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How many citizens with guns agree with what this guy says, and is an armed rebellion by their ilk what the Founders had in mind with the Second Amendment?

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Speaking to fans during an NBC-sponsored gun show, Nugent said that Obama “is attempting to re-implement the tyranny of King George that we escaped from in 1776,” adding: “If you want another Concord bridge, I’ve got some buddies.”

The comment was a reference to the Battle of Concord, in which a British soldier broke a standoff and fired upon assembled American militiamen, in what later became known as “the shot heard around the world” that helped launch the Revolutionary War.

He added that Obama “hires, appoints and associates with communists,” and that he’s “an evil, dangerous man who hates America and hates freedom. And we need to fix this as soon as possible.”

Speaking to conspiracy website World Net Daily earlier in January, the National Rifle Association board member said he believes a new era of civil rights is dawning — one in which gun lovers must become “the Rosa Parks.”
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Several Sheriffs have already made statements that they will not enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

This second term is where we really see the attempt to expand the liberal agenda .....thank god for a Republican controlled House.


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Gunslinger, do you agree with Nugent and is an armed revolt led by people like him what the Founders had in mind with the 2nd Amendment?

Also, who decides what is and is not Constitutional -- a local sherrif or the Supreme Court of the United States?


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Perhaps Ted can use the experience and skills that he learned while fighting in Vietnam.
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Several Sheriffs have already made statements that they will not enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

Activist sheriffs need to be sent packing too.
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Nugent is an idiot but he is sort of right about the 2nd.

In my opinion, the 2nd was written as a "prevention clause" against tyranny. Having just come from a war fought against it, the FF understood that it could happen again and wanted the citizens to be armed to help deter another one. If the citizens are armed, a government is much less likely to attempt to "ride roughshod" against them.

Obama is becoming dictatorial by issuing executive orders that adversely affect the citizenry without (or before) going through Congress. Regardless of how well intentioned he may be, dictating his own terms that can't/won't pass Congress is being tyrannical.
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Obama is becoming dictatorial by issuing executive orders that adversely affect the citizenry without (or before) going through Congress.

MLW - While there is certainly a recent history of presidents issuing a perceived excess (usually by the opposite party) of executive orders and the scope of how and why that happens is a valid conversation, which executive orders have come from Obama that you feel supports the above quote.

Obama - 144 EO's
Bush jr. - 291 EO's
Clinton - 364 EO's
Bush sr. - 166 EO's
Reagan - 381 EO's
Carter - 320 EO's
Ford - 169 EO's
Nixon - 346 EO's
Johnson - 324 EO's
Kennedy - 214 EO's
Eisenhower - 486 EO's
Truman - 896 EO's

Clearly Obama has not issued more, and looked at from a per year amount Obama actually has issued fewer EO's than most of his predessors, so I would assume the scope of the EO's would be your primary issue. So, when using strong phrasing like "becoming dictatorial", which EO's has Obama issued that you believe merits that type of assesment?

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Nugent and Gunslinger are not the type of people who can be impressed with facts, just confuses them and if not in agreement with their macho fantasys, totally ignored.

It is interesting that Truman and Eisenhower were the peak Presidents for EOs, and Truman had twice as many as Ike!!  Back in the day when we were recovering from WWII, and adjusting to the post war economy, plus little issues like integrating the armed forces and building the interstate highway system.

Yep, those EOs are sure revolutionary!   :O


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It is interesting that Truman and Eisenhower were the peak Presidents for EOs, and Truman had twice as many as Ike!!  Back in the day when we were recovering from WWII, and adjusting to the post war economy, plus little issues like integrating the armed forces and building the interstate highway system.

Yep, those EOs are sure revolutionary!   :O

Dictators all - to the gallows with them!

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As far as I'm aware, none of the other EOs were contravening part of the US Constitution and specifically aimed at half the population, except Bush's Patriot Act and I objected with the same terms to that.

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As far as I'm aware, none of the other EOs were contravening part of the US Constitution and specifically aimed at half the population, except Bush's Patriot Act and I objected with the same terms to that.

Which of Obama's EO's fit this description:

"contravening part of the US Constitution and specifically aimed at half the population..."
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Several Sheriffs have already made statements that they will not enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

So laocal sheriffs now determine what's constitutional rather than the courts.  Gee, too bad they couldn't do that in the 60s.  The civil rights movement would have never gotten off the ground.

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Making outrageous, totally erroneous claims will lead to harser results.  The middle always reacts against extreme positions, and true conservatism militates against nutcase behavior like Nugent.

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As far as I'm aware, none of the other EOs were contravening part of the US Constitution and specifically aimed at half the population, except Bush's Patriot Act and I objected with the same terms to that.

Bush's Patriot Act wasn't an "executive order", it was a bill passed by the Congress and signed into law by Bush.

PUBLIC LAW 107 - 56 - UNITING AND STRENGTHENING AMERICA BY PROVIDING APPROPRIATE TOOLS REQUIRED TO INTERCEPT AND OBSTRUCT TERRORISM (USA PATRIOT ACT) ACT OF 2001

So that's apples and oranges for starters.

