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markinOhio 
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 4:48 pm |
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The President is very concerned about the long lines at polling stations. One way to cure this blight of mass lines at the polls would be to hire additional manpower and use improved technology. However, this would all cost money. What about simply imposing a nominal $10-15 fee on those citizens that chose to exercise their right to vote?
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 4:51 pm |
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Unconstitutional per the 24th Amendment.
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Lamebeaver
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 4:51 pm |
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Why don't we make it $15,000?
For some, that would still be considered nominal.....
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markinOhio
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 4:54 pm |
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Ok for the 2nd, but not the 24th….why?
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EastieTrekker
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 5:07 pm |
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(markinOhio @ Feb. 15 2013, 4:48 pm)
QUOTE The President is very concerned about the long lines at polling stations. One way to cure this blight of mass lines at the polls would be to hire additional manpower and use improved technology. However, this would all cost money. What about simply imposing a nominal $10-15 fee on those citizens that chose to exercise their right to vote?
Your point is moot. The "manpower" is most often performed by volunteers. There are many cost-less ways to deal with long lines, without resorting to costly technologies (not that I wouldn't welcome these technological advances).
But you got right to your point didn't you? This post has nothing to do with voting issues, rather just another backdoor, apples to oranges comparison of your paranoia about having your guns taken away. Boring, redundant, tired, etc.
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 5:29 pm |
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HSF, you're shooting fish in a barrel.
MIO is grasping at straws trying desperately to shoot down gun control on constitutional grounds, but he may as well be standing at ground zero in Chelyabinsk.
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 6:02 pm |
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Hey, don't dis the Brits -- I hear King Arthur was able to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring!
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 6:03 pm |
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I’m genuinely curious to know how individuals can justify a “fee” to exercise their right to bear arms, but oppose a “fee” to exercise other rights.
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 6:03 pm |
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As facetious as the OP was, I am suggesting we go to voting by mail for the entire US. No lines, no scandals, no need for massive polling places, all we need to do is insure everyone gets their ballot in the mail by the Friday before the actual Tuesday vote. Even drop boxes on Tuesday for those who forgot. The volunteers can drive folks to the drop boxes. The postage can be free, so there is no poll tax involved.
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markinOhio
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 7:49 pm |
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I’m in the rights militia.
I had no idea about the DROS, I was talking about the proposed fees in Colorado.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakin....kground
It is almost surreal to me, forced to pay a “fee” to exercises a right. I can fathom the idea that some people want to do away with all private ownership of firearms (I think they are 100%). But, as someone that cherishes freedom, all freedoms, I cannot understand how anyone can justify charging a “fee” to exercise a right.
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 8:00 pm |
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(markinOhio @ Feb. 15 2013, 4:49 pm)
QUOTE I’m in the rights militia. I had no idea about the DROS, I was talking about the proposed fees in Colorado. http://www.denverpost.com/breakin....kgroundIt is almost surreal to me, forced to pay a “fee” to exercises a right. I can fathom the idea that some people want to do away with all private ownership of firearms (I think they are 100%). But, as someone that cherishes freedom, all freedoms, I cannot understand how anyone can justify charging a “fee” to exercise a right.
It's the consequence of the "pay your own way" approach to government, ironically quite often favored by conservatives, as I see it. As in the postulate: "Why should people who are not purchasing a firearm subsidize the people who do require a background check?"
The processing of the background checks costs the state a significant amount of money: it's either going to come from the people enjoying the service or the general taxpayer. No free rides, as the sentiment goes.
Free speech is a right: I don't get my book published by the government on the taxpayers dime evenso.
That said I happen to be against that nickel and dime to death approach: like with National Parks and highways, the background check is for the "common good" of preventing some people from purchasing a potentially lethal weapon and so seems like to be best funded out of the general fund, like firefighting and police services. But that's not the direction things are heading: rather; use it: pay for it.
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markinOhio
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 8:51 pm |
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OK, maybe I’m just overreacting out of ignorance. What other right requires a fee?
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2013, 10:15 pm |
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The problems in the Florida election last November was to a large extent manufactured by our Florida legislature and governor. The number of early voting days was reduced from 2008 and voting the Sunday before the election was eliminated. When ask to add more early voting days after problems were coming to light the governor refused. When the same situation arose under Governor Charlie Crisp he added more early voting days which got him in trouble with the Republican Party. Some blame Governor Crisp for the Obama win in Florida.
Some counties made absentee ballots easy to obtain and many voters picked them up and handed the ballot in immediately. This helped but obvious not enough.
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When ballots prove to be a significant risk to public safety we might have a discussion Mark. You think the proliferation of firearms isn't a huge cost to the public? If so think again, this time critically.
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All freedoms when abused are a threat to public safety. The atrocities committed by governments mandated by voters have without question been a far greater threat to public safety throughout history than private gun ownership. Once you are able to think critically about the balance between individual freedom and the public good, without personal prejudice, and not simply blinded by emotion, then maybe we can have a discussion.
I still have not been able to find another right that requires a fee.
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Posted on: Feb. 16 2013, 1:48 pm |
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(cgaphiker @ Feb. 15 2013, 9:03 pm)
QUOTE
(High_Sierra_Fan @ Feb. 15 2013, 5:07 pm)
QUOTE ...first Tuesday in November. Choose wisely.  I believe that is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. 
#Humbled.
ETA: Huh, only set by Congress in 1845
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Posted on: Feb. 16 2013, 4:32 pm |
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The problem with charging the fee is that it allows the state to continue wasting money on the current system, which sucks....and is far from instant rather than coming up with a better way to do it
Colorado chooses to spend the money rather than simply allow FFL's to use the NICS system
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Posted on: Feb. 16 2013, 7:27 pm |
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Perhaps standing in a long line will help people remember that they voted
http://www.wcpo.com/dpp....aks-out
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