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A true patriot IMO, love all his YouTude vids;



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HMMMM?

You previously accused Feinstein of having a socialist agenda but here you are giving
accolades to Chomsky who openly calls himself a socialist(or usually some variant of it like)
and certainly has positions that are closer to the beliefs of real socialists. Your
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HMMMM?

You previously accused Feinstein of having a socialist agenda but here you are giving
accolades to Chomsky who openly calls himself a socialist(or usually some variant of it like)
and certainly has positions that are closer to the beliefs of real socialists. Your
inconsistencies are getting ridiculous

Dennis,

Thanks for the challenge;

Diane Feinstein is nether all good nor all bad. She is not stupid and is not a fool. To be able to hold her position for the amount of time that she has is a credit to her and I tip my hat. However, I see her lifelong attempts to demonize law abiding gun owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold, is "socialist" in and of itself IMO! History is full of those types who have actually done what she wants done with firearms.

With that said, I can say the same about Noam. What I like about him is his iconoclastic attributes and pulling the drapes back on the hypocrisy and other abuses this country has done in it's history. There are plenty of aspects I don't agree with him on.

Remember, Hitler loved dogs and children too in addition to being a mass murder on a huge scale!

Check this out Dennis and let me what you think;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Tq4VE8eHQ

Here is where I combine the two words;

http://gunowners.org/op0330.htm

Here is what I could find on Noam's 2nd amd. views;

Additionally, it’s simple and clear to Noam Chomsky, MIT professor, linguistic scientist and political activist, who in “Secrets, Lies, And Democracy,” opines, “It’s pretty clear that, taken literally, the second amendment does not permit people to own guns.  But laws are never taken literally, including amendments to the Constitution or Constitutional rights.  Laws permit what the tenor of the times interprets them as permitting.”


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The rest of that quote:

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From "Secrets, Lies and Democracy" - Noam Chomsky Interviewed by David
Barsamian.  Published by Odonian Press, Tucson AZ, 1994.


Gun control

Q: Advocates of free access to arms cite the Second Amendment. Do you believe that it permits unrestricted, uncontrolled possession of guns?

It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns. But laws are never taken literally, including amendments to the Constitution or constitutional rights. Laws permit what the tenor of the times interprets them as permitting.

But underlying the controversy over guns are some serious questions. There's a feeling in the country that people are under attack. I think they're misidentifying the source of the attack, but they do feel under attack.

The government is the only power structure that's even partially accountable to the population, so naturally the business sectors want to make that the enemy--not the corporate system, which is totally unaccountable. After decades of intensive business propaganda, people feel that the government is some kind of enemy and that they have to defend themselves from it.

It's not that that doesn't have its justifications. The government is authoritarian and commonly hostile to much of the population. But it's partially influenceable--and potentially very influenceable--by the general population.

Many people who advocate keeping guns have fear of the government in the back of their minds. But that's a crazy response to a real problem.

Do the media foster the feeling people have that they're under attack?

At the deepest level, the media contribute to the sense that the government is the enemy, and they suppress the sources of real power in the society, which lie in the totalitarian institutions--the corporations, now international in scale--that control the economy and much of our social life. In fact, the corporations set the conditions within which the government operates, and control it to a large extent.

The picture presented in the media is constant, day after day. People simply have no awareness of the system of power under which they're suffering. As a result--as intended--they turn their attention against the government.

People have all kinds of motivations for opposing gun control, but there's definitely a sector of