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The whacko Republican right in the Montana Legislature has started it's usual insane introduction of gun bills again this session. Most interesting is a bill that will allow students to take hunting rifles, whatever they are, to schools without school authorities being allowed to intervene. The bill has the full backing of the NRA. This is just one of a proliferation of crazy guns laws being introduced this session, many of which will probably be passed by the Republican controlled legislature.
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I just recently posted this graph from the Atlantic on what correlates and what doesn't
correlate with firearm deaths in the "Tasteless NRA ad" thread and one of the highest
correlations surprise surprise is "weapons in schools"
http://www.theatlantic.com/nationa....54
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So what? It was common when I grew up (SW mtns of VA) and opening day was an excused absence.
QUOTE Montana Bill Would Allow Hunting Rifles in School Parking Lots
KALISPELL, Mont. (AP) — A state representative from Columbia Falls is set to appear before the House Education Committee this week to discuss proposed legislation that would allow students to keep hunting rifles in vehicles parked in a school lot.
Current state law prohibits students from bringing firearms to school, even if they are locked in a vehicle. Students who violate that law must be expelled for at least a year, though school board trustees may modify the punishment on a case-by-case basis.
The Daily Inter Lake in Kalispell reports that Republican Rep. Jerry O'Neil's bill, which will be presented Friday, would eliminate the expulsion requirement and exempt firearms that are kept in locked vehicles. Some consider that exception necessary in a state where hunting is common and students occasionally forget their rifles in their vehicles after hunting trips.
The state Office of Public Instruction says in the last three years, Montana schools have reported more than 79 violations involving shotguns, rifles, handguns or other firearms.
In December, Columbia Falls High School student Demari DeReu faced an expulsion hearing after inadvertently bringing an unloaded hunting rifle to school. She remembered the rifle and told school officials when contraband-sniffing dogs arrived on campus.
DeReu was later allowed back at school.
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(hikerjer @ Jan. 21 2013, 10:05 pm)
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(Montanalonewolf @ Jan. 21 2013, 11:36 pm)
QUOTE So what? It was common when I grew up Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the times have changed.
Now, there is the first thing we will agree upon.
Times have changed, kids are different in the head. Guns are about the same though.
Almost every boy had a rifle in the rack of his pickup truck when I was in school. IF there had been a thief, it would have been easy to steel hundreds of rifles right in the school parking lot. Most trucks were unlocked too.
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Posted on: Jan. 22 2013, 6:43 am |
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The good old days
https://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2013/01/11/111454/
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My brother carried a .22 rifle on the school bus in the morning and hunted on the walk home in the afternoon.
I remember kids bringing in there new Marlin 30/30's for show and tell after Christmas.
Personally, I like the idea. Hurray for Montana.
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Montanalonewolf
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(hikerjer @ Jan. 21 2013, 10:05 pm)
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(Montanalonewolf @ Jan. 21 2013, 11:36 pm)
QUOTE So what? It was common when I grew up Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the times have changed.
True but they're talking about unloaded rifles in a locked vehicle in a parking lot, not bringing them into the school.
Besides, laws against weapons on school ground grounds have worked so wonderfully so far.... right?
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(Montanalonewolf @ Jan. 22 2013, 8:20 am)
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(hikerjer @ Jan. 21 2013, 10:05 pm)
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(Montanalonewolf @ Jan. 21 2013, 11:36 pm)
QUOTE So what? It was common when I grew up Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the times have changed. True but they're talking about unloaded rifles in a locked vehicle in a parking lot, not bringing them into the school.
So on a practical level (a foreign concept to wing nuts, I know) how do the school authorities assure the weapons are unloaded? In addition to bus duty, cafeteria duty, attendence and teaching, are teachers now responsible for a daily gun check too?
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BillBab
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Posted on: Jan. 22 2013, 11:44 am |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article....w-cooke
More about the good old days
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(Raznation @ Jan. 22 2013, 7:12 am)
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(gunslinger @ Jan. 22 2013, 5:45 am)
QUOTE My brother carried a .22 rifle on the school bus in the morning and hunted on the walk home in the afternoon.
