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Montecresto 
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:16 pm |
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Did the 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq deserve a vote? Do those civilians killed in Pakistan, A-Stan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. etc. deserve a vote??
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Killing one person is murder, killing a 100,000 is foreign policy
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:19 pm |
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So what are you trying to say?
That a vote on something like Universal background is not warranted?
WHy are you trying to divert the issue?
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:20 pm |
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Is universal background checks a radical view?
No
You know what is?
Being opposed to it
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:22 pm |
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Gun control was the only part of the presidents speech that had any cadence to it.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:24 pm |
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Ya but why did you try and tie to Iraq and so on in the OP?
What was the purpose of that?
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:28 pm |
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"Nearly three quarters (74 percent) of NRA members supported requiring a background check system “for all gun sales” in a January online survey by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (respondents were recruited offline using a probability sampling method). And a January New York Times/CBS News poll found 85 percent of people in households including an NRA member said they favor a law requiring background checks for all potential gun buyers. (Read a more detailed profile of these results here)."
And I agree, yes, yes they do deserve to be voted on.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:29 pm |
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Yep which show just how far out of the mainstream the NRA leadership is that they even disagree
with their own membership by and large
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:32 pm |
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Here comes RUbio with all the phoney tiresome strawman arguments
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:36 pm |
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Rubio apparently has an itchy scalp
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:44 pm |
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According to Rubio(paraphrasing) said "Obama CREATED more debt in four years than Bush did in 8 years"
Lie after Lie after lie
I wish Republicans would just STFU about debt and the deficit
In the numerous issues that make REpublicans look like liars and hypocrites
I think the issue of the debt makes them look in particular like hypocrites and
liars
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 10:50 pm |
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classic projection Monte
You divert the issue of background checks by bringing up Iraq and other issues unrelated to it then you accuse Obama of diverting the issue
Obama diverted nothing
Background check is without a DOUBT related to the issue of gun control
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:05 pm |
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HUH?
Obama's "they deserve a vote" was related to the Gun issue which in turn was
related to a possible bill on background checks
Even if that was what he was talking about, you linking that to Iraq has NOTHING
to do with voter the issue of voter suppression here.
You're making no sense and are responding with very illogical responses
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:16 pm |
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WHich has NOTHING to do with the issue of background checks or voter suppression here,
You're problem is that you're so knee-jerk when it comes to any issue of gun regulations
but at the same time can't defend your positions with a logical argument that you thought
you confuse the issue and latch on to a unrelated issue to muddy the issue or so it appears
THe fact you can cite an issue you believe has been ignored has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
BACKGROUND CHECKS HERE that you tried to link with your title
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:21 pm |
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Monte
You can tell who has the agenda by who tries to muddies the waters with unrelated issues. There is
NOTHING Obama has done to take away anyone' rights in Iraq or that once again has ANYTHING to
with the issue of background checks. You're spewing red herring after red herrring
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:24 pm |
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And your having trouble assembling a sentence.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:27 pm |
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posting fast so that is not surprising
But I rather have an occasional misspelling or so on than being inept in basic logic
as you have been
What does this have to do with the issue we have been discussing?
NOTHING
Thus this is yet another red herring by you
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:35 pm |
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The civilians that have been killed in the ongoing US wars in the ME are not a red herring, they are real dead humans. Your brothers dude.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:40 pm |
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You don't know what a red herring is
Description of Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the
original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to
another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html
THis is what you did
Your title says "THey deserve a vote" which makes reference to Obama using that phrase which was in
the context of the gun issue and specifically background checks so it makes it clear that TOpic
A is on the gun issue
Like I said you can refute the issue of background checks so you introduced irrelevant topic B(Iraq)
into the issue to confuse the issue of Topic A which was the GUn/background check
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 12 2013, 11:45 pm |
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Monte
See you could make a separate thread just on Iraq but then surprise surprise you try and then link it
the gun issue. THe reason is obvious. You can't debate on the actual issue of universal background checks
so you bring it up the irrelevant Topic B(Iraq) which has NOTHING to do with gun issues.
Of course what goes on in IRaq is important but you could have made a separate thread on that unrelated
to the gun issue but then doing that would defeat the purpose of you bringing up Iraq because the purpose
once again was to muddy the waters on what the actual issue was. It was to give the appearance of you
debating the issue of the gun issue without debating it but debating an unrelated issue.
Its obvious what you were trying to do
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2013, 7:36 am |
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They deserve a vote!
Harry Reid needs to push for a vote on Feinstein’s gun ban bill!
Americans deserve a vote to see which of their representatives are so eager to circumvent their Constitutional Rights.
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Old Frank
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2013, 9:42 am |
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Many NRA members project an image of having an extra dose of courage, the "..from my cold dead fingers..." attitude....."I'll fight when Tyranny comes, even if others won't..."...
74% of NRA members disagree with their leader ref. background checks.
So...what I do not understand is their lack of courage(?) to confront their leadership and demand a policy change. As cowed by LaPierre as many politicians seem to be? A solidarity issue?
Puzzling. There are NRA members in this forum, help me (a gun owner for over 60 years) understand this (no sarcasm)....reinforces the "sheep" charge some level toward NRA membership.
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2013, 12:46 pm |
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(Montecresto @ Feb. 12 2013, 10:16 pm)
QUOTE Did the 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq deserve a vote? Do those civilians killed in Pakistan, A-Stan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. etc. deserve a vote??
Can you back up for those of us (OK, *me*) who are having problems understanding your logic?
"Deserve a vote" on what/where/how??
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2013, 12:55 pm |
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Don't expect logic from Montecresto; he's trolling to amuse himself.
"They deserve a vote" is a reference to Obama's SOTUS speech in which he was urging the House GOP to allow a vote on gun control legislation. "They" was a reference to the victims of gun violence including the Sandy Hook massacre and others.
Now that you know the reference, you can see that Montecresto has no logic at all; he's merely trying to provoke a response.
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markinOhio
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2013, 1:09 pm |
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Urging the House GOP to allow a vote? A vote on what bill?
Why not a vote on the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 already in the Senate?
They deserve a vote! A simple vote!
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Drift Woody
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2013, 1:24 pm |
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If the legislation gets past the Senate, it's up to the GOP-controlled House to allow a vote. I suppose it would have been more accurate for me to leave "House" out of my sentence.
BTW, what's up with the toppled pepper grinder in your avatar and why do you want someone to take it?
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