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I heard an announcer on CNN Sunday morning talking about the Superbowl. She used the term "football heros".

That really irked me.

Really? Football heros? Football stars would be fine or football celebrities.

But, I think heros should be a term reserved for heroics such as what a soldier would do or what a cop would do or what someone does to save a life or prevent an accident.

But heros in football?? Let's stop that saying right now before the meaning of hero is degraded to imply that people playing a game are somehow above those who actually are heros.

Anyone agree? Or am I taking it too far?


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I agree.   I don't think they qualify as "heros".

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"football heros".

Within the context as clearly stated, of the game of football, sure why not.

And "hero" has already been degraded to the point of irrelevancy by it's overuse.
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I heard an announcer on CNN Sunday morning talking about the Superbowl. She used the term "football heros".

That really irked me.

Really? Football heros? Football stars would be fine or football celebrities.

But, I think heros should be a term reserved for heroics such as what a soldier would do or what a cop would do or what someone does to save a life or prevent an accident.

But heros in football?? Let's stop that saying right now before the meaning of hero is degraded to imply that people playing a game are somehow above those who actually are heros.

Anyone agree? Or am I taking it too far?

So what'd you think of the commercial about how if it wasn't for our soldiers making sacrifices overseas we wouldn't have a Superbowl to watch?
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It's ludicrous an disturbing at the same time.  They play a game, that is all.

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I heard an announcer on CNN Sunday morning talking about the Superbowl. She used the term "football heros".

That really irked me.

Really? Football heros? Football stars would be fine or football celebrities.

But, I think heros should be a term reserved for heroics such as what a soldier would do or what a cop would do or what someone does to save a life or prevent an accident.

But heros in football?? Let's stop that saying right now before the meaning of hero is degraded to imply that people playing a game are somehow above those who actually are heros.

Anyone agree? Or am I taking it too far?

So what'd you think of the commercial about how if it wasn't for our soldiers making sacrifices overseas we wouldn't have a Superbowl to watch?

I didn't watch the Superbowl game.

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So what'd you think of the commercial about how if it wasn't for our soldiers making sacrifices overseas we wouldn't have a Superbowl to watch?

I didn't see the game, so I can only imagine the commercial per your description.

Within the context of the last two wars... my thoughts are that if it weren't for the arrogance and ignorance of our GOP political leadership, the cowardice of the Democratic Party, and the general apathy and ignorance of our voting public -- five thousand more young American men and women could be enjoying the game -- instead of their lives snuffed out for dubious political purposes!!   :angry:

Our soldiers making sacrifices overseas?  Wasting their lives notwithstanding, America's political leadership also caused widespread death and destruction in Afghanistan and Iraq.  :angry:

And finally, ONLY the most arrogant and/or the most ignorant could view the events of these past few years and gloat about our self-inflicted "sacrifices"!!!  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:


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That pairing of words goes way back.
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I heard an announcer on CNN Sunday morning talking about the Superbowl. She used the term "football heros".

That really irked me.

Really? Football heros? Football stars would be fine or football celebrities.

But, I think heros should be a term reserved for heroics such as what a soldier would do or what a cop would do or what someone does to save a life or prevent an accident.

But heros in football?? Let's stop that saying right now before the meaning of hero is degraded to imply that people playing a game are somehow above those who actually are heros.

Anyone agree? Or am I taking it too far?

Maybe looking into what those 'football heros' do on their free time might help with what is being said?

Not all those players toss benjamins and costly champagne around in the local gentlemens club during off season.


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Maybe looking into what those 'football heros' do on their free time might help with what is being said?
Not all those players toss benjamins and costly champagne around in the local gentlemens club during off season.

And this is supposed to qualify them as heroes?


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Well if a sammich can be a hero...
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I guess since a football hero can actually get hurt, it is slightly more appropriate than calling someone a "guitar hero."

The word hero has been tossed around right and left since 9/11. I think a true hero has to risk something while helping others.
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The word hero has been tossed around right and left since 9/11.

You don't say?  Just like the song with that title...


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This might help?

See item #4.


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This might help?

See item #4.

Still the same underlying question... some roles / activities just don't seem that worthy of 'extreme admiration'.

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I'm a big fan of athleticism. You know who Daniel Komen is? If you can't admire someone who, twice, ran under 8 minutes for 2 miles, that's your particular concern. For me? No problem whatsoever; I'm a huge fan. And all he did was run around in circles.

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True, it's no mean feat to put oneself ahead of all others -- to compete, persevere, and win!

