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Not only have Republicans politiicians within the last couple of years been proposing to due
away with the voting rights act(like in the Texas Republican party platform) but we now have
Scalia saying statements leaving no doubt where he stands on the issue as well using
inflammatory rhetoric


"Now, I don't think that's attributable to the fact that it is so much clearer now that we
need this," Scalia said of the VRA's continued reauthorization, according to the Supreme
Court transcript. "I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to a phenomenon
that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement. It's been written about. Whenever a
society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the
normal political processes."


http://www.businessinsider.com/scalia-....PKsoovo

http://www.economist.com/blogs....hts-act

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle....ressman

I guess the right-wing just isn't content to be right-wing, they must move it as far to the
right as they can possibly move it.


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As rightly pointed out by Associate Justice Sotomayor voting is most definitely and absolutely NOT a "racial entitlement"
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Only in the way it is applied

http://pjmedia.com/jchrist....says-so


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Only in the way it is applied

http://pjmedia.com/jchrist....says-so

Scraping from the dregs at the bottom of the echo chamber yet again babb?

Does the fact that most of your link come from such crap sources not occasionally give you pause for thought? Or are you genuinely that there's some sort of secret truth that you are somehow uncovering?

You're an engineer right? Do you scrape the corners of the internet for all your information to make decisions there or do you base them all on sound learning and practice?

It just strikes me as weird that you don't appear to have the ability to question validity of the crap you post? Doesn't the fact you have to constantly scrape the barrel for supporting links at least raise a few flags for you?
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Clearly, we still need the Voting Rights Act at this juncture in at least some locales (just based on events in Florida and elsewhere), though I'd agree that it would be a good thing to have a periodic study and review of some kind (comparison data on voting percentages, etc.) to, if nothing else, verify that the law is having some kind of positive effect.

Like most everything else, they could do "test cases" in randomly chosen locations - or maybe we simply give Shelby County a shot at it and see if they screw up or not. (Are there any valid complaints for the duration of the "probation period"? kind-of-deal.) I truly don't understand why we can't have at least some flexibility in these things, though I'm sure it all comes back down to lack of interest by the legislative branch, lack of time, or simply gross attempts at "political finagling" by individuals with an agenda.
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Martin Luther King, Jr.had a dream that "one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and little white girls as sisters and brothers".  Hard to picture, but that dream actually required years of courage, determination, blood, sweat and tears to achieve!

But now, it's time for America to dream bigger -- to dream the ultimate dream!  Paraphrasing Mr. King:  "I dream that one day in America, children will hold hands as brothers and sisters -- completely unaware of their skin color -- because their parents no longer look upon that silliness as an issue -- the way their grandparents did.

It may be a long road yet, but we are going to have to take the first step at some point.  Imagine an America without gerrymandering by race in any shape or form -- an America with no more 'quotas' formal or informal -- and an America where racila profiling is viewed obscene and absurd.  An America where the only thing that shows about you is your own character.

Not sure what Scalia had in mind -- pure or ulterior -- but I want to see our nation's racial wounds to finally heal and disappear -- not just band aided and picked at over and over in perpetuity.  My own hunch is that too many politicians and bureaucratic administrators wish to keep the race issue alive -- not to overcome, but to exploit!


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No further comments about the so-called "racial entitlements"? Or did I inadvertently doused the partisan crossfire by viewing this as a national  issue?  ???

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Well you know it was amusing. This is what Scalia said

And this last enactment, not a single vote in the Senate against it. And the House is pretty
much the same. Now, I don’t think that’s attributable to the fact that it is so much clearer
now that we need this. I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to a phenomenon
that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement. It’s been written about. Whenever a
society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the
normal political processes.


"It’s been written about"

Ya but written about by who? Why Scalia himself

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So you find it amusing to fan the flames of partisanship?  Because that's all you ever do here!  Wish there were more people -- like Dr. King -- who was genuinely interested in bettering our nation.  Because no progress can be achieved by solely putting down others.  Do you do anything else , Dennis?

