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Spain’s monthly wind-power output exceeded 6 terawatt-hours for the first time this month, enough to light most households, the nation’s wind lobby group said.

The milestone was passed yesterday from 3 p.m. to 4 p.m. local time, the Spanish Wind Energy Association said today in an e-mailed statement, citing data from Red Electrica de Espana, the grid operator.

“Since Nov. 1, wind has been the top technology in the electrical system,” the lobby group said in a blog posting. “The last time any technology exceeded 6 terawatt-hours of monthly generation was in 2010, when it was combined-cycle gas turbines.”

Wind has accounted for more power than any other energy source in the three months ending tomorrow, a first for any quarter, the wind association said.


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America is slipping in most all categories.

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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?
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+1.  We still have a leadership owned by fossil fuels, who keeps spreading the word that clean energy can't be had.  And idiots keep believing it.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is passing us by.


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Yet the US produces much more power from wind than Spain does, we just use a lot more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_States


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Yet the US produces much more power from wind than Spain does, we just use a lot more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_States

We have nearly 20x the land area that Spain does, and 6.6x the people.  Raw numbers are apples and oranges.  If they can do it with 3x the population density, we can do it too.


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In addition to the fossil fuel lobbies acting contrary to the interests of the public sadly in this country it is more often than not NIMBY

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Yet the US produces much more power from wind than Spain does, we just use a lot more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_States

Population of Spain - 47 million
Population of USA - 313 million

But if the point was that we, as a society, are big consumers - I would agree.
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But but how are you supposed to drive a big rig when it isn't windy? Or think about all the birds and horses that get chopped up in the blades?
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I think that is groundhogs, not horses.  Except maybe unicorns.   heh

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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?

It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined. And we need to buy fleets of drones for our LE.

What?  You think money grow on trees?


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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?

It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined. And we need to buy fleets of drones for our LE.

What?  You think money grow on trees?

So Ben you want the government to build all the new wind farms, solar arrays, etc. ?

How much of your portfolio is invested in green energy?


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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?

It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined. And we need to buy fleets of drones for our LE.

What?  You think money grow on trees?

So Ben you want the government to build all the new wind farms, solar arrays, etc. ?

How much of your portfolio is invested in green energy?

Mostly, I want our government to stop its war mongering and bring defense spending to a saner level -- which ought to be just a fraction of what it is today.  Maybe we can "just" spend more than China and Russia and Saudi Arabia combined -- instead of the total of 17 countries?  ???


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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?

It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined. And we need to buy fleets of drones for our LE.

What?  You think money grow on trees?

So Ben you want the government to build all the new wind farms, solar arrays, etc. ?

How much of your portfolio is invested in green energy?

Mostly, I want our government to stop its war mongering and bring defense spending to a saner level -- which ought to be just a fraction of what it is today.  Maybe we can "just" spend more than China and Russia and Saudi Arabia combined -- instead of the total of 17 countries?  ???

And what does that have to do with wind power.

We know your feelings about defense spending, you bring it up in almost every thread


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Potential meanings for acronym “LE”:
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1. LE postcode area, Leicester, United Kingdom
2. ISO 3166-2:IT code for the Province of Lecce, Italy
3. Lake Elsinore, California
4. Lę, a common Vietnamese surname
5. Le, the romanization of several Chinese surnames
6. le is a definite article in French and Italian
7. le is an indirect object pronoun in Spanish
8. LE for Livre égyptienne (Egyptian pound), the currency of Egypt
9. le for lóero, Hungarian for "horsepower"
10. Linear Executable, an OS/2 file format
11. LE editor, a simple text editor for unix-like operating systems
12. Leadwerks Engine, 3D game engine
13. "Less than or equal to", an inequality operator used in programming languages
14. Abellio Greater Anglia, National Rail abbreviation of British train operating company
15. Luxury edition, naming designator for high-end automobiles
16. Long Éireannach (LÉ), ship prefix for Irish vessels

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I know you guys are doing this since I complained about “MIC” and “Gang of 2”, but really… it’s the flippin’ 15th entry of 16 in the list (assuming that that’s what is meant).
I guess I simply don’t spend enough time on the Internet.

