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The only public hearing on the Wisconsin Mining bill is today. Statements emailed during the hearing will be entered into the record the same as spoken testimony. You can also vote by email, just mention SB1in the header and body of your email. Or if you're able, come on down to the Capitol. It promises to be a lively day.
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They're voting on the bill in committees tomorrow. We need public input. Phones are down at the Capitol (coincidence??). They're trying to shut the public out of the process, they've released yet another bill with some minor, mostly cosmetic, changes... still no more public hearings to be held. The whole deal is just BAD. Bad bill, bad process, bad mine.

Information on the bill and mine, as well as contact links are within this thread in the Midwest forum:

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....2298692


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PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 06 2013, 11:00 am Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Anybody? You can argue with each other all day long, and I will admit it's fun. Here is an opportunity to DO something. We're getting steamrolled here and they've shut down the phones, just like the lights going out in the middle of the Super Bowl! Our seniors are some of our best interacters, they've been cut out of the action, as many are not online.

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PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 06 2013, 11:27 am Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

To be honest, I feel it's unethical to get involved in another state's business (though I'm sure special interests from outside Wisconsin don't feel the same way).

But I certainly feel your pain. It sounds similar to what NYS did with their new gun ban... declare an "emergency" meeting at midnight, vote in the wee hours, and ignore the constitutionally-mandated wait period. The process was just rank with corruption, and that upsets me 100-fold more than the ban itself.

I sincerely wish good luck to you and the rest of Wisconsin.


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Ah, but the Great Lakes we do share although they act as though Superior is theirs to do with as they please. A number of possible challenges relate to protections of the Lakes, especially against draw offs. Just the proposed initial draw off is 1.4 billion gallons and it's currently not legal.

I'm not asking anyone to portray themselves as anything they're not. But many of us have a concern over the future of the North Country Trail, the area's camping, fishing, and hunting opportunities, the area's parks, and of course the Lakes.


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Phones are down. Now they're running fire drills to interrupt Bob Jauch. They just ran a second drill.

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http://www.wiseye.org/Home/AirVideoStream.aspx

Here's the link if anyone wants to watch. It's certainly some lively stuff!


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Despicable.

Which representatives are on the fence? No need contacting those who already have their minds made up.


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Dale Schultz ought to vote against as he and Cullen have an alternate, more environmentally friendly bill out (which is hardly being discussed, although it also gives the mining company everything they SAY they want), but I wouldn't take anything for granted. I was told Luther Olsen could be on the fence. It's Tiffany's bill, so he is in charge of collecting public comment on. We were advised to send every thing we sent to Tiffany to Lehman who is also on the committee as well as a safeguard. Grothman and Darling are strong proponents, anyone else ought be fair game.

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Although they're voting against, the Dems are keeping track of public comment as well...gotta give them something to work with after all. Bob Jauch is giving it all he's got (if you've never heard this guy, you're in for a treat. Lehman isn't doing half bad either).

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Annnd they passed it out of committee...now it will go to the floor.

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Phones are down. Now they're running fire drills to interrupt Bob Jauch. They just ran a second drill.

If true at all... these resemble tactics that Russia or China might use.  But here in AMERICA?  Surely you jest.

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Would I kid you? Phones have been down since yesterday. Bob is devastating verbally. Darling tried to shut him down, and he just kept right on a going... oops fire drill, ok let's vote. I saw it, not once, but twice myself before I had to leave for a bit. There were further comments on all the fire drills on facebook, so it must have happened again.

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I could see something like that happening in a tiny community where one or two families hold sway and try to keep others out by hook and by crook.  But at the state level, what you described is truly sad -- and troubling.


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I thought I put the link here to watch as well as in the Midwest forum, I'll go get, you can see for yourself.
Yeah, we do things a little different around here these days. People look at you sideways when you start dropping the old F word, but what can you call it but fascism when the companies write their own laws and the public is shut out of the process? Just allowing us to watch them on TV is not an acceptable means of public interaction in the process. All the more distressing because we have always been known for our open government and progressive ways.


