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Montecresto 
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Posted on: Jan. 30 2013, 9:08 pm |
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North Dakota lawmakers are looking to get tough on potential direct actions taken by President Barack Obama, proposing a bill to grant the Legislature the right to review, approve or reject any executive order issued by the president.
House Bill 1428 is designed to give legislators the power to suspend orders implemented unless the orders have been upheld by a vote of Congress.
http://www.willistonherald.com/news....7a.html
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AndyPandy
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Posted on: Jan. 30 2013, 9:54 pm |
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I think its cute when State Legislatures think that they can ignore the Constitution.
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Montanalonewolf
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Posted on: Jan. 30 2013, 10:10 pm |
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There's nothing clear in the Constitution that grants the power of an EO to the POTUS.
I think it's cute when a president singehandedly issues an order that has the same power of law as anything passed by all of Congress. Isn't more or less how dictators rule?
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Montanalonewolf
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Posted on: Jan. 30 2013, 10:24 pm |
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What's the fixation with 23?
The question is...
Do or don't dictators singlehandedly issue proclamations that have the power of law?
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Jan. 30 2013, 11:16 pm |
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Oh and "singlehandedly" no, the presidential executive orders and memoranda are not.
Executive Orders: Issuance and Revocation
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS20846.pdf
"The Constitution does not define these presidential instruments and does not explicitly vest the President with the authority to issue them. Nonetheless, such orders are accepted as an inherent aspect of presidential power, and, if based on appropriate authority, they have the force and effect of law."
Actions of "dictators" being based on nothing other than the dictator.
Whereas here we have:
"The Constitution does not contain any provisions that define executive orders or proclamations. The most widely accepted description appears to be that of the House Government Operations Committee in 1957:
Executive orders and proclamations are directives or actions by the President. When they are founded on the authority of the President derived from the Constitution or statute, they may have the force and effect of law.... In the narrower sense Executive orders and proclamations are written documents denominated as such.... Executive orders are generally directed to, and govern actions by, Government officials and agencies. They usually affect private individuals only indirectly. Proclamations in most instances affect primarily the activities of private individuals. Since the President has no power or authority over individual citizens and their rights except where he is granted such power and authority by a provision in the Constitution or by statute, the President’s proclamations are not legally binding and are at best hortatory unless based on such grants of authority. The difference between Executive orders and proclamations is more one of form than of substance.1"
Note the difference: "When they are founded on the authority of the President derived from the Constitution or statute, they may have the force and effect of law....
Founded on the authority.
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Feb. 01 2013, 4:09 pm |
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(Montanalonewolf @ Feb. 01 2013, 6:06 am)
QUOTE QUOTE Founded on the authority. Dictators' proclamations are also "founded on their authority". .....
Derived from the Constitution or statute and not standalone as in a dictatorship.
Which is the point. External to the office authority: The Constitution or statute. Very different.
"The most widely accepted description appears to be that of the House Government Operations Committee in 1957:
Executive orders and proclamations are directives or actions by the President. When they are founded on the authority of the President derived from the Constitution or statute, they may have the force and effect of law.... " and are also, unlike your fears, appealable to the courts which are the final authority.
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 01 2013, 7:15 pm |
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Owning a medical billing company and working for doctors, I can assure you they have a major problem with EO 16.
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 01 2013, 7:34 pm |
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You’re visiting a doctor because you have flu symptoms. After checking your heart, pulse and other vital signs, the doctor says, “By the way, the federal government has authorized me to ask you: What type and how many guns do you have in your home?"
While revealing a summarized version of President Obama’s executive order Wednesday, the White House has yet to publish the full details and scope of the orders, including the one relating to doctors and guns.
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 01 2013, 7:38 pm |
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If Bass was a doctor he'd be all over that wouldn't he. Doctors I know don't like the insinuation and see it as an encouragement to ask. Thankfully I know doctors who see it as none of their business.
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Montanalonewolf
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Posted on: Feb. 01 2013, 11:01 pm |
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If/when the government orders medical professionals to ask about guns in the home and some or all refuse, will they be held up as paragons of doctor/patient confidentiality or will they be vilified as are the sheriffs?
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 02 2013, 8:41 am |
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Well, some of them will be held in high esteem, and some will be vilified. Just like around this forum.
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 02 2013, 9:39 am |
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Oh I know your not, I said if. You might be in favour of that too I suppose. People already lie to their doctors all the time.
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