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Instead of knee jerking, exploiting, posturing and taking political advantage of dead children, some folks are actually being pragmatic and doing something to prevent violence;

http://news.yahoo.com/post-sa....55.html


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Instead of knee jerking, exploiting, posturing and taking political advantage of dead children, some folks are actually being pragmatic and doing something to prevent violence;

http://news.yahoo.com/post-sa....55.html

Come to their senses?  Really?  Where?  How?   ???


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Instead of knee jerking, exploiting, posturing and taking political advantage of dead children, some folks are actually being pragmatic and doing something to prevent violence;

http://news.yahoo.com/post-sa....55.html

The irony is so thick we'd need a chainsaw to get through it.
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Instead of knee jerking, exploiting, posturing and taking political advantage of dead children, some folks are actually being pragmatic and doing something to prevent violence;

http://news.yahoo.com/post-sa....55.html

The irony is so thick we'd need a chainsaw to get through it.

Scary part -- I don't believe the irony was intended... or even perceived.   :;):


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When I hold you in my arms (oh yes)
When I feel my finger on your trigger (oh yes)
I know nobody can do me no harm
Because
happiness is a warm gun, momma
Happiness is a warm gun
-Yes it is.
Happiness is a warm, yes it is...
Gun!
Well don't ya know that happiness is a warm gun, momma? (yeah)


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Ahem,

Forgot rose colored glasses are standard equipment for some;

A day after the Georgia legislature ended bans on guns in bars, churches, and college classrooms, South Dakota passed the first law in the US aimed expressly at allowing school districts to arm teachers.


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Ahem,

Forgot rose colored glasses are standard equipment for some;

I prefer my rose colored glasses to those duct tape covered lenses that seem to be so popular with many of the gun folks.
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Glimmer of hope for sanity;

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013....e-house


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Honestly, I don't see how scrapping a proposed law that would call for a background check equates to: "sanity".
There is nothing sane about the insane having unchecked access to firearm purchases.
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Honestly, I don't see how scrapping a proposed law that would call for a background check equates to: "sanity".
There is nothing sane about the insane having unchecked access to firearm purchases.

That's the first step in a national registration so the next step can be implemented and an unconstitutional overreach.

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Honestly, I don't see how scrapping a proposed law that would call for a background check equates to: "sanity".
There is nothing sane about the insane having unchecked access to firearm purchases.

That's the first step in a national registration so the next step can be implemented and an unconstitutional overreach.

First off, I don't buy that "first step" propaganda.

But if you are opposed to background checks, how do you propose we keep firearms out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them?
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PLEASE!

Could we just have a rational discussion about health care in this country without all these distractions?

We could start with the serious lack of mental health care professionals, a situation that has clearly led to widespread paranoia in many quarters...
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Honestly, I don't see how scrapping a proposed law that would call for a background check equates to: "sanity".
There is nothing sane about the insane having unchecked access to firearm purchases.

That's the first step in a national registration so the next step can be implemented and an unconstitutional overreach.

First off, I don't buy that "first step" propaganda.

But if you are opposed to background checks, how do you propose we keep firearms out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them?

OK, this is how the first step works;

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews....rmament

Second, I feel background checks are fine with the way the laws are now with the exception of vastly strengthening  the mental health link to the database. The Colorado shooter and Adam Lanza are two glaring examples of major failures I would like to see addressed by all sides in the debate and quickly implement some sane, rational and pragmatic laws into the system.

Thirdly, severe punishment for those that break the gun laws and stopping of the revolving door attitude judges have with a lot of these folks.

BTW, this has nothing to do with the topic, but thanks for your demeanor and attitude in wording your rebuttal.  :)


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I feel background checks are fine with the way the laws are now with the exception of vastly strengthening  the mental health link to the database.

The background checks now do not address the sale of firearms outside of the gun shop - correct?  So you're okay with that?  You're okay with unregulated firearm sales to those who shouldn't have them?  And any rational attempt to regulate firearm sales is just a veiled step towards Nazi Germany?
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  • http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews....rmament

    Second, I feel background checks are fine with the way the laws are now with the exception of vastly strengthening  the mental health link to the database. The Colorado shooter and Adam Lanza are two glaring examples of major failures I would like to see addressed by all sides in the debate and quickly implement some sane, rational and pragmatic laws into the system. [**]

    Thirdly, severe punishment for those that break the gun laws and stopping of the revolving door attitude judges have with a lot of these folks. [***]

    BTW, this has nothing to do with the topic, but thanks for your demeanor and attitude in wording your rebuttal.[****]

  • The NRA produces a huge campaign of fear and paranoia.
    [**] The NRA publicly promotes enforcement of current laws, but blocks funding.
    [***] The NRA makes a public show of supporting those who are tough on firearms violations, but politically assassinates them with support of their opponents in elections.
    [****] It's easy to work with those who go along with the NRA agenda, even if you're only showing how charming the NRA tries to appear (while they're simultaneously working to defeat any gun control whatsoever).
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    Instead of knee jerking, exploiting, posturing and taking political advantage of dead children, some folks are actually being pragmatic and doing something to prevent violence;

    So... arming school teachers is not "knee jerking, etc." and that's going to prevent violence?  LOL... okey-dokey.