I remember kids bringing in there new Marlin 30/30's for show and tell after Christmas.
Personally, I like the idea. Hurray for Montana. Welcome to the last century.
Lol
Maybe they can bring scurvy and cobblestone roads back.
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(hikerjer @ Jan. 21 2013, 11:06 am)
QUOTE The whacko Republican right in the Montana Legislature has started it's usual insane introduction of gun bills again this session. Most interesting is a bill that will allow students to take hunting rifles, whatever they are, to schools without school authorities being allowed to intervene. The bill has the full backing of the NRA. This is just one of a proliferation of crazy guns laws being introduced this session, many of which will probably be passed by the Republican controlled legislature.
Dear Whacko,
I havent declaired myself republican or democrat, I'm not real up to date on politics. I've been meaning to research what left wing and right wing means but just havent found it to be that important to me. I vote for people, not what side of the fence they stand on. Like you, I enjoy the aspects of outdoor living in Montana, skiing, hiking, and snow snowshoeing. I also enjoy all aspects of the shooting sports, including hunting. I often leave firearms of some sort in my vehicle, maybe they are concealed self defense firearms, maybe they are rifles I didnt care to remove after an outing. How is it any different for a high school student to act in the same way? It's just not that big of a deal. These high school students that may be driving there parents vehicle with a firearm in it understad that it's just not that big of a deal, why would you think it's such a big deal. If some not so bright kid starts showing off with a fiream, remove it from his possesion and carry on, not a big deal.
If you want to talk about crazy gun laws, have you heard that Obama wants to restrict the firearms that we can purchase for our recreational sporting oportunities? The shooting sports that a good majority of Montanans enjoy are no less important than any other outdoor activity we enjoy here.
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Amen! A gun free society will eliminate the possibility of gun deaths. It is an incontrovertible fact that there is a 100% correlation between gun deaths and….yes, you guessed it…GUNS!
In DC, the highest, 21.7 out of 100,000 or .000217! Eliminating all guns, including those in use by Law Enforcement, will bring that down by a massive .000217 to ZERO.
Since 21.7 out of 100,000 is considered an epidemic, and justifies the elimination of rights, why not just hold other rights, not to mention simple privileges, to the same criteria? It is just a common sense approach to a safer society!
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Just joined this site a few days days ago and have found some great advice and folks on her, However I have noticed a total breakdown of any civil, rational discourse when it comes to the Second amendment.
I don't really have a dog in this hunt but I think if I were the folks spouting the hate, vitriol and angry statements about how awful guns were, I would make plans to move somewhere the guns are confiscated like England, Australia or other socialist countries.
Seems people post things just to make others angry and upset. I like the bill of rights and the constitution and can't find a reason to pick a la cart the one's I like and dislike.
Just noticed this one exception of courtesy and respect I have found everywhere else on this otherwise nice site.
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(markinOhio @ Feb. 19 2013, 10:17 am)
QUOTE Amen! A gun free society will eliminate the possibility of gun deaths. It is an incontrovertible fact that there is a 100% correlation between gun deaths and….yes, you guessed it…GUNS!
In DC, the highest, 21.7 out of 100,000 or .000217! Eliminating all guns, including those in use by Law Enforcement, will bring that down by a massive .000217 to ZERO.
Since 21.7 out of 100,000 is considered an epidemic, and justifies the elimination of rights, why not just hold other rights, not to mention simple privileges, to the same criteria? It is just a common sense approach to a safer society!
Why are you only able to see things as one extreme or the other?
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Well, if by extreme you mean an unwillingness to compromise basic freedoms in an illogical manner, devoid of any possible logic, and all based solely on an emotional response, I guess that I would have to admit that it is simply in my nature to favor individual freedoms.
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You haven't said anything remotely logical. You might as well just start screaming, "from my cold dead hands" at the top of your lungs.
