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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion....adlines

A solution I've long been supporting.
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I suspect the same people who gripe the most about illegal immigration will cry the loudest about ID cards involving Big Brother or the Mark of the Beast or some other such paranoid nonsense.
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An even better solution is the implanted RFID, Stop Worrying and Embrace the RFID.
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I want one that will monitor vital signs like BP, pulse, cholesterol, etc and would also include a pedometer and GPS and be wifi equipped so I could download the info.
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This has been an interesting political football in AZ.  They were among the early proponents of REAL ID, but the legislature then refused to comply when it was enacted (based on the good, old mark of the beast argument).

Eventually, though, they swung as far as possible in the other direction.  They not only endorse it, but there was actually talk of refusing to honor IDs of states that they didn't consider compliant enough with REAL ID, regardless of how the federal government judged that compliance.  I can't imagine the lunacy that could have unfolded if that interpretation of validity had carried the day.
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"Show me your papers!" will be a consequence of such a card.

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If illegal immigrants can’t get jobs, they won’t come to this country.

It's a given that they can and will find work. After all, crime still takes place even with heavy penalties when caught.


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It's a given that they can and will find work.


I won't disagree. The vast majority are honest, hardworking people - the best of their people. They come here for the same reasons that all have come here - to find a better life.

But this is the era of terrorism and Iran will soon be able to supply small suitcase nukes and dirty bombs to proxies that can easily be smuggled into the the US along with the present illegal guns and drugs. So the US must gain control of the borders and the people who enter. The OP article is directed to illegal workers. But even more important, I think, is national security.

A hard to counterfeit national ID, along with a powerful computer system that keeps track of who has left the US and who has entered legally, will help stop smugglers and terrorists. The advantage of RFID's implanted at birth is that monitoring can be done anywhere, including at ports of entry, without interfering with the lives of legal citizens. For example, an RFID reader in say, Memphis, could detect an illegal as they entered a Walmart.

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That is not exactly science fiction. RFID technology is still evolving. Keeping and updating your medical records on an implanted RFID as well as recent digital photos are already in the works. I feel sure that GPS tracking is at least being researched.
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Please let me know before they begin implanting the RFID chips so I have time to get through law school.  The 4th amendment cases would make me a VERY wealthy man.

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That is not exactly science fiction. RFID technology is still evolving. Keeping and updating your medical records on an implanted RFID as well as recent digital photos are already in the works. I feel sure that GPS tracking is at least being researched.

From there, it's only a matter of time before we'll be able to change our body chemistry from our iPads. Can't sleep, just dial in some extra melatonin. Need more energy, dial in some extra B12. The illegal drug trade will likely start coming from hackers who can alter body chemistry to induce intoxication.
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Tracking collars would be good too.

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A hard to counterfeit national ID ...

Making it harder to counterfeit only changes the means of circumvention.   People just buy real ones from corrupt government employees.   I can't remember the last time we went a whole year without at least one DMV clerk getting busted for selling IDs on the side.
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