Ted needs to walk the talk, I expect the Secret Service would welcome the target practice.
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Ted talks too much.
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Thankfully one of the posters here is providing an effective defense against the tyranny of the Federal government:

NORFOLK, VA—According to numerous reports, local 62-year-old Earl Bailey, who owns a shotgun and several boxes of ammunition, is currently the last bastion of defense between the United States of America and the federal government’s plot of a full-scale takeover.

Bailey, a recent retiree and a proud advocate of gun rights, has been confirmed by multiple sources as being a true patriot, and is, at present, the only person capable of preventing top-secret forces within the government from striking and forcefully coercing hundreds of millions of Americans to submit to a fascist and brutal New World Order.


http://www.theonion.com/article....ef=auto

My only question, is he Gunslinger or one of the others??


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Ted is a classic demagogue

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Perhaps Ted can use the experience and skills that he learned while fighting in Vietnam.

Ted caused a stink back then too, but it was to avoid carrying a gun.


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Obama is becoming dictatorial by issuing executive orders that adversely affect the citizenry without (or before) going through Congress. Regardless of how well intentioned he may be, dictating his own terms that can't/won't pass Congress is being tyrannical.

Have you even bothered to read those Executive Orders?

Well, here they are. Please cite which of them are tyrannical and adversely affect the citizenry, and please explain why. Be specific, if you don't mind:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


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I'm a gun owner and have been for decades.
I do not support the NRA's radical agenda and most certainly DO NOT agree with Ted Nugent on our President.
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I do not support the NRA's radical agenda and most certainly DO NOT agree with Ted Nugent on our President.

Ditto.

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My remark about Nugents Vietnam experience was a tongue in cheek reference. I was hoping that some one would check this chicken-hawks credentials.
I too am a gun owner, and have been for almost 50 years. At one time I did join the NRA, and was happy to support them. But, soon after I joined they started to get more political. Their job is to protect the 2nd Amendment, and promote the shooting sports. They decided to use their power, and the membership, to support the right instead of just the politicians who supported the RKBA. There have been many Democrats who supported gun owners, and voted accordingly. The NRA choose to send out flyer after flyer that had nothing but fear and panic in them. The only reason for these mailings was to raise funds. They are still at it. Many of their members believe all the drivel in these mailings, and send in additional money to support the NRA.
Obama would like to pass more gun control than many of us would like, but he is not an idiot. He can get some of what he wants,(more background checks, perhaps a FEW restrictions on firearms and/or magazines), but will not get near what the right wing is screaming about. If he would try to get that much, it would be political suicide, and it would also give both houses to the Republicans in two years. He knows this.
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Ted likes to shoot his mouth off.  
He claimed publicly that if Obama was reelected, he would be either dead or in jail.

Well Obama was reelected, and Ted is still walking the streets, shooting his mouth off.
It's a shame there are so many out there that actually believe what he says.
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I really don't care what any movie star, rock star or former rock star has to say. What makes them so important?
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My remark about Nugents Vietnam experience was a tongue in cheek reference. I was hoping that some one would check this chicken-hawks credentials.

See post #19, open the link, and read Nugent's own words about how he avoided service in Vietnam (which I'm sure you're already aware of).


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Pure idiocy

Was Bush senior and Bill Clinton a dictator for taking executive action to ban the importation of
some semiautomatic weapons? Obama didn't go that far at all.


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As far as I'm aware, none of the other EOs were contravening part of the US Constitution and specifically aimed at half the population, except Bush's Patriot Act and I objected with the same terms to that.

Bush's Patriot Act wasn't an "executive order", it was a bill passed by the Congress and signed into law by Bush.

PUBLIC LAW 107 - 56 - UNITING AND STRENGTHENING AMERICA BY PROVIDING APPROPRIATE TOOLS REQUIRED TO INTERCEPT AND OBSTRUCT TERRORISM (USA PATRIOT ACT) ACT OF 2001

So that's apples and oranges for starters.

Ted needs to walk the talk, I expect the Secret Service would welcome the target practice.

You're right. It wasn't the PA itself I was thinking of but some of his EOs that were incorporated into it, warrantless wiretapping for one.

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As far as I'm aware, none of the other EOs were contravening part of the US Constitution and specifically aimed at half the population, except Bush's Patriot Act and I objected with the same terms to that.

Bush's Patriot Act wasn't an "executive order", it was a bill passed by the Congress and signed into law by Bush.

PUBLIC LAW 107 - 56 - UNITING AND STRENGTHENING AMERICA BY PROVIDING APPROPRIATE TOOLS REQUIRED TO INTERCEPT AND OBSTRUCT TERRORISM (USA PATRIOT ACT) ACT OF 2001

So that's apples and oranges for starters.

Ted needs to walk the talk, I expect the Secret Service would welcome the target practice.

You're right. It wasn't the PA itself I was thinking of but some of his EOs that were incorporated into it, warrantless wiretapping for one.

Yeah, as I wrote in a different thread, the presidential cult of personality is one I've long been uncomfortable with: contrary to many's opinions I see the office as one of executive (follow out the instructions of the Congress, the people's representatives), NOT Imperial Leader. The exceptions to that are spelled out, Commander in Chief being the principle one.

Oh sure an Imperial President can seem like a neat idea when he's "our guy", but then, as is inevitable, the worm turns and lo and behold the president isn't "ours" anymore and oops, all of a sudden all those fun shortcuts bite back ....
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Is Ted still prohibited from hunting in the compact states?
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