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(Montanalonewolf @ Feb. 19 2013, 10:21 pm)
QUOTE QUOTE I would make plans to move somewhere the guns are confiscated like England, Australia or other socialist countries. The problem is that rather than going somewhere that already has their warped vision of utopia, they're gonna change the US come hell or high water and be damned to those who like it the way it already is.
What country do you plan to move to after we turn it into our liberal utopia?
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(Bass @ Feb. 19 2013, 9:36 am)
QUOTE Mountaintana QUOTE These high school students that may be driving there parents vehicle with a firearm in it understad that it's just not that big of a deal, why would you think it's such a big deal. What you are describing is the "wild west", where guns are everywhere and daily shootouts are "not that big of a deal". Sadly, killing each other off with guns is just part of the "wild west" culture. But the rest of the country finds that all the unnecessary deaths from firearms are unacceptable. So we are working toward eliminating ALL guns - moving toward a gun free America. The US, led by cities like Chicago, has recognized that the gun problem must be addressed. Change is coming. To quote hikerjer, "Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the times have changed." And the US is ready to join the rest of the industrialized world and move toward a gun free society.
No, It's not the "wild west", it's Montana. Guns are everywhere and everyday shootings arent the norm. Owning, possesing, and carrying firearms is no big deal. Most of the country understands that firearms are absent minded and can't kill people, where have you been? Most Americans are trying to maintain our Second Amedment rights as well as those that proceed it.
I have been in the military, I have been in the Army, I have been in the Infantry. I thank whoever there is to thank that those who are mentally ill who wish to kill innocent people have as of yet used only firearms. From those who have shot and killed, I can guarantee you that there are much more effective and less costly means of killing the innocent.
Unnecessary deaths are indeed unacceptable, cities like Chicago definetly have problems, what are those problems?, lets address those problems. Hopefully they can resolve those problems on there own so they dont become nation wide problems.
Quoting Jerry is great, I look to him for a lot of answers as well but the great American Industrialization has come and gone, and firearms remain long after that movement, well into the technological era we are in now. Times have changed but I dont imagine that our healthy culture and some of the ways of life will.
I am now retired from the military, as is my Father, my Grandfather as well as those in my family who fought before us. My son's first firarem was inherited from family at the the age of 2 months and that will not be taken away from him. Change may well be coming but eliminating ALL firearms will not come in my life time. Let's get to the root of the problem.
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(Mountaintana @ Mar. 02 2013, 12:29 am)
QUOTE No, It's not the "wild west", it's Montana. Guns are everywhere and everyday shootings arent the norm. Owning, possesing, and carrying firearms is no big deal. Most of the country understands that firearms are absent minded and can't kill people, where have you been? Most Americans are trying to maintain our Second Amedment rights as well as those that proceed it.
I have been in the military, I have been in the Army, I have been in the Infantry. I thank whoever there is to thank that those who are mentally ill who wish to kill innocent people have as of yet used only firearms. From those who have shot and killed, I can guarantee you that there are much more effective and less costly means of killing the innocent.
Unnecessary deaths are indeed unacceptable, cities like Chicago definetly have problems, what are those problems?, lets address those problems. Hopefully they can resolve those problems on there own so they dont become nation wide problems.
Quoting Jerry is great, I look to him for a lot of answers as well but the great American Industrialization has come and gone, and firearms remain long after that movement, well into the technological era we are in now. Times have changed but I dont imagine that our healthy culture and some of the ways of life will.
I am now retired from the military, as is my Father, my Grandfather as well as those in my family who fought before us. My son's first firarem was inherited from family at the the age of 2 months and that will not be taken away from him. Change may well be coming but eliminating ALL firearms will not come in my life time. Let's get to the root of the problem.
No one has said anything about taking away everyones guns.....all their guns.
That is just a misconception that is fed to the pets who are trained like Pavlovs dog each time the NRA cries wolf.
So since you have experience in the military, maybe you can post up an argument of why does 'joe public' need large capacity magazines and military style weapons?
I want to see what the words 'well regulated militia' means to you.
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