But I guess I subscribe to the more traditional understanding of heroism:  putting others ahead of oneself, and doing so in spite of danger to self!


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Like most words, I suspect the word "hero" reasonably has more than one application; and when it's qualified with a caveat like 'football' in front of it, or guitar, I don't see anything untoward about it; context is everything. Tt's not like anyone should be confusing with the exploits of Jimi Hendrix or Jerry Rice or Daniel Komen with, say, Mother Theresa.

I don't see that 'danger' has to be a part of it at all.

How about 'Super Heroes'?

Kids have sporting heroes all the time, always have had and I suspect always will. I don't think that's harmful.


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Maybe looking into what those 'football heros' do on their free time might help with what is being said?
Not all those players toss benjamins and costly champagne around in the local gentlemens club during off season.

And this is supposed to qualify them as heroes?

Well, if youre a inner-city child who participates in a football player sponsored program to help him or her, maybe so.

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I heard an announcer on CNN Sunday morning talking about the Superbowl. She used the term "football heros".

That really irked me.

Really? Football heros? Football stars would be fine or football celebrities.

But, I think heros should be a term reserved for heroics such as what a soldier would do or what a cop would do or what someone does to save a life or prevent an accident.

But heros in football?? Let's stop that saying right now before the meaning of hero is degraded to imply that people playing a game are somehow above those who actually are heros.

Anyone agree? Or am I taking it too far?

Maybe looking into what those 'football heros' do on their free time might help with what is being said?

Not all those players toss benjamins and costly champagne around in the local gentlemens club during off season.

I can almost see your point.

But, Bill Gates gives money and time to charities. Heck, even I do the same. But, that's "nice guy" status. Not heroic actions.


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Like most words, I suspect the word "hero" reasonably has more than one application; and when it's qualified with a caveat like 'football' in front of it, or guitar, I don't see anything untoward about it; context is everything. Tt's not like anyone should be confusing with the exploits of Jimi Hendrix or Jerry Rice or Daniel Komen with, say, Mother Theresa.

I don't see that 'danger' has to be a part of it at all.

How about 'Super Heroes'?

Kids have sporting heroes all the time, always have had and I suspect always will. I don't think that's harmful.

I see no danger either.  But it's kinda like "grade inflation" -- when more and more people are graded "above average" or even "excellent" -- that sort of thing.  Cheapens the meaning, sometimes, but hardly the worst of sins.


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I can handle game announcers using  the adjective "Heroic".  Some  players "save" games.  

But, I can't handle the adjective "Brilliant".

Joe Montana was the best QB I've seen, but even his Momma wouldn't describe what he did as "brilliant".


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Like most words, I suspect the word "hero" reasonably has more than one application; and when it's qualified with a caveat like 'football' in front of it, or guitar, I don't see anything untoward about it; context is everything. Tt's not like anyone should be confusing with the exploits of Jimi Hendrix or Jerry Rice or Daniel Komen with, say, Mother Theresa.

I don't see that 'danger' has to be a part of it at all.

How about 'Super Heroes'?

Kids have sporting heroes all the time, always have had and I suspect always will. I don't think that's harmful.

I see no danger either.  But it's kinda like "grade inflation" -- when more and more people are graded "above average" or even "excellent" -- that sort of thing.  Cheapens the meaning, sometimes, but hardly the worst of sins.

Now using a term "football heroes" is a sin? Or changing grade means is a sin?

I'd suggest it's not a sin at all. But, ymmv.


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Like most words, I suspect the word "hero" reasonably has more than one application; and when it's qualified with a caveat like 'football' in front of it, or guitar, I don't see anything untoward about it; context is everything. Tt's not like anyone should be confusing with the exploits of Jimi Hendrix or Jerry Rice or Daniel Komen with, say, Mother Theresa.

I don't see that 'danger' has to be a part of it at all.

How about 'Super Heroes'?

Kids have sporting heroes all the time, always have had and I suspect always will. I don't think that's harmful.

I see no danger either.  But it's kinda like "grade inflation" -- when more and more people are graded "above average" or even "excellent" -- that sort of thing.  Cheapens the meaning, sometimes, but hardly the worst of sins.

Now using a term "football heroes" is a sin? Or changing grade means is a sin?

I'd suggest it's not a sin at all. But, ymmv.

Figure of speech, W, or are you always this argumentative?   :D

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I think the entire concept of "sin" is simply silly.

Really - complaining about "grade inflation"? First World Problems, bro.


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