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Republican switches parties over GOP gun obsession.

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In Arizona, it is legal for a person to walk up to another on a street corner, hand him cash for a firearm and simply walk off with it, with no need for a background check into his psychological or criminal history. That was exactly what happened with those who came to my buyback to "score some deals" on weapons by outbidding the gift cards I was offering.

I was a Republican at the time, but less than one week after the buyback, I chose to switch parties. I believe there is a centrist element among the rank and file in the GOP, but the leadership is led by the far right and openly beholden to the NRA and the gun lobby. It is that rigid ideology that is driving the party into irrelevancy. The overreaction to the gun buyback made it clear that, in Tucson at least, the Republican Party is out of touch with the values of the community.

The cash for guns event clearly highlighted that anyone, a criminal or someone who is mentally ill, can immediately buy a gun with no questions asked in Tucson. It's obvious that public safety demands that background checks be incorporated somehow in private, person-to-person purchases of guns.

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I agree with his assessment of the GOP.
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Yes there are some democrats that won't support AWB as well.

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From my journal: (Last Saturday) my friend Mike was telling about working the gun buy-back at our church earlier that day. A pro-assault weapons/high capacity magazine group rented space across the street from the buy-back and was offering to auction or buy people’s guns at better prices than the church was giving. I think the alternative guys with all their signs turned 30-40 guns and the church about 100.
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Church arming themselves! Tithes well spent I suppose.

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How noble. All guns, any guns, or just guns that would be on New Yorks or senator Feinstein's bill. What if some of them are stolen guns?

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Why is it we need so many guns in private ownership? Because there are too many deer? No, it's because the people that make them want to make even more money so they have choreographed the paranoia that the guberment is gonna take away ur guns.

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Are any of these folks buying weapons not legally entitled to own them?

That should be all that matters

The guys setting up in plain sight near a gun buy-back are not likely to be involved in the illegal arms trade.

The guy selling them out of his trunk behind a bar probably is


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There's no logical reason to make that assumption.
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How noble. All guns, any guns, or just guns that would be on New Yorks or senator Feinstein's bill. What if some of them are stolen guns?

How snarkish.

No dood, it's a small effort on the part of an inner city church to take some guns off the street. It also, in this instance, served to shine a light on the increasing hysteria of the gun nut contingent.


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There's no logical reason to make that assumption.

We have already established that criminals and mass murderers are all smarter than you are

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http://fox6now.com/2013....-option

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Part of the problem with TPA is that often there seems to be no middle ground or any view of other people's (differing) opinions that isn't cartoon-based. Thus, a sincere effort to deal with a small part of gun violence is met with sarcasm (#8) and ignorance (#10 - yeah, the illegal firearms trade is conducted out of car trunks behind bars!?!?).

Of course you're entitled to your opinions. Meanwhile, I'll be working to help further what I expect are inevitable changes in our national conversations about gun violence and gun laws. You can keep on jackin' them jibs and I know you will.


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How noble. All guns, any guns, or just guns that would be on New Yorks or senator Feinstein's bill. What if some of them are stolen guns?

How snarkish.

No dood, it's a small effort on the part of an inner city church to take some guns off the street. It also, in this instance, served to shine a light on the increasing hysteria of the gun nut contingent.

Actually very serious question. Just potentially banned guns or all guns. What about the stolen guns you may well be buying?

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PSA from a Sheriff in Wisconsin

This is a valid point. Not meant as a criticism of the police at all, but it is what it is. The police can't be everywhere all the time. More often then not police show up after the crime has been committed to clean up the mess. Of course sometimes they do interrupt a crime, but even then they have lessened the extent and impact of a crime, usually.  The police found the aurora shooter at his car behind the theatre after he had completed his crime. The police arrived at Sandy Hook 15-20 minutes after that shooter had commenced his crime. Perhaps they prevented him from taking the lives of several more children. This seems to be the point that Clarke is making.

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More important for now is that Feinstein’s proposal marks point of profound disagreement.  Surely most gun owners, but perhaps many others will acknowledge that when seconds count, government is minutes away.  This means that in those critical moments when violence sparks, you are on your own.

Many people resist this fact and its implications. Supply controls appeal to those people (just get rid of the guns and these crimes would stop).  Supply controls they believe, can moot the need for armed self-defense.  But that is a pipe dream in a country that already has 320 million guns distributed across 40 percent of households.


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There's no logical reason to make that assumption.

We have already established that criminals and mass murderers are all smarter than you are

Good one. You should take that act on the road. You could call it Bill Bab's Troll Troupe.
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PSA from a Sheriff in Wisconsin

One of our local sheriffs said the same thing about a year ago. In the next few months there were a number of cases of home owners shooting "intruders". In one case the intruder was supposedly following a guy home from Wal-Mart and the home owner shot him in the driveway. In another case, an empty house had supposedly been broken into so the owners, a husband wife drove from 45 minutes away to check it out themselves and shot the guy as soon as they opened the door. In another case, a 16 year old was trying to steal car, supposedly, and was gunned down while fleeing. In another case a home owner shot two intruders. Funny thing though. The supposed intruders were hundreds of feet from the house  and the home owner was an ex-con who was not allowed to own a handgun.  To make matters worse, women started flocking to CCP classes but then it turned out they were being awarded CCP's by an ex-cop who was giving them the answers and not actually conducting the class.