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    I feel background checks are fine with the way the laws are now with the exception of vastly strengthening  the mental health link to the database.

    The background checks now do not address the sale of firearms outside of the gun shop - correct?  So you're okay with that?  You're okay with unregulated firearm sales to those who shouldn't have them?  And any rational attempt to regulate firearm sales is just a veiled step towards Nazi Germany?

    nbfa,
    Here are some facts for you to review about gun sales outside of gun stores;

    http://blog.heritage.org/2013....oophole

    http://www.governing.com/gov-dat....ap.html

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news....-overbl

    Rational steps are fine, however, IMO, that is not the objective with the majority of those on the other side sorry to say. It's too bad because I'm sure there are some great, useful ideas that could be culled from that side to the issue of criminals getting guns. It's just hard to hear their voices over the white noise by the hard core anti's.


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    It's just hard to hear their voices over the white noise by the hard core anti's.
    Your insinuation here is that the NRA, and people like yourself, are NOT generating a lot of noise (white, black or gray) in order to make it impossible to pass rational controls? HA!!
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    Instead of knee jerking, exploiting, posturing and taking political advantage of dead children, some folks are actually being pragmatic and doing something to prevent violence;

    So... arming school teachers is not "knee jerking, etc." and that's going to prevent violence?  LOL... okey-dokey.

    We arm airplane pilots, we arm security guards in banks, we arm people protecting nuclear plants, we arm the president and his children!

    You have an issue with protecting children?

    There are police in lots of schools all across this county!


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    It's just hard to hear their voices over the white noise by the hard core anti's.
    Your insinuation here is that the NRA, and people like yourself, are NOT generating a lot of noise (white, black or gray) in order to make it impossible to pass rational controls? HA!!

    Hi Gabby!

    I never said I am in lockstep with the NRA. There are just as many "gun nuts" generating white noise on that side for sure. I didn't point it out thinking most understood that.

    First, I am not a member of the NRA and second I have been a registered democrat all my life!

    Careful when you assume Gabby! HA!  :D


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    We arm airplane pilots, we arm security guards in banks, we arm people protecting nuclear plants, we arm the president and his children!

    You have an issue with protecting children?

    There are police in lots of schools all across this county!
    We need to go even further! WHY NOT?

    I'd like to see walls around every school, topped with barbed wire.

    Let's make sure to let those kiddos know that it's a tough world, and there are hundreds - no, thousands - of armed gunmen out there looking for them.

    Let's surround the walls with minefields, and then create a maze-like path through all of it. We can have secret passcodes at the gates, and armed sentries in towers, watching the horizon for the hordes of approaching gunmen. On one Saturday each month, we can have practice drills so the kids learn the secret passcodes and the hidden path through the minefields.

    Yeah, we may lose a few kiddos here and there, but the ones who survive will be tougher and stronger. Just think what good soldiers they'll make!
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    We arm airplane pilots, we arm security guards in banks, we arm people protecting nuclear plants, we arm the president and his children!

    You have an issue with protecting children?

    There are police in lots of schools all across this county!
    We need to go even further! WHY NOT?

    I'd like to see walls around every school, topped with barbed wire.

    Let's make sure to let those kiddos know that it's a tough world, and there are hundreds - no, thousands - of armed gunmen out there looking for them.

    Let's surround the walls with minefields, and then create a maze-like path through all of it. We can have secret passcodes at the gates, and armed sentries in towers, watching the horizon for the hordes of approaching gunmen. On one Saturday each month, we can have practice drills so the kids learn the secret passcodes and the hidden path through the minefields.

    Yeah, we may lose a few kiddos here and there, but the ones who survive will be tougher and stronger. Just think what good soldiers they'll make!

    Gabby, Gabby, Gabby!

    Soooo over the top today. Come on, tell us what is eating you?

    I still think your awesome!  :D


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    Rational steps are fine, however, IMO, that is not the objective with the majority of those on the other side sorry to say. It's too bad because I'm sure there are some great, useful ideas that could be culled from that side to the issue of criminals getting guns. It's just hard to hear their voices over the white noise by the hard core anti's.

    Again, I don't buy in to the secret agenda crap, never have.  And to use that excuse as the basis for an argument against rational regulations is absurd, IMO.

