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Well lets hope he does, after all he has been against sanctions on Iran, he has correctly pointed out that the Palestinians have been kept in chains, he correctly pointed out that the US is the bully in the world, and he's not pro Israel, why shouldn't he be confirmed?

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Perhaps because he is an idiot

I firmly believe that the President should be able to pick his cabinet

But I really wish he would do a better job....these people represent America


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An idiot? Or someone with whom you disagree?

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An idiot? Or someone with whom you disagree?

Exactly.  

And that's why, if there is any issue in getting him confirmed, it'll come from the party that has said no to nearly anything Pres. Obama touches. Hopefully, it doesn't come to that.


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Well lets hope he does, after all he has been against sanctions on Iran, he has correctly pointed out that the Palestinians have been kept in chains, he correctly pointed out that the US is the bully in the world, and he's not pro Israel, why shouldn't he be confirmed?

You have correctly pointed out the rightwing talking points that inform your opinion, which are largely incorrect on Hagel's actual record.

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Your suggesting that he has been a supporter of sanctions on Iran, feels that the Palestinians have been treated fairly, doesn't view the US as an aggressor in the world, and is pro Israel?

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Your suggesting that he has been a supporter of sanctions on Iran,

Yes, Senator Hagel advocated multilateral sanctions that he believed would be more effective than the sanctions he voted against. His objective is the same, which is to halt Iran's nuclear program. Link


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feels that the Palestinians have been treated fairly,

You've offered 2 options in regards to how Hagel "feels" about the Palestinians: that they have been kept in chains, and that they have been treated fairly. I doubt any person with an objective appreciation of the situation (including Hagel) subscribes to either of the simplistic options you've offered.


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doesn't view the US as an aggressor in the world,

That sounds like another simplistic good guy - bad guy meme. No doubt you have a specific quote in mind, but I won't try to guess what it is. (if you do provide a quote, make sure it's Hagel's actual words).


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and is pro Israel?

Yes, Senator Hagel has been consistent in supporting Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. I suspect your definition of "pro-Israel" means never criticizing Israel or the influence of AIPAC on US policy.


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Your suggesting that he has been a supporter of sanctions on Iran,

Yes, Senator Hagel advocated multilateral sanctions that he believed would be more effective than the sanctions he voted against. His objective is the same, which is to halt Iran's nuclear program. Link


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feels that the Palestinians have been treated fairly,

You've offered 2 options in regards to how Hagel "feels" about the Palestinians: that they have been kept in chains, and that they have been treated fairly. I doubt any person with an objective appreciation of the situation (including Hagel) subscribes to either of the simplistic options you've offered.


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doesn't view the US as an aggressor in the world,

That sounds like another simplistic good guy - bad guy meme. No doubt you have a specific quote in mind, but I won't try to guess what it is. (if you do provide a quote, make sure it's Hagel's actual words).


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and is pro Israel?

Yes, Senator Hagel has been consistent in supporting Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. I suspect your definition of "pro-Israel" means never criticizing Israel or the influence of AIPAC on US policy.

Damn... I know nothing about him, but after Montecristo's post, I was beginning to like the guy.

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Your suggesting that he has been a supporter of sanctions on Iran,

Yes, Senator Hagel advocated multilateral sanctions that he believed would be more effective than the sanctions he voted against. His objective is the same, which is to halt Iran's nuclear program. Link


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feels that the Palestinians have been treated fairly,

You've offered 2 options in regards to how Hagel "feels" about the Palestinians: that they have been kept in chains, and that they have been treated fairly. I doubt any person with an objective appreciation of the situation (including Hagel) subscribes to either of the simplistic options you've offered.


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doesn't view the US as an aggressor in the world,

That sounds like another simplistic good guy - bad guy meme. No doubt you have a specific quote in mind, but I won't try to guess what it is. (if you do provide a quote, make sure it's Hagel's actual words).


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and is pro Israel?

Yes, Senator Hagel has been consistent in supporting Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. I suspect your definition of "pro-Israel" means never criticizing Israel or the influence of AIPAC on US policy.

Clearly you listened to none of the testimony and grilling in his hearings yesterday. If so you would be aware of his words on these subjects.

And the Iranians are quite hopeful of his confirmation!!!


And republicans are pissed at him for his lack-lustre support for the Iraq war. That war mongering party doesn't like that.


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Wow, Hagel actually said at the hearing that he opposes all sanctions on Iran, that he believes the Palestians have been kept "in chains," that the US is an "aggressor in the world," and that he is anti-Israel?

If those were his actual words, then by all means he should not be confirmed!!!


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Get a transcript, read it, listen to senator Cruz, Graham, McCain.

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Old man McCain doing his "YES or NO" little dance was embarrassing.

Probably still upset wifey isn't getting to buy Corona.
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Get a transcript, read it, listen to senator Cruz, Graham, McCain.

My bet is he didn't say any of the words you've been putting into his mouth.

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Old man McCain doing his "YES or NO" little dance was embarrassing.

Probably still upset wifey isn't getting to buy Corona.

That was on the issue of the surge in Iraq which he was critical of. But yeah, nobody likes McCain.

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Get a transcript, read it, listen to senator Cruz, Graham, McCain.

My bet is he didn't say any of the words you've been putting into his mouth.

So your going to bet before reading the transcripts. Ok. Well he may well be confirmed, which may well be a good thing.

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