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The videotaped claims of two women, made with their faces obscured, were posted on the conservative Web site the
Daily Caller. The site reported that “the two women said they met Menendez around Easter at Casa de Campo, an
expensive 7,000-acre resort in the Dominican Republic. .&#8201;.&#8201;. They claimed Menendez agreed to pay them $500 for sex
acts, but in the end they each received only $100.”

Daily Caller Editor Tucker Carlson did not reply to phone calls and e-mails requesting comment.


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An escort who appeared on a video claiming that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) paid her for sex has told Dominican
authorities that she was instead paid to make up the claims and has never met or seen the senator, according to
court documents and two people briefed on her claim.

The woman said a local lawyer had approached her and a fellow escort and asked them to help frame Menendez and a
top donor, Salomon Melgen, according to affidavits obtained by The Washington Post.

That lawyer has in turn identified a second Dominican lawyer who he said gave the woman a script and paid her to
read the claims aloud.
The first lawyer said he found out only later that the remarks would be videotaped and
used against Menendez, the affidavits say.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic....ry.html


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More on the story:
Escort Says Paid to Lie

From the article:

But the doctor and senator face other problems. Menendez still faces an ethics inquiry on Capitol Hill and the doctor is involved in a federal criminal investigation.
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http://dailycaller.com/2013....gations

Curioser and Curioser

debunking the debunkers


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if only the Daily Caller had the credibility of the Washington Post

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FBI agents conducting interviews in the Dominican Republic have found no evidence to
back up allegations, initially made by an anonymous tipster, that Menendez had patronized
prostitutes, according to two people briefed on their work.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic....ry.html


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You're right Dennis, we must believe what these Dom Rep hookers are now claiming.  Any hooker who previously admitted to having sex with Menendez is a liar.  They aren't lying now, and they haven't been paid and pressured to change their story.

Just be open minded.  We don't know where this story will end up.


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You're right Dennis, we must believe what these Dom Rep hookers are now claiming.  Any hooker who previously admitted to having sex with Menendez is a liar.  They aren't lying now, and they haven't been paid and pressured to change their story.


ya that's the ticket. People calling the prostitutes liars(actually I never called the
prostitutes liars) say that NOT because that's what she admitted in OFFICIAL COURT DOCUMENTS
because we are politically motivated to call them liars. You on the other hand have NO
motivation to believe this story the right-wing media has been promulgating all this time
because you have such a rational non-partisan track record on this forum. Give me a break

HAHAH. paid to change their story when she said they were PAID to spew the lie you're
barfing up? What didn't you understand about this part -> she was instead paid to make up
the claims and has never met or seen the senator
& hat lawyer has in turn identified
a second Dominican lawyer who he said gave the woman a script and paid her to read the claims
aloud. T


So we have the Washington Post on the one hand versus the Uber right-wing partisan Daily Caller
(funded by billionaire right-winger Foster Friess) who would has a partisan motivation
to take down a Democratic senate and lets not kid ourselves, these kinds of dirty tricks are
so in line with right-wingers are all about and especially today's right-wingers.

We have a prostitute willing to go on record in official capacity in court documents which we
know her name were she DENIES the allegations Daily Caller accuses Menendez of versus
prostitutes Daily Caller claims accuse Menendez of who have NOT gone forward in official
capacity((to our knowledge) and who we do NOT know their names.


"Just be open minded.  We don't know where this story will end up."

The only reason why you said that is its a Democrat and you've probably been listening
and watching numerous right-wing media on this very subject.

So tell me walking, which right-wing media sources have you been following on this?


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You're right Dennis, we must believe what these Dom Rep hookers are now claiming.  Any hooker who previously admitted to having sex with Menendez is a liar.  They aren't lying now, and they haven't been paid and pressured to change their story.

Just be open minded.  We don't know where this story will end up.

That reasoning overlooks the lawyer confessing a crime.  That's not such an easy thing to buy.  It seems more plausible that they never expected having to withstand FBI scrutiny, and once the real heat was on they recognized a good opportunity to come clean.
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oh ya.

Daily caller versus the FBI

see post 5


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She said VS she said but when it comes down to it, why does it matter if someone paid a hooker? Or not...

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Lying bs stories come out of left wing media as well. Such partisan positions don't advance our overall interests.

