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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 10:23 am |
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Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) believes that President Barack Obama and "most liberal Democrats" really want to repeal the Second Amendment.
On Thursday, conservative radio host Laura Ingraham asked Hatch, "Do you think, if he had his druthers, President Obama would repeal the Second Amendment?"
"I don't think there's any question about it. Most liberal Democrats would," Hatch replied. "I don't know of any liberal Republicans that would, but most liberal Democrats would. They'll mouth that they wouldn't, but look, what are they doing? They want more and more controls."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013....62.html
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 10:42 am |
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Would you expect anything else from the intellectual heir of Brigham Young? Mormons discovered at Mountain Meadows that it's much easier to massacre innocent people when fully armed.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 10:48 am |
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That has nothing to do with the op topic.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 10:56 am |
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Sure it does. Your topic is based on the "opinion" of one man who is spouting nonsense. His opinion is clouded by his beliefs. In other words, no one with any sense would give Hatch's opinion any credibility at all on the issue of the 2nd Amendment.
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 11:03 am |
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His opinion is supported by much political rhetoric on gun control from the left. Not by his faith. You don't even know what sense is.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 11:15 am |
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Nothing is said is based in fact. It's purely is opinion. His opinion on the topic is no more valid than Ted Nugent's or yours.
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Dennis The Menace
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 3:19 pm |
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(Montecresto @ Feb. 24 2013, 10:23 am)
QUOTE Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) believes that President Barack Obama and "most liberal Democrats" really want to repeal the Second Amendment. On Thursday, conservative radio host Laura Ingraham asked Hatch, "Do you think, if he had his druthers, President Obama would repeal the Second Amendment?" "I don't think there's any question about it. Most liberal Democrats would," Hatch replied. "I don't know of any liberal Republicans that would, but most liberal Democrats would. They'll mouth that they wouldn't, but look, what are they doing? They want more and more controls." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013....62.html
Ya, well demgogue right-wing Republicans will often say things they don't even believe in
because they think its a way to pander to their ignorant base and thus help them win their
next primary election(a Republican in Utah obviously would only have to worry about a
primary election rather than a general election)
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Montecresto
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:06 pm |
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No. Obama as senator and presidential candidate had some less than supportive things to say about guns. But let's wait and see where he falls on this issue ultimately. The DOJ has a summary paper right now that supports confiscation. Obviously it's far from law or policy. But anyone that denies the global trend of banning firearms to all citizens is naive.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:07 pm |
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(Dennis The Menace @ Feb. 24 2013, 3:19 pm)
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(Montecresto @ Feb. 24 2013, 10:23 am)
QUOTE Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) believes that President Barack Obama and "most liberal Democrats" really want to repeal the Second Amendment. On Thursday, conservative radio host Laura Ingraham asked Hatch, "Do you think, if he had his druthers, President Obama would repeal the Second Amendment?" "I don't think there's any question about it. Most liberal Democrats would," Hatch replied. "I don't know of any liberal Republicans that would, but most liberal Democrats would. They'll mouth that they wouldn't, but look, what are they doing? They want more and more controls." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013....62.htmlYa, well demgogue right-wing Republicans will often say things they don't even believe in because they think its a way to pander to their ignorant base and thus help them win their next primary election(a Republican in Utah obviously would only have to worry about a primary election rather than a general election)
Sure. And so will democrats. Partisans perpetuate America's woes.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:20 pm |
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Monte
This iteration of the Republican party are the kings of demagoguery
and when Democrats do demagogue they obviously will not say that most
liberal democrats want to repeal the 2nd amendment
So you acknowledge the guy you quoted probably doesn't even believe what
he said and just said it to rile up the base of his party?
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:23 pm |
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No, I don't acknowledge that. I'm just saying don't hold democrats elevated above republicans. Both parties are filth. A real constitutional party needs to arise if the US we have known is to survive.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:26 pm |
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One by one the remaining countries that have allowed private gun ownership have been repealing this right. The UN has stated that private gun ownership in America is an impediment to their global agenda.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:31 pm |
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I don't believe he was demagoguing. Absolutely not. He believes liberals ideally would prefer confiscation.
"The National Rifle Association has obtained a Department of Justice memo calling for national gun registration and confiscation. The nine page “cursory summary” on current gun control initiatives was not officially releasedby the Obama administration.
The DOJ memo states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation” and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.” Obama has yet to publicly support national registration or firearms confiscation, although the memo reveals his administration is moving in that direction."
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/little-falls-ny/T0BT2HU1NA4SJ9FHL
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:34 pm |
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Yes. I agree with senator Hatch that the ultimate goal for the US is total gun confiscation. Btw, I don't agree with him on anything else.
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Stirring up the base. This is as ridiculous a strawman as Sharia law.
Where is the proposed repeal legislation?
Where are the votes in Congress?
Where are the votes in the states to ratify?
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Your naive if you miss the trend, globally over the last few decades to deny private gun ownership. And the UN's agenda.
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(Dennis The Menace @ Feb. 24 2013, 4:46 pm)
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QUOTE Stirring up the base. This is as ridiculous a strawman as Sharia law.
Where is the proposed repeal legislation?
Where are the votes in Congress?
Where are the votes in the states to ratify? Ya its obviously stirring up the base. Last primary election Hatch was worried that he would become like Bennet(the previous conservative senator in Utah who lost in a primary challenge to a tea party because he was deemed not conservative enough for the tea party). Now I never liked Hatch ever since he defended the even more detestable Oliver North during the Iran-contra hearings in the 1980's he also one of the most corrupt politicians when it comes to lobbying for and conflict of interest for pharmaceutical industry Check this out http://www.csmonitor.com/2000/0719/p1s2.html/%28page%29/2
I agree with those assessments about Hatch.
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2013, 4:54 pm |
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and that question was Monte
If the government takes away ANY FIREARM(lets just say one firearm and its was about the
most lethal firearm you can think of that only the most lethal special ops operators would
use) from ANYONE(regardless of that person's criminal and psychological background) then
that is proof that the government wants to repeal the 2nd amendment?
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(Montecresto @ Feb. 24 2013, 4:48 pm)
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(Dennis The Menace @ Feb. 24 2013, 4:46 pm)
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QUOTE Stirring up the base. This is as ridiculous a strawman as Sharia law.
Where is the proposed repeal legislation?
Where are the votes in Congress?
Where are the votes in the states to ratify? Ya its obviously stirring up the base. Last primary election Hatch was worried that he would become like Bennet(the previous conservative senator in Utah who lost in a primary challenge to a tea party because he was deemed not conservative enough for the tea party). Now I never liked Hatch ever since he defended the even more detestable Oliver North during the Iran-contra hearings in the 1980's he also one of the most corrupt politicians when it comes to lobbying for and conflict of interest for pharmaceutical industry Check this out http://www.csmonitor.com/2000/0719/p1s2.html/%28page%29/2I agree with those assessments about Hatch.
one of those assessments about Hatch was that Hatch was
"stirring up the base"
if you agree with that you've contradicted yourself
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