Maybe these lazy sheriffs should start doing their own jobs instead of encouraging people to shoot other people.
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From NYT:

And in Last Week’s Gun News ...
By JOE NOCERA
Monday, Jan. 21:

Eleaquin Temblador had plans. He was working to earn his high school diploma and wanted to join the U.S. Marine Corps and marry his girlfriend. ... Instead, family members are planning Temblador’s funeral. For reasons no one can explain, gunmen in a light-colored, older-model vehicle gunned down the 18-year-old ... as he rode his bicycle home from his girlfriend’s house.

— Dailybreeze.com, Los Angeles

Relatives of a teen who was shot while playing basketball at a local park said the 16-year-old is now paralyzed from the waist down. ... Police said the shooter, a 17-year-old boy, had a gun stuck in his waistband. While he was playing basketball, someone bumped into him and the gun went off. ...

— Click Orlando.com

Tuesday, Jan. 22:

A Baton Rouge man who authorities said was playing with a gun was booked ... in the accidental shooting of his 2-year-old brother. ... [The man’s uncle] said the teen had armed himself due to “environmental pressure” from neighborhood friends.

— The Advocate, Baton Rouge, La.

The New Mexico teenager who used an assault rifle to kill his mother, father and younger siblings told police he hoped to shoot up a Walmart after the family rampage and cause “mass destruction.” ... Nehemiah Griego, the 15-year-old son of an Albuquerque pastor ... “stated he wanted to shoot people at random and eventually be killed while exchanging gunfire with law enforcement,” the [police] report said.

— ABC News

Wednesday, Jan. 23:

Kansas City police arrested a 16-year-old Ruskin High School student accused of shooting at a school bus after the driver refused to allow him to board on Wednesday.

— The Kansas City Star

A 4-year-old boy has died after being shot in the head Wednesday. ... The deputy [sheriff] located the child’s body inside of a Ford Taurus. There was a bullet hole in the roof of the car. ... “Jamarcus loved Batman, Spider-Man and football and was looking forward to starting kindergarten,” [his mother] said.

— Newsnet5.com, Akron, Ohio

Thursday, Jan. 24:

The estranged husband of a woman found dead in her Madison apartment Thursday was found dead in his home ... of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. ... “We can’t really believe it; I mean, these things happen on TV, they don’t happen to us,” [her stepmother] said. “We’re middle class, normal Americans, and she was a nice girl.”

— WISC-TV, Madison, Wis.

Police said an 11-year-old girl is in critical condition after being shot in the face by her father in a New Jersey home on Thursday night. Investigators said 27-year-old Byaer Johnson apparently entered the home to visit his young daughter. ... He was asked to leave, then picked up a handgun and shot his daughter.

— CBS News

Friday, Jan. 25:

An Oakland police officer was shot and wounded Friday evening, the second officer in the city to be injured by gunfire this week. ... The shooting happened after a man in a car ran a stop sign, crashed into another car ... and ran off. Shortly thereafter, an uncle and his nephew reported that they were shot a block away by a man who tried to steal the uncle’s bicycle.

— SFGate.com

A man has been charged with murder for fatally shooting his brother during a “domestic” dispute outside a South Side Englewood home Friday afternoon. ...

— Chicago.CBSlocal.com

Saturday, Jan. 26:

A party in Salem that spilled outdoors ended in drive-by gunfire that hit at least two people and riddled a car and nearby homes. ...

— KOINlocal6, Salem, Ore.

A 55-year-old man has been released from custody after allegedly shooting and killing his own dog. Police say Gordon Lagstrom was drunk Saturday night when he pulled a .38 caliber handgun and shot to death his 4-year-old Australian terrier, Lena.

— Boston.CBSlocal.com

The city broke a nine-day murder-free streak last night when a man was found dead in the basement of a Queens apartment complex, police said. The 20-year-old victim, whose name was not released, had been shot in the head.

— New York Post

Among those killed Saturday was a 34-year-old man whose mother had already lost her three other children to shootings. Police say Ronnie Chambers, who was his mother’s youngest child, was shot in the head while sitting in a car. Police say two separate double-homicide shootings also occurred Saturday about 12 hours apart. ... Chicago’s homicide count eclipsed 500 last year for the first time since 2008.

— CBS News


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Mother loses four children over 18 years...all to gun violence.
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High gravity are you in upstate SC?  Local sheriff story sounds familiar. Just curious.
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Yes. Sheriff Welles. Media hound. Wants to be the next Buford Pusser.
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Sorta sounds like sheriff Wright in spartanburg and some incidents we have had.
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Yeah you're right. I had him confused with the bad sheriff the next county over in Union, the one who over saw the Susan Smith case then was later arrested himself along with most of his staff for a variety of corruption charges.
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Then there's the strange case of the Sheriff in Hendersonville who resigned in disgrace last year. (And some folks are okay with these guys refusing to enforce laws they don't believe in. Amazing.)
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How noble. All guns, any guns, or just guns that would be on New Yorks or senator Feinstein's bill. What if some of them are stolen guns?