I see your posts and those of Billbab as opposite sides of the same counterproductive coin.  Food for thought.


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There we go
The classic ben
the self-righteous ben

I haven't seen this side of you for a while.

How about you Ben?

Is this the same ben that once equated Tom to Khomeini because he simply disagreed with you?
what?

Well anyway typical mischaracterization of what I said

I was obviously referring to, I mean explicitly even said it, that Scalia was referencing
himself

How could possibly conclude what I was talking about had anything to do with "So you find it amusing to fan
the flames of partisanship"

You willfully mischaracterize me

What are you contributing when you so blatantly mischaracterize me and then attack me
without provocation

Whats a matter with you?


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Yes, we have our moments -- and I don't deny my own mishaps.

But re-read the thousands  of your own threads.   How many of them are NOT an attack or a mockery of 'the other side'? Zero or thereabouts.  And constructive criticisms?  Same answer.

Yeah, I knew you wouldn't be giving this much thought -- but would feel instantly indignant.  Figures that someone who only ever attack others would be pretty grossly egoistic.


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Anyone who uses the phrase "racial entitlement" and isn't talking about white entitlement is either completely clueless or completely dishonest.

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Anyone who uses the phrase "racial entitlement" and isn't talking about white entitlement is either completely clueless or completely dishonest.

It's why I caveated above that I do not know the intentions of Scalia.

I too would like to see the eventual dismantle of such legislation as the Voting Rights Act -- not because I disagree with the right to vote, but because I want us to get to the point where racism is finally a non issue.


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Yes, we have our moments -- and I don't deny my own mishaps.

But re-read the thousands  of your own threads.   How many of them are NOT an attack or a mockery of 'the other side'?  Pretty much every single one?  
Versus how many are actually constructive?  Zero or thereabouts.

Yeah, I knew you wouldn't be giving this much thought -- but would feel instantly indignant.  Figures that someone who only ever attack others would be pretty grossly egoistic.

OMG

you're lecturing me about attacking people after you just attacked me without provocation?

My gaad are you thick Ben

Oh and so when you attack its "moment" but everyone else its different. Classic Ben hypocrisy

Of course what would a Ben post be without extreme hyperbolic rhetoric such as "Pretty much
every single one?   Versus how many are actually constructive?  Zero or thereabouts."

and ben, you're really going to lecture us on "giving thought"

you really do take hypocrisy to an extreme don't you?

The irony is you could decide to talk about the issue you claim to want to talk about yet you are
deciding to attack me. I'm only responding to YOUR attack YOU INITIATED


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Figures that someone who only ever attack others would be pretty grossly egoistic.  End of story.   :;):

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"Figures that someone who only ever attack others"

^^ classic dishonest hyperbolic statement from Ben


Oh this such BS

'I see your posts and those of Billbab as opposite sides of the same counterproductive coin"

the only thing that is opposite to Billbab and I are our political views.

Billbab routinely uses right-wing sources, While I will use left-wing sources
I will also use just as much sources like factcheck.org or politifact

The idea that Billbab puts anywhere near the level of detail or thought that I do is the
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superficial shallow dishonest assertion I would expect from you ben


I find amusing this whole line of attack on how I attack people when out of the blue
Ben initiates an attack on me


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Martin Luther King, Jr.had a dream that "one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and little white girls as sisters and brothers".  Hard to picture, but that dream actually required years of courage, determination, blood, sweat and tears to achieve!

But now, it's time for America to dream bigger -- to dream the ultimate dream!  Paraphrasing Mr. King:  "I dream that one day in America, children will hold hands as brothers and sisters -- completely unaware of their skin color -- because their parents no longer look upon that silliness as an issue -- the way their grandparents did.

It may be a long road yet, but we are going to have to take the first step at some point.  Imagine an America without gerrymandering by race in any shape or form -- an America with no more 'quotas' formal or informal -- and an America where racila profiling is viewed obscene and absurd.  An America where the only thing that shows about you is your own character.