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Monte

That is one of those tiresome false equivalences again. There is no equivalent on the left to the
way the right-wing media and in particular Fox news peddles these various stories from
Briebart or Daily Caller or fill in your right-wing blog of choice. The examples on the left
are few compared to the example on the right. The right-wing echo machine is in a separate
category


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I didn't see this mentioned in any of the linked stories.  The Newark Star-Ledger published an editorial statement today in which they repeated that they and several other newspapers in NJ and NY were approached with these allegations just before the election.  None of newspapers were willing to go public because the sources didn't provide  even a minimal basis for their claims.  However, the Star-Ledger has been conducting their own investigation in the Dominican Republic for over three months and has still come up empty.  They have other issues with Menendez, but this isn't one of them. (They have been hammering away at him pretty regular as of late).
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and the classic reason the right-wing will give for those newspapers not doing a story on it is
because they are "liberally biased".

LOL!!


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The Topic Title of this thread is not "filled with or expressing excessive zeal....esp for a political cause."  Nope.  Not at all.
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if people are wondering what that last reply from Kenv is about, its about an early thread
in which Kenv essentially was asserting I was a fanatic and so here he is essentially
saying the title of the thread is evidence that I'm a fanatic.

You can see Kenv's warped logic here and how I eviscerated it here

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....1161353


Eviscerating Kenv's post is easier than breathing. The last example was when Kenv kept on
asserting that ATF didn't regulate the firearms industry despite quote after quote from
ATF's own website saying just that.


Ok so I wonder how long this back & forth will go on this time?


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Dominican prosecutors say the Daily Caller paid the lawyer to concoct the Menendez story and recruit prostitutes to make false claims in interviews. (Newark Star-Ledger, 3/23).
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The videotaped claims of two women, made with their faces obscured, were posted on the conservative Web site the
Daily Caller. The site reported that “the two women said they met Menendez around Easter at Casa de Campo, an
expensive 7,000-acre resort in the Dominican Republic. .&#8201;.&#8201;. They claimed Menendez agreed to pay them $500 for sex
acts, but in the end they each received only $100.”

Daily Caller Editor Tucker Carlson did not reply to phone calls and e-mails requesting comment.


But


An escort who appeared on a video claiming that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) paid her for sex has told Dominican
authorities that she was instead paid to make up the claims and has never met or seen the senator, according to
court documents and two people briefed on her claim.

The woman said a local lawyer had approached her and a fellow escort and asked them to help frame Menendez and a
top donor, Salomon Melgen, according to affidavits obtained by The Washington Post.

That lawyer has in turn identified a second Dominican lawyer who he said gave the woman a script and paid her to
read the claims aloud.
The first lawyer said he found out only later that the remarks would be videotaped and
used against Menendez, the affidavits say.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic....ry.html

Come on man, that's what your worried about today. There are far more important issues than his personal problems.

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Monte

That is one of those tiresome false equivalences again. There is no equivalent on the left to the
way the right-wing media and in particular Fox news peddles these various stories from
Briebart or Daily Caller or fill in your right-wing blog of choice. The examples on the left
are few compared to the example on the right. The right-wing echo machine is in a separate
category

The Democratic Party is not superior to the GOP. they both are running us into the ground. STOP........being so partisan. NOW, that's an order! Lol.

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(Montecresto @ Mar. 25 2013, 11:33 pm)
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(Dennis The Menace @ Mar. 04 2013, 11:08 pm)
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The videotaped claims of two women, made with their faces obscured, were posted on the conservative Web site the
Daily Caller. The site reported that “the two women said they met Menendez around Easter at Casa de Campo, an
expensive 7,000-acre resort in the Dominican Republic. .&#8201;.&#8201;. They claimed Menendez agreed to pay them $500 for sex
acts, but in the end they each received only $100.”

Daily Caller Editor Tucker Carlson did not reply to phone calls and e-mails requesting comment.


But


An escort who appeared on a video claiming that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) paid her for sex has told Dominican
authorities that she was instead paid to make up the claims and has never met or seen the senator, according to
court documents and two people briefed on her claim.

The woman said a local lawyer had approached her and a fellow escort and asked them to help frame Menendez and a
top donor, Salomon Melgen, according to affidavits obtained by The Washington Post.

That lawyer has in turn identified a second Dominican lawyer who he said gave the woman a script and paid her to
read the claims aloud.
The first lawyer said he found out only later that the remarks would be videotaped and
used against Menendez, the affidavits say.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic....ry.html

Come on man, that's what your worried about today. There are far more important issues than his personal problems.