How snarkish.

No dood, it's a small effort on the part of an inner city church to take some guns off the street. It also, in this instance, served to shine a light on the increasing hysteria of the gun nut contingent.

Actually very serious question. Just potentially banned guns or all guns. What about the stolen guns you may well be buying?

If you can't secure your firearm you're unqualified to have it.

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And in Last Week’s Gun News ...
By JOE NOCERA
Monday, Jan. 21:

Eleaquin Temblador had plans. He was working to earn his high school diploma and wanted to join the U.S. Marine Corps and marry his girlfriend. ... Instead, family members are planning Temblador’s funeral. For reasons no one can explain, gunmen in a light-colored, older-model vehicle gunned down the 18-year-old ... as he rode his bicycle home from his girlfriend’s house.

— Dailybreeze.com, Los Angeles

Relatives of a teen who was shot while playing basketball at a local park said the 16-year-old is now paralyzed from the waist down. ... Police said the shooter, a 17-year-old boy, had a gun stuck in his waistband. While he was playing basketball, someone bumped into him and the gun went off. ...

— Click Orlando.com

Tuesday, Jan. 22:

A Baton Rouge man who authorities said was playing with a gun was booked ... in the accidental shooting of his 2-year-old brother. ... [The man’s uncle] said the teen had armed himself due to “environmental pressure” from neighborhood friends.

— The Advocate, Baton Rouge, La.

The New Mexico teenager who used an assault rifle to kill his mother, father and younger siblings told police he hoped to shoot up a Walmart after the family rampage and cause “mass destruction.” ... Nehemiah Griego, the 15-year-old son of an Albuquerque pastor ... “stated he wanted to shoot people at random and eventually be killed while exchanging gunfire with law enforcement,” the [police] report said.

— ABC News

Wednesday, Jan. 23:

Kansas City police arrested a 16-year-old Ruskin High School student accused of shooting at a school bus after the driver refused to allow him to board on Wednesday.

— The Kansas City Star

A 4-year-old boy has died after being shot in the head Wednesday. ... The deputy [sheriff] located the child’s body inside of a Ford Taurus. There was a bullet hole in the roof of the car. ... “Jamarcus loved Batman, Spider-Man and football and was looking forward to starting kindergarten,” [his mother] said.

— Newsnet5.com, Akron, Ohio

Thursday, Jan. 24:

The estranged husband of a woman found dead in her Madison apartment Thursday was found dead in his home ... of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. ... “We can’t really believe it; I mean, these things happen on TV, they don’t happen to us,” [her stepmother] said. “We’re middle class, normal Americans, and she was a nice girl.”

— WISC-TV, Madison, Wis.

Police said an 11-year-old girl is in critical condition after being shot in the face by her father in a New Jersey home on Thursday night. Investigators said 27-year-old Byaer Johnson apparently entered the home to visit his young daughter. ... He was asked to leave, then picked up a handgun and shot his daughter.

— CBS News

Friday, Jan. 25:

An Oakland police officer was shot and wounded Friday evening, the second officer in the city to be injured by gunfire this week. ... The shooting happened after a man in a car ran a stop sign, crashed into another car ... and ran off. Shortly thereafter, an uncle and his nephew reported that they were shot a block away by a man who tried to steal the uncle’s bicycle.

— SFGate.com

A man has been charged with murder for fatally shooting his brother during a “domestic” dispute outside a South Side Englewood home Friday afternoon. ...

— Chicago.CBSlocal.com

Saturday, Jan. 26:

A party in Salem that spilled outdoors ended in drive-by gunfire that hit at least two people and riddled a car and nearby homes. ...

— KOINlocal6, Salem, Ore.

A 55-year-old man has been released from custody after allegedly shooting and killing his own dog. Police say Gordon Lagstrom was drunk Saturday night when he pulled a .38 caliber handgun and shot to death his 4-year-old Australian terrier, Lena.

— Boston.CBSlocal.com

The city broke a nine-day murder-free streak last night when a man was found dead in the basement of a Queens apartment complex, police said. The 20-year-old victim, whose name was not released, had been shot in the head.

— New York Post

Among those killed Saturday was a 34-year-old man whose mother had already lost her three other children to shootings. Police say Ronnie Chambers, who was his mother’s youngest child, was shot in the head while sitting in a car. Police say two separate double-homicide shootings also occurred Saturday about 12 hours apart. ... Chicago’s homicide count eclipsed 500 last year for the first time since 2008.

— CBS News

None of those shootings would have been prevented by the currently proposed AWB.

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How noble. All guns, any guns, or just guns that would be on New Yorks or senator Feinstein's bill. What if some of them are stolen guns?

How snarkish.

No dood, it's a small effort on the part of an inner city church to take some guns off the street. It also, in this instance, served to shine a light on the increasing hysteria of the gun nut contingent.

Actually very serious question. Just potentially banned guns or all guns. What about the stolen guns you may well be buying?

If you can't secure your firearm you're unqualified to have it.

Next.

Is that dc's law or DC's law?

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