Not sure what Scalia had in mind -- pure or ulterior -- but I want to see our nation's racial wounds to finally heal and disappear -- not just band aided and picked at over and over in perpetuity.  My own hunch is that too many politicians and bureaucratic administrators wish to keep the race issue alive -- not to overcome, but to exploit!

^^ BTW the above is nothing but a empty mindless platitude.

It doesn't address at all Scalia's remark which is the subject of the OP but then Ben has
the gall to ask in his next post "No further comments about the so-called "racial
entitlements"? and then later on to say "Yeah, I knew you wouldn't be giving this much
thought". Well Ben you didn't add any "thought" on the subject so look in the mirror(and as
HSF said voting isn't a "racial entitlement")


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dennis the little troll is now on attack rampage  :laugh:  :laugh:

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said the hypocrite who continues to attack while accusing me of attacking

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BTW if Ben thinks I'm a troll then why is Ben continuing to respond to me?

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because now you amuse me

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who would continue to respond to someone they believe is a troll
other than a fool?


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who would continue to respond to someone they believe is a troll
other than a fool?

:O   :O   :O

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Yes it is amusing


Ben shifting from supposedly demanding serious discussion to what now?


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Yes [I am] amusing


Ben shifting from supposedly demanding serious discussion to what now?

fixed it for you  and answering your question, it's coming down to dennis' level.   :;):


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The level that compares people to khomeini simply because they disagree with them
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No Ben that is you

The level where someone totally misrepresents what meant by " amusing"?

No that is you ben

The level that consists of mindless platitudes that doesn't address the OP?

No that is you ben


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Hey Ben

is this you being the "christian"?

is this one of your "moments"? ben?


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The level that compares people to khomeini simply because they disagree with them

You fail to see the logic there, because -- like many brainless Americans who see only black and white -- you view Khomeini as some kind of evil.

I do not.  Khomeini is a complicated person with many sides.  However, one aspect that he did share with Tom is the penchant for viewing his own beliefs as correct and thus, how everyone else's must be wrong... no if's or but's whatsoever.

BTW, God willing, I hope to travel to Iran this winter.

See how much you miss -- by being ever so partisan and simplistic?


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You fail to see the logic there, because -- like many brainless Americans who see only black
and white -- you view Khomeini as some kind of evil.


Like most brainless comments from you, you don't know WHAT my view of Khomeini is yet in
your willfull ignorance(and arrogance) you think you do

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I do not.  Khomeini is a complicated person with many sides.  However, one aspect that he did share with Tom is the penchant for viewing his own beliefs as correct and thus, everyone else's must be wrong... no if's or but's whatsoever.

BTW, God willing, I hope to travel to Iran this winter.  :;):

See how much you miss -- by being so partisan and simplistic in your views of the world?


Oh the irony. Ok so lets revisit that thread in which you compared Tom to Khomeini

Here is the post in which you equated Tom to  Khomeini(post 115)


Which was in respond to Tom only saying the following in post 114

And Ben responds with yet another conclusory assertion, entirely unsupported by fact or
logic.

If that's what you think, what's your basis for thinking it?  Are you disputing any of the
specifics of my characterization of it (and if so, on what basis)? What factual support is
there for your position?  What is the logic supporting it?

You haven't offered any of these things so far.  But hey, anything is possible, so maybe
eventually you will.

Edit: Also, because this question really is at the heart of the whole discussion: what do
you think the purpose of elections is?


Tom was only trying to get yout to make a logical, thoughtful and intelligent argument for
that you equated him to Khomeini


So that how you role Ben. You typically don't add substance to your posts or certainly
not with much logical or intelligence and when someone just simply tries to get you to do
that you equate them to Khomeini

Nuff said


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your rage and hot air are amusing, dennis -- oh the hurt in you  :D

how many more "partisan attack" threads will you be writing up this afternoon?   later.  :O


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