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Did the 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq deserve a vote? Do those civilians killed in Pakistan, A-Stan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. etc. deserve a vote??

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So what are you trying to say?

That a vote on something like Universal background is not warranted?

WHy are you trying to divert the issue?


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Is universal background checks a radical view?

No

You know what is?

Being opposed to it


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Gun control was the only part of the presidents speech that had any cadence to it.

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Ya but why did you try and tie to Iraq and so on in the OP?

What was the purpose of that?


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"Nearly three quarters (74 percent) of NRA members supported requiring a background check system “for all gun sales” in a January online survey by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (respondents were recruited offline using a probability sampling method). And a January New York Times/CBS News poll found 85 percent of people in households including an NRA member said they favor a law requiring background checks for all potential gun buyers. (Read a more detailed profile of these results here)."

And I agree, yes, yes they do deserve to be voted on.
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Yep which show just how far out of the mainstream the NRA leadership is that they even disagree
with their own membership by and large


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Here comes RUbio with all the phoney tiresome strawman arguments

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Rubio apparently has an itchy scalp

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According to Rubio(paraphrasing) said "Obama  CREATED more debt in four years than Bush did in 8 years"


Lie after Lie after lie

I wish Republicans would just STFU about debt and the deficit

In the numerous issues that make REpublicans look like liars and hypocrites
I think the issue of the debt makes them look in particular like hypocrites and
liars


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(Dennis The Menace @ Feb. 12 2013, 10:19 pm)
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So what are you trying to say?

That a vote on something like Universal background is not warranted?

WHy are you trying to divert the issue?

No. He is diverting the issue, the issue that is ongoing that he didn't mention.

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classic projection Monte

You divert the issue of background checks by bringing up Iraq and other issues unrelated to it then you accuse Obama of diverting the issue

Obama diverted nothing
Background check is without a DOUBT related to the issue of gun control


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Ya but why did you try and tie to Iraq and so on in the OP?

What was the purpose of that?

That's easy. He was pointing out certain individuals right to vote/life.

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HUH?

Obama's "they deserve a vote" was related to the Gun issue which  in turn was
related to a possible bill on background checks

Even if that was what he was talking about, you linking that to Iraq has NOTHING
to do with voter the issue of voter suppression here.

You're making no sense and are responding with very illogical responses


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classic projection Monte

You divert the issue of background checks by bringing up Iraq and other issues unrelated to it then you accuse Obama of diverting the issue

Obama diverted nothing
Background check is without a DOUBT related to the issue of gun control

Not really. The US has been killing INNOCENT civilians over the last decade. Tens of thousands of them. This is ignored, but psychotropic drug killers in the US get a big mention.

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WHich has NOTHING to do with the issue of background checks or voter suppression here,

You're problem is that you're so knee-jerk when it comes to any issue of gun regulations
but at the same time can't defend your positions with a logical argument that you thought
you confuse the issue and latch on to a unrelated issue to muddy the issue or so it appears

THe fact you can cite an issue you believe has been ignored has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
BACKGROUND CHECKS HERE that you tried to link with your title


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"Nearly three quarters (74 percent) of NRA members supported requiring a background check system “for all gun sales” in a January online survey by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (respondents were recruited offline using a probability sampling method). And a January New York Times/CBS News poll found 85 percent of people in households including an NRA member said they favor a law requiring background checks for all potential gun buyers. (Read a more detailed profile of these results here)."

And I agree, yes, yes they do deserve to be voted on.

A few individuals were singled out as deserving a vote. In the mean time hundreds of thousands of civilians in the ME have been killed and denied their votes. I don't consider the presidents "concern" to be so much about the individual as it is about the agenda.

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Monte

You can tell who has the agenda by who tries to muddies the waters with unrelated issues. There is
NOTHING Obama has done to take away anyone' rights in Iraq or that once again has ANYTHING to
with the issue of background checks. You're spewing red herring after red herrring


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And your having trouble assembling a sentence.

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posting fast so that is not surprising

But I rather have an occasional misspelling or so on than being inept in basic logic
as you have been

What does this have to do with the issue we have been discussing?

NOTHING

Thus this is yet another red herring by you


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The civilians that have been killed in the ongoing US wars in the ME are not a red herring, they are real dead humans. Your brothers dude.

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You don't know what a red herring is


Description of Red Herring

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the
original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to
another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

   Topic A is under discussion.
   Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
   Topic A is abandoned.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.


http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

THis is what you did


Your title says "THey deserve a vote" which makes reference to Obama using that phrase which was in
the context of the gun issue and specifically background checks so it makes it clear that TOpic
A is on the gun issue

Like I said you can refute the issue of background checks so you introduced irrelevant topic B(Iraq)
into the issue to confuse the issue of Topic A which was the GUn/background check


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Monte

See you could make a separate thread just on Iraq but then surprise surprise you try and then link it
the gun issue. THe reason is obvious. You can't debate on the actual issue of universal background checks
so you bring it up the irrelevant Topic B(Iraq) which has NOTHING to do with gun issues.

Of course what goes on in IRaq is important but you could have made a separate thread on that unrelated
to the gun issue but then doing that would defeat the purpose of you bringing up Iraq because the purpose
once again was to muddy the waters on what the actual issue was. It was to give the appearance of you
debating the issue of the gun issue without debating it but debating an unrelated issue.

Its obvious what you were trying to do


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They deserve a vote!

Harry Reid needs to push for a vote on Feinstein’s gun ban bill!

Americans deserve a vote to see which of their representatives are so eager to circumvent their Constitutional Rights.
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Many NRA members project an image of having an extra dose of courage, the "..from my cold dead fingers..." attitude....."I'll fight when Tyranny comes, even if others won't..."...

74% of NRA members disagree with their leader ref. background checks.

So...what I do not understand is their lack of courage(?) to confront their leadership and demand a policy change. As cowed by LaPierre as many politicians seem to be? A solidarity issue?

Puzzling.  There are NRA members in this forum, help me (a gun owner for over 60 years)  understand this (no sarcasm)....reinforces the "sheep" charge some level toward NRA membership.   


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They deserve a vote!

Harry Reid needs to push for a vote on Feinstein’s gun ban bill!

Americans deserve a vote to see which of their representatives are so eager to circumvent
their Constitutional Rights.


explain how something like universal background checks circumvents anyone's Constitutional Rights?


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Did the 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq deserve a vote? Do those civilians killed in Pakistan, A-Stan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. etc. deserve a vote??

Can you back up for those of us (OK, *me*) who are having problems understanding your logic?

"Deserve a vote" on what/where/how??


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Don't expect logic from Montecresto; he's trolling to amuse himself.

"They deserve a vote" is a reference to Obama's SOTUS speech in which he was urging the House GOP to allow a vote on gun control legislation. "They" was a reference to the victims of gun violence including the Sandy Hook massacre and others.

Now that you know the reference, you can see that Montecresto has no logic at all; he's merely trying to provoke a response.


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Urging the House GOP to allow a vote? A vote on what bill?

Why not a vote on the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 already in the Senate?

They deserve a vote! A simple vote!
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If the legislation gets past the Senate, it's up to the GOP-controlled House to allow a vote. I suppose it would have been more accurate for me to leave "House" out of my sentence.

BTW, what's up with the toppled pepper grinder in your avatar and why do you want someone to take it?


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