    To give credit where credit is due however, those who make money from such fears have done a great job of convincing people to be scared.
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    Rational steps are fine, however, IMO, that is not the objective with the majority of those on the other side sorry to say. It's too bad because I'm sure there are some great, useful ideas that could be culled from that side to the issue of criminals getting guns. It's just hard to hear their voices over the white noise by the hard core anti's.

    Seriously?   :laugh:  You're funny.

    Do yourself a favor and do a search on threads you've initiated in this forum.  I'm pretty sure you're the poster child of "white noise makers".

    Imo, the objective of the majority of the gun-control side is, in fact, to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, whether they're criminals or mentally unstable.  It seems to me that objective of the anti-gun-control side is simply to make sure that they get to keep their guns and buy more without restriction.


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    Rational steps are fine, however, IMO, that is not the objective with the majority of those on the other side sorry to say. It's too bad because I'm sure there are some great, useful ideas that could be culled from that side to the issue of criminals getting guns. It's just hard to hear their voices over the white noise by the hard core anti's.

    Again, I don't buy in to the secret agenda crap, never have.  And to use that excuse as the basis for an argument against rational regulations is absurd, IMO.

    To give credit where credit is due however, those who make money from such fears have done a great job of convincing people to be scared.

    OK, fair enough. :)

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    Imo, the objective of the majority of the gun-control side is, in fact, to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, whether they're criminals or mentally unstable.

    "Imo, the objective of the majority of the gun-control side is, in fact, to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, whether they're criminals or mentally unstable."

    Oh really? Hmm, read this;

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov....ginning


     It seems to me that objective of the anti-gun-control side is simply to make sure that they get to keep their guns and buy more without restriction.

    Can you back that up with anything other than "IMO"?

    Why would I want more Adam Lanzas? Why would I want more Columbines? Why would I want not want to restrict sales to felons? How you can make that assumption personally to me is, IMO, symptomatic of the divide between gun owners and those who are not.

    Stop paying attention to the white noise makers on BOTH sides and be a free thinker! Join the debate and bring your common sense opinion into the equation and perhaps good, pragmatic changes can get done?

    Yes, no, maybe?


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    Instead of knee jerking, exploiting, posturing and taking political advantage of dead children, some folks are actually being pragmatic and doing something to prevent violence;

    So... arming school teachers is not "knee jerking, etc." and that's going to prevent violence?  LOL... okey-dokey.

    We arm airplane pilots, we arm security guards in banks, we arm people protecting nuclear plants, we arm the president and his children!

    You have an issue with protecting children?

    There are police in lots of schools all across this county!

    Yes, police, security guards, secret service agents are armed.  That's their job and what they're trained for.  Makes sense.

    Airline pilots who are armed only if they're trained deck officers.

    I presume you believe in the mantra "guns don't kill, people do"?  By the same token, gun's don't "protect" either.  Putting a gun in a teacher's hand has nothing to do with protecting children.


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    Do yourself a favor and do a search on threads you've initiated in this forum.  I'm pretty sure you're the poster child of "white noise makers".

    Imo, the objective of the majority of the gun-control side is, in fact, to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, whether they're criminals or mentally unstable.  It seems to me that objective of the anti-gun-control side is simply to make sure that they get to keep their guns and buy more without restriction.
    I have said from the gitgo that the NRA and those persons who are "pro-gun" should be leading the effort to keep guns out of the hands of the irresponsible and the insane. But they are attempting to throttle any such attempts by creating an atmosphere of fear and paranoia.

    You, Buggyboo, have NEVER attempted to have an honest dialog with anyone about gun issues. You (and others like Montecresto, the Italian peak) have just repeated the same old tired paranoid delusions you can hear and read everywhere.

    It's time to admit that you have at least some responsibility to other people for the PRIVILEGE of owning and carrying a weapon for whatever legitimate purposes you desire. It's time to stop the ridiculous chatter about "personal Constitutional rights" and "defending against tyranny" (with your Glock, fer God's sake) and come back down to earth, where all the rest of us (try) to live.

    ETA: And "breitbart" as a "source"? Really? Give me a break.
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    [  By the same token, gun's don't "protect" either.  Putting a gun in a teacher's hand has nothing to do with protecting children.

    Hmmm, might have to disagree with you on that;

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_crimes_are_stopped_by_gun_owners

    BTW, I target practice with two school teachers, they are both crack shots and one is a woman!


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    BTW, I target practice with two school teachers, they are both crack shots and one is a woman!
    Do you see the difference between anecdotal evidence that at least some persons (regardless of their profession) choose to own and use firearms, while what you are strongly insinuating is that we should arm all teachers?

    Do you  (or any of your gun-totin' friends) really believe that everyone actually wants to carry a firearm? I know people who don't want to drive a car - ever! Should we force them to do so?
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