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HighGravity 
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Posted on: Feb. 13 2013, 11:05 pm |
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All men. How 'bout that?
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BillBab
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 6:27 am |
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I realize that a lot of ignorant people see a no vote as meaning that they support violence against women
Instead , it means that these Senators actually read the bill and think it is a bad law
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 10:47 am |
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Yeah, like John Kerry saying, "I voted for it, before I voted against it".
Sometimes a bill looks good when it comes around in the preliminary, but latter after everyone has their tacked on agenda it looks terrible.
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 11:19 am |
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The Healthcare bill looked terrible in its final version, but it was a step in the right direction. Even if they thought this bill needed to be stronger, it was what could be passed at this time. However, I have my own opinion as to why those 22 voted against it, and it has nothing to do with wanting something stronger.
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 1:40 pm |
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Bad laws can be amended to make them better. Problems occur when the rest of the Senate do not agree that the changes are for the better. I did not read anything about those 22 offering amendments to strengthen the bill.
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george of the j
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 1:42 pm |
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I didn't read the bill and didn't even read the article linked to in the OP. My first impression is that this is another "feel good" law. It is already illegal in every state to beat up a woman. How about enforcing those laws rather than adding another law to the books? If you are let out on probation for beating a woman then adding another law isn't going to help.
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 1:58 pm |
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Um, this is a law that was passed and signed in 1994. The current vote was to renew the federal law that provided money to the states, and other things.
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HighGravity
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 5:00 pm |
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(BillBab @ Feb. 14 2013, 1:10 pm)
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(ol-zeke @ Feb. 14 2013, 11:19 am)
QUOTE The Healthcare bill looked terrible in its final version, but it was a step in the right direction. Even if they thought this bill needed to be stronger, it was what could be passed at this time. However, I have my own opinion as to why those 22 voted against it, and it has nothing to do with wanting something stronger. maybe they wanted something that does not violate the Constitution Since the whole is/is not a tax thing won't work with this law like it sort of did on obamacare And it is also a case of the feds overstepping since it would divert funds from domestic violence programs to sexual assault programs simply because the Fed govt said so rather than leaving the decision on the best use of the funds up to the state But I imagine that is because some group that offers support to victims of sexual assault lobbied for the $$$ This idea that we should have bad laws so we can save time is silly
Ya gotta love these clowns who want to claim every damn thing is un-Constitutional.
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High_Sierra_Fan
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 5:59 pm |
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(HighGravity @ Feb. 14 2013, 2:00 pm)
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(BillBab @ Feb. 14 2013, 1:10 pm)
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(ol-zeke @ Feb. 14 2013, 11:19 am)
QUOTE The Healthcare bill looked terrible in its final version, but it was a step in the right direction. Even if they thought this bill needed to be stronger, it was what could be passed at this time. However, I have my own opinion as to why those 22 voted against it, and it has nothing to do with wanting something stronger. maybe they wanted something that does not violate the Constitution Since the whole is/is not a tax thing won't work with this law like it sort of did on obamacare And it is also a case of the feds overstepping since it would divert funds from domestic violence programs to sexual assault programs simply because the Fed govt said so rather than leaving the decision on the best use of the funds up to the state But I imagine that is because some group that offers support to victims of sexual assault lobbied for the $$$ This idea that we should have bad laws so we can save time is silly Ya gotta love these clowns who want to claim every damn thing is un-Constitutional.
Well, to be fair, it is a refreshing change from "socialist".
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BillBab
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 6:13 pm |
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(HighGravity @ Feb. 14 2013, 5:00 pm)
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(ol-zeke @ Feb. 14 2013, 11:19 am)
QUOTE The Healthcare bill looked terrible in its final version, but it was a step in the right direction. Even if they thought this bill needed to be stronger, it was what could be passed at this time. However, I have my own opinion as to why those 22 voted against it, and it has nothing to do with wanting something stronger. maybe they wanted something that does not violate the Constitution Since the whole is/is not a tax thing won't work with this law like it sort of did on obamacare And it is also a case of the feds overstepping since it would divert funds from domestic violence programs to sexual assault programs simply because the Fed govt said so rather than leaving the decision on the best use of the funds up to the state But I imagine that is because some group that offers support to victims of sexual assault lobbied for the $$$ This idea that we should have bad laws so we can save time is silly Ya gotta love these clowns who want to claim every damn thing is un-Constitutional.
Only the clowns that can read
Stop pretending you can 
I will make it easy for you...write this down and have your parents explain it to you. You could be driving through an indian reservation and some nice girl could say you grabbed her a$$. Until this law passed, some tribal council could not throw you in jail forever. Mostly because the Constitution that was written by some old white guys that are waaay smarter than you and knew that kangaroo courts were a bad thing. Despite evolution and the power of the internet, they are still smarter than most people because they actually thought about things rather than just believing what they read in the headlines.
The only evidence that they were not altogether smart is that they did not imagine that there would be leislators that would vote for bills they had not read
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2013, 6:44 pm |
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Sounds like you just barfed up the talking points you from the right-wing entertainment
complex. What are your sources for making such claims as "You could be driving through an
indian reservation and some nice girl could say you grabbed her a$$. Until this law passed,
some tribal council could not throw you in jail forever."(as if right-wingers give a
cra* about what goes on in an Indian Reservation)
you certainly made no argument that it violated the constitution which is especially
stupid claim.
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 10:22 am |
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(BillBab @ Feb. 14 2013, 6:13 pm)
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(BillBab @ Feb. 14 2013, 1:10 pm)
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(ol-zeke @ Feb. 14 2013, 11:19 am)
QUOTE The Healthcare bill looked terrible in its final version, but it was a step in the right direction. Even if they thought this bill needed to be stronger, it was what could be passed at this time. However, I have my own opinion as to why those 22 voted against it, and it has nothing to do with wanting something stronger. maybe they wanted something that does not violate the Constitution Since the whole is/is not a tax thing won't work with this law like it sort of did on obamacare And it is also a case of the feds overstepping since it would divert funds from domestic violence programs to sexual assault programs simply because the Fed govt said so rather than leaving the decision on the best use of the funds up to the state But I imagine that is because some group that offers support to victims of sexual assault lobbied for the $$$ This idea that we should have bad laws so we can save time is silly Ya gotta love these clowns who want to claim every damn thing is un-Constitutional. Only the clowns that can read Stop pretending you can I will make it easy for you...write this down and have your parents explain it to you. You could be driving through an indian reservation and some nice girl could say you grabbed her a$$. Until this law passed, some tribal council could not throw you in jail forever. Mostly because the Constitution that was written by some old white guys that are waaay smarter than you and knew that kangaroo courts were a bad thing. Despite evolution and the power of the internet, they are still smarter than most people because they actually thought about things rather than just believing what they read in the headlines. The only evidence that they were not altogether smart is that they did not imagine that there would be leislators that would vote for bills they had not read
Great post.
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Lamebeaver
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 3:24 pm |
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What's wrong with violins against women?
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