First of all who the hell are you to say what is an important issue? You routinely promote ignorant and
idiotic conspiracy theories that have NO basis in reality like this idea that the DOJ wants to consfiscate
guns of which you have NO evidence to back up (including your false claims that the DOJ have this memo
saying that they called for confiscation of which you have failed to show that memo despite you
continuing to claim you have).

Also this wasn't today. THis thread was created on March 4th. I mean did you even bother to read the date of
the post ou just replied from me? Must you be this idiotic so often?

This was about a right-wing media source promulgating(funded by a billionaire) a false story to essentially
take a Democratic politician out and now apparently that went so far as to pay the prostitutes to lie
to take this Democratic politician out.  The thing to keep in mind is that isn't an isolated incidence
(although the part about paying people to lie to take down a politician you don't hear every day). If you have
ever heard of people like James Okeefe and the late Briebart, then you should know that this fits a pattern.

Only those who ignorantly promulgate the "both sides do it equally" or other similar narratives would try and dismiss
this article. If you're going to make the argument that "both sides do it equally" then provided evidence.


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Monte

That is one of those tiresome false equivalences again. There is no equivalent on the left to the
way the right-wing media and in particular Fox news peddles these various stories from
Briebart or Daily Caller or fill in your right-wing blog of choice. The examples on the left
are few compared to the example on the right. The right-wing echo machine is in a separate
category

The Democratic Party is not superior to the GOP. they both are running us into the ground. STOP........being so partisan. NOW, that's an order! Lol.

The Democratic party is superior to the GOP not because Democrats are so good but because Republicans,
today's Republicans are so bad. You're no interested in the reasons why since I've given countless and
countless arguments why. You say "The Democratic Party is not superior to the GOP" simply because you
start with a talking point that they are equally bad. This is simply a belief you have that has no
basis in reality. Its like when you said "Democrats overwhelmingly supported the republican war in Iraq."
and then I showed you the exact voting breakdown that showed more Democrats in congress voted against
the war resolution but then instead of admitting you wrong you doubled down on your belief that
"Democrats overwhelmingly supported the republican war in Iraq."

You're simply not interested in the facts but you sure as hell are interested in promulgated your
factless cult like narratives you want to promulgate.

Furthermore I've already established you don't have a clue what partisan means. You think simply writing a tough
fact based article that is more tough on Republicans, but still is critical on Democrats, is partisan

So hope about this Monte, how about posting some posts that aren't so damn superficial and shallow?


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You're no[t] interested in the reasons why since I've given countless and countless arguments why.

Indeed.  :O


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and that would include you to Ben

right?

Just label away using that "partisan" label without actually refuting anything I actually say


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The videotaped claims of two women, made with their faces obscured, were posted on the conservative Web site the
Daily Caller. The site reported that “the two women said they met Menendez around Easter at Casa de Campo, an
expensive 7,000-acre resort in the Dominican Republic. .&#8201;.&#8201;. They claimed Menendez agreed to pay them $500 for sex
acts, but in the end they each received only $100.”

Daily Caller Editor Tucker Carlson did not reply to phone calls and e-mails requesting comment.


But


An escort who appeared on a video claiming that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) paid her for sex has told Dominican
authorities that she was instead paid to make up the claims and has never met or seen the senator, according to
court documents and two people briefed on her claim.

The woman said a local lawyer had approached her and a fellow escort and asked them to help frame Menendez and a
top donor, Salomon Melgen, according to affidavits obtained by The Washington Post.

That lawyer has in turn identified a second Dominican lawyer who he said gave the woman a script and paid her to
read the claims aloud.
The first lawyer said he found out only later that the remarks would be videotaped and
used against Menendez, the affidavits say.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic....ry.html

Come on man, that's what your worried about today. There are far more important issues than his personal problems.

oh and Monte

thread like the following is more important?

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....1163722


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(Montecresto @ Mar. 25 2013, 11:33 pm)
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(Dennis The Menace @ Mar. 04 2013, 11:08 pm)
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The videotaped claims of two women, made with their faces obscured, were posted on the conservative Web site the
Daily Caller. The site reported that “the two women said they met Menendez around Easter at Casa de Campo, an
expensive 7,000-acre resort in the Dominican Republic. .&#8201;.&#8201;. They claimed Menendez agreed to pay them $500 for sex
acts, but in the end they each received only $100.”

Daily Caller Editor Tucker Carlson did not reply to phone calls and e-mails requesting comment.


