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I hope they slam that loophole shut.  Some of those aides may find it harder than expected to get certain jobs in the future.  Unfortunately, those who are aiming for Congress themselves will find the bar still set pretty low.
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I hope they slam that loophole shut.

Count our lucky stars that we are the most powerful nation on Earth -- and our national and foreign policies have far-reaching consequences all around the globe -- both intended and unintended.

Countries the world over regularly sponsor trips for congressional staffers -- or better yet, the congress men and women themselves!  Yes, these trips are designed to showcase the local side of the story -- which won't be unbiased.  And there will be entertainment thrown in as well.  But for the most part -- I'd rather Congress craft laws and regulations after gaining at least some first hand exposure  -- see and hear the other side of the story -- versus none at all.

In the ideal world, we would want to design and fund these "fact-finding" missions ourselves -- but seriously, how many here would vote tax dollars to pay for trips to Senegal or Bangladesh or any of the other 194 countries?


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I hope they slam that loophole shut.

Count our lucky stars that we are the most powerful nation on Earth -- and our national and foreign policies have far-reaching consequences all around the globe -- both intended and unintended.

Countries the world over regularly sponsor trips for congressional staffers -- or better yet, the congress men and women themselves!  Yes, these trips are designed to showcase the local side of the story -- which won't be unbiased.  And there will be entertainment thrown in as well.  But for the most part -- I'd rather Congress craft laws and regulations after gaining at least some first hand exposure  -- see and hear the other side of the story -- versus none at all.

In the ideal world, we would want to design and fund these "fact-finding" missions ourselves -- but seriously, how many here would vote tax dollars to pay for trips to Senegal or Bangladesh or any of the other 194 countries?

I would much rather have our government paying for it than another.  

Answering "Yes" to "Have you ever accepted money from a foreign government?" is going to bring a quick end to some job interviews.
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I would much rather have our government paying for it than another.  

Answering "Yes" to "Have you ever accepted money from a foreign government?" is going to bring a quick end to some job interviews.

As mentioned above, I too would prefer that we pay for our own "fact finding" trips.  But that's looking at it solely from our own point of view.  Turn the table around.  If you were a small or even middle size country -- and the 800-lb gorilla that is the US is constantly coming out with laws that affect your economy, your trade, etc. -- would you wait around for Congress to find money to come to you -- say in 20 years or perhaps never -- or would you rather be more proactive -- and either engage lobbyists in Washington -- or invite congress to come visit -- or both?

BTW, our own government and our own industries and companies also lobby / interact with governments around the world -- to influence them to crafting laws more to our advantage (or at least less to our disadvantage).  Goes both ways, every day.

The kind of jobs that former congressional staffers might be interested in...  having ready relationships with foreign officials may be seen as a very big plus, actually!  Accepting money is one thing.  Having gone on trips is quite another.


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The kind of jobs that former congressional staffers might be interested in...  having ready relationships with foreign officials may be seen as a very big plus, actually!  Accepting money is one thing.  Having gone on trips is quite another.

Having gone on trips that were paid for by foreign governments is accepting money.  You may feel the distinction is important, but the people who ask the questions do not.
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The kind of jobs that former congressional staffers might be interested in...  having ready relationships with foreign officials may be seen as a very big plus, actually!  Accepting money is one thing.  Having gone on trips is quite another.

Having gone on trips that were paid for by foreign governments is accepting money.  You may feel the distinction is important, but the people who ask the questions do not.

And then there's the blatant overbalance towards recreational activities versus sitting in rooms studying spreadsheets or touring factories and mines.
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The kind of jobs that former congressional staffers might be interested in...  having ready relationships with foreign officials may be seen as a very big plus, actually!  Accepting money is one thing.  Having gone on trips is quite another.

Having gone on trips that were paid for by foreign governments is accepting money.  You may feel the distinction is important, but the people who ask the questions do not.

And who are those people?  If enough of them view the way you do, then congressional staff won't embark on those trips. Thus far, I doubt it's even a problem.


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The kind of jobs that former congressional staffers might be interested in...  having ready relationships with foreign officials may be seen as a very big plus, actually!  Accepting money is one thing.  Having gone on trips is quite another.

Having gone on trips that were paid for by foreign governments is accepting money.  You may feel the distinction is important, but the people who ask the questions do not.

And then there's the blatant overbalance towards recreational activities versus sitting in rooms studying spreadsheets or touring factories and mines.

Money is tight everywhere.  I'm sure the host governments would rather not spend the money on rec's if they didn't feel like they have to.   :;):

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So much for the plan to get lobbyists out of govt

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The kind of jobs that former congressional staffers might be interested in...  having ready relationships with foreign officials may be seen as a very big plus, actually!  Accepting money is one thing.  Having gone on trips is quite another.

Having gone on trips that were paid for by foreign governments is accepting money.  You may feel the distinction is important, but the people who ask the questions do not.

And then there's the blatant overbalance towards recreational activities versus sitting in rooms studying spreadsheets or touring factories and mines.

Money is tight everywhere.  I'm sure the host governments would rather not spend the money on rec's if they didn't feel like they have to.   :;):

Yes but with the truth of "he who pays the piper calls the tune" I'm not at all comfortable with foreign governments with their own agendas not at all concerned with our national well being (and they shouldn't be of course) calling the tunes within our national legislature.
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So much for the plan to get lobbyists out of govt

The right of the people to petition the government is a good one. IMHO. That's what lobbyists do when they represent American citizens. Foreign governments I'm far less comfortable with.
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The kind of jobs that former congressional staffers might be interested in...  having ready relationships with foreign officials may be seen as a very big plus, actually!  Accepting money is one thing.  Having gone on trips is quite another.

Having gone on trips that were paid for by foreign governments is accepting money.  You may feel the distinction is important, but the people who ask the questions do not.

And then there's the blatant overbalance towards recreational activities versus sitting in rooms studying spreadsheets or touring factories and mines.

Money is tight everywhere.  I'm sure the host governments would rather not spend the money on rec's if they didn't feel like they have to.   :;):

Yes but with the truth of "he who pays the piper calls the tune" I'm not at all comfortable with foreign governments with their own agendas not at all concerned with our national well being (and they shouldn't be of course) calling the tunes within our national legislature.

I am not comfortable with it either.  But I think any kind of banning solution will be far worse.   Our staffers will just be that much more ignorant about things outside our borders...

And of course, we know we will never pay good money to hear what foreigners think about our laws.


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