But, to the subject at hand, there is a hell of a lot of activity going on out there on this front: Norway was, IIRC, the leader in this tech only a few years ago. Then Germany started gaining, but China passed both up by applying government incentives directly to stimulate it (and China apparently has the largest supply or "rare earth" compounds in the world, making it easier for them to make the required magnet systems), and now we learn that Spain is "ramping up".

We are definitely falling behind on this, and I guess my question would be: What is the primary reason for this? Who's most responsible? Business? Big oil? Religion? Government? (Republicans or Democrats?) I have my own version of an answer, severely tilted (as usual) by my own preconceptions and biases...

Whaddya think?
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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?

It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined. And we need to buy fleets of drones for our LE.

What?  You think money grow on trees?

So Ben you want the government to build all the new wind farms, solar arrays, etc. ?

How much of your portfolio is invested in green energy?

Mostly, I want our government to stop its war mongering and bring defense spending to a saner level -- which ought to be just a fraction of what it is today.  Maybe we can "just" spend more than China and Russia and Saudi Arabia combined -- instead of the total of 17 countries?  ???

And what does that have to do with wind power.

We know your feelings about defense spending, you bring it up in almost every thread

Better to spend money on developing wind power -- or really, anything at all -- then on being the menace to the world.


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So Ben you want the government to build all the new wind farms, solar arrays, etc. ?

How much of your portfolio is invested in green energy?


I don't know how Ben feels, but I DO want the government to build new wind farms, solar arrays, etc.

I remember the government build Hoover Dam ...... and ALL of the big hydroelectric dams that are producing electric energy now. What is different about the government building and taking a leading role in wind farms, solar arrays, etc?
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It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined.

I don't have any issues with spending on defense. The problem is that so much of what is spent on the military is used offensively (in more than one meaning of the word).

But as long as the US is expected by so many around the planet to be the world's cop and morality guide, those costs won't drop.


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Gabby-- From the reference to drones, I took LE to be Law Enforcement.  

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You might want to ask Spain's unemployed if they really give a damn about wind turbines.

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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?

It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined. And we need to buy fleets of drones for our LE.

What?  You think money grow on trees?

Lol. Very good!

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This cannot be quoted often enough. Unfortunately, those that should have paid attention to the dire warning didn't and in the meantime the MIC has grown too big to fail, and America exists in a state of perpetual war to feed the hungry beast.

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You might want to ask Spain's unemployed if they really give a damn about wind turbines.

Well as a healthier economy, as a more efficient economy will be, means more jobs they can fill I expect they're enthusiastic about wind turbines as well as the overall attitude that improving the national infrastructure is an investment in their future.
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Actaully they are very concerned because the subsidies are being cut on wind power....you know....because they are basically broke

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Actaully they are very concerned because the subsidies are being cut on wind power....you know....because they are basically broke

You think our highway system, our airports, and our harbors all pay for themselves -- no government subsidies?  ???

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#1 subsidy: The US military protecting our petroleum interests.

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What is the alternative to highways, airports and harbors exactly???

Because if any of those could be replaced with infrastructure that pays for itself (like maybe a toll road) I am all for it

Otherwise we are juggling apples with our oranges

And does our govt hand out money to make plane tickets, highway tolls or harbor fees insexpensive enough to encourage people to use them?

We should obviously bankrupt our economy so we can take over the lead on wind energy


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Right on! for Espana!

So where are all those who repeatedly told us this was not possible?

It's not possible because we need to keep spending more on defense than the next 17 highest-spending countries combined. And we need to buy fleets of drones for our LE.

What?  You think money grow on trees?

So Ben you want the government to build all the new wind farms, solar arrays, etc. ?

How much of your portfolio is invested in green energy?

Mostly, I want our government to stop its war mongering and bring defense spending to a saner level -- which ought to be just a fraction of what it is today.  Maybe we can "just" spend more than China and Russia and Saudi Arabia combined -- instead of the total of 17 countries?  ???

And what does that have to do with wind power.

We know your feelings about defense spending, you bring it up in almost every thread

Better to spend money on developing wind power -- or really, anything at all -- then on being the menace to the world.

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