But


An escort who appeared on a video claiming that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) paid her for sex has told Dominican
authorities that she was instead paid to make up the claims and has never met or seen the senator, according to
court documents and two people briefed on her claim.

The woman said a local lawyer had approached her and a fellow escort and asked them to help frame Menendez and a
top donor, Salomon Melgen, according to affidavits obtained by The Washington Post.

That lawyer has in turn identified a second Dominican lawyer who he said gave the woman a script and paid her to
read the claims aloud.
The first lawyer said he found out only later that the remarks would be videotaped and
used against Menendez, the affidavits say.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic....ry.html

Come on man, that's what your worried about today. There are far more important issues than his personal problems.

oh and Monte

thread like the following is more important?

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....1163722

Now you are just pathetic, dennis.  Not amusing anymore.

Good night to you, buddy.   :O


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(Dennis The Menace @ Mar. 25 2013, 10:31 pm)
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(Dennis The Menace @ Mar. 04 2013, 11:08 pm)
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The videotaped claims of two women, made with their faces obscured, were posted on the conservative Web site the
Daily Caller. The site reported that “the two women said they met Menendez around Easter at Casa de Campo, an
expensive 7,000-acre resort in the Dominican Republic. .&#8201;.&#8201;. They claimed Menendez agreed to pay them $500 for sex
acts, but in the end they each received only $100.”

Daily Caller Editor Tucker Carlson did not reply to phone calls and e-mails requesting comment.


But


An escort who appeared on a video claiming that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) paid her for sex has told Dominican
authorities that she was instead paid to make up the claims and has never met or seen the senator, according to
court documents and two people briefed on her claim.

The woman said a local lawyer had approached her and a fellow escort and asked them to help frame Menendez and a
top donor, Salomon Melgen, according to affidavits obtained by The Washington Post.

That lawyer has in turn identified a second Dominican lawyer who he said gave the woman a script and paid her to
read the claims aloud.
The first lawyer said he found out only later that the remarks would be videotaped and
used against Menendez, the affidavits say.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic....ry.html

Come on man, that's what your worried about today. There are far more important issues than his personal problems.

oh and Monte

thread like the following is more important?

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....1163722

Now you are just pathetic, dennis.  Not amusing anymore.

Good night to you, buddy.   :O

As usual Ben contributes nothing to a thread and then says I'm the one that is being pathetic

This is the usual inanity and projection from Ben

"Good night to you"

ya now watch ben continue to reply as usual


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I don't favor giving any side a pass for using smear tactics and lies. Beck, Breitbart, Limbaush et al. are at least as egregious as Michael Moore, and certainly more prolific. When the Koch brothers finance marketing companies to pose as "research centers" like the Heartland Institute for the purpose of distorting the truth and spreading misinformation, they should draw the outrage of anyone interested in the truth, and not the praise of partisans that want to win the political game with no regard to honesty. There is far more concern over personalities then veracity. Most of the hate for Moore is about his opinions, not so much about the accuracy of his claims.

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I find myself in strong support of that statement.

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I don't favor giving any side a pass for using smear tactics and lies. Beck, Breitbart, Limbaush et al. are at least as egregious as Michael Moore, and certainly more prolific. When the Koch brothers finance marketing companies to pose as "research centers" like the Heartland Institute for the purpose of distorting the truth and spreading misinformation, they should draw the outrage of anyone interested in the truth, and not the praise of partisans that want to win the political game with no regard to honesty. There is far more concern over personalities then veracity. Most of the hate for Moore is about his opinions, not so much about the accuracy of his claims.

Ya I definitely would put the Beck, Breitbart, Limbaush,savages, Mark Levin's, etc.. in
a different class than the Michael Moore both in terms of accuracy(not that Moore is
especially accurate) but especially in terms of hate(the only radio host on the left that is
even remotely on the same level in terms of hate as those right-wing radio hosts is Mike
Malloy but last I checked he is only on a scant 13 radio stations excluding Sirius and XM
Satellite Radio).  You also will not find the Democratic party even close to beholden to
a left-wing media as the Republican party is to the right-wing media.

But its not just differences in accuracy and hate but what you just alluded to when you
said 'When the Koch brothers finance marketing companies to pose as "research centers" like
the Heartland Institute for the purpose of distorting the truth and spreading misinformation'
. The right-wing media infrastructure is really so much better financed than the left's.


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George Soros comes to mind.

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