increasing.

Really??!!   Then how come the number of mass killings has been going down steadily for more than the last decade and is now HALF what it was?

If you're looking for the "fool", look in the mirror.
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Looks like we have another shooting at a college in Houston.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013....t=hp_t1

Appears to have been between two people with some hit in crossfire.
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The comment ,from a neighbour, was that he was "always wearing camouflage", that to me is a bit different from also having some camouflage clothing...
The question is :what made him like that ?

Around here, camo is as common as striped clothing.

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AR-15s have been around for over half a century.  Semi auto hand guns for over a century. .

If you'd been around for half a century you'd know they weren't nearly as easy to obtain a half century ago.

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LOL - The past decade? That's not the topic. The past several decades is the topic. We all agree that gun nuts are at an all time high in the last decade.

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Really??!!   Then how come the number of mass killings has been going down steadily for more than the last decade and is now HALF what it was?


Ken did you misread what I said or is this another example of your inability to process information accurately? The number of victims PER SHOOTING has steadily risen.
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Of course it  is very normal  to see  a 15 year old kid to always dress in camo.
Obviously that is why the neighbour made that comment however forgetting to add that the kid had two eyes and wore shoes...

This is exactly the problem with the culture there.
Movies and video games glorify the all conquering soldier/rebel  that single handed wins a war .
Too bad that in reality a single bullet from another gun can put an end to that and that is why Rambo and co. might just triumph in the movies but get their collective  arse kicked in the real world.
However some can't tell fiction from reality and folk around those people that can't see the problem don't help.
good luck anyway...
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Turns out the kid had intended to kill a lot more people at a local Wal-Mart. The 22 and AR-15 were purchased legally yet, imagine this, were ultimately used illegally. Wonder when the gun nuts will comprehend this connection?

http://www.cnn.com/2013....t=hp_t2
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