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http://www.wiseye.org/Home/AirVideoStream.aspx

Here's the link if anyone wants to watch. It's certainly some lively stuff!

Just so people know currently the first video is a CEO promoting his business and giving
business advice. After this is the video you're talking about(I think. Its a video which
looks to be in the Wisconsin legislature talking about this mining operation)


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They're voting on the bill in committees tomorrow. We need public input. Phones are down at the Capitol (coincidence??). They're trying to shut the public out of the process, they've released yet another bill with some minor, mostly cosmetic, changes... still no more public hearings to be held. The whole deal is just BAD. Bad bill, bad process, bad mine.

Information on the bill and mine, as well as contact links are within this thread in the Midwest forum:

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....2298692

Hey Star

Do you remember when James Sensenbrenner(one Wisconsin) shut off the microphones
of Democrats during a discussion on the patriot act in 2005?


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That link was for the live stream, it should be available as an archive now.Like I said, there'ssome interesting viewing there, you ought to give it a look see. I missed a big chunk myself.

The mikes they shut off all the time.That has become routine. You should have seen the public hearing on the mining bill. They gave us the smallest of hearing rooms, then opened a small overflow room...people in the halls that couldn't see or hear anything, they eventually opened further rooms. They announced Friday afternoon that they'd hold the hearing on Wednesday,leaving people to scramble for transportation and time off (yet somehow Americans for Prosperity knew three days before the announcement and had rooms and busses booked). They kept changing rules for testimony and submitting written testimony. The pro mining people were allowed to speak first. We were given two minutes to speak, questioning of our testimony was deemed further testimony and shut down... They could prattle on and on.an older Native gent called them on it, "We can answer questions too, you know?" Then they shut the hearing down with many many people still waiting to testify. Never mind they traveled several hours to attend. There has never been one hearing in the area of the mine.

It's just so BAD. I hate it!


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Tell you who really stepped up, The League of Conservation Voters. They paid thousands of dollars for a bus to bring the Bad River folk lacking transportation down, and kept us fed, watered, and coffeed through a very long day. They opened a room with audio/video equipment after it became apparent we would not be provided adequate access. They just totally rocked it! I can't say enough good about how they handled the situation.

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A much drier run down of the day.

http://m.host.madison.com/wsj....7a.html


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I was mistaken. It goes to the Joint Finance Committee, not the full Senate next. Now we'll have to find out who's on that committee. Lena Taylor was, and she's wonderful, but I'm not sure of the make up of this years committee. I'll have to find out and come back.

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http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/jfc/Pages/default.aspx

12 Republicans, 4 Democrats. At their discretion they can hold another public hearing or just vote it through to the floor. It's a public hearing we want. Even hundreds of miles from the area of the mine there hasn't been one hearing yet where mining supporters have outnumbered the opposition. That must have some value, as they haven't been able to pass a bill yet.


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It sounds like Wisconsin and NY have a lot in common. A couple years ago there was a controversial proposition for construction of a series of high voltage power lines through Upstate to feed Downstate. Not a single hearing was held Upstate, and they'd even change venues last-minute so those travelling from Upstate would arrive late, or not at all.

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Yeah, we're having that one too, except the power lines are to transport the power out of state. As in, we have no benefit from them, but we get to pay for them, and look at them, and of  course they're going to run them through a number of sensitive areas.

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I was following the Senate committee, the Assembly committee was meeting at the same time. Big hurry, you know. Check out this excellent testimony, and do notice how they find an excuse to clear the gallery before they vote.

http://m.youtube.com/#....LZOwbUQ


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I'm also curious as to who was clapping as the gallery was being cleared. People that were in the gallery said it wasn't them. Per the new rules if you get a citation you not only get a ticket you get banned.  Everyone I talked to said there was a scramble to get their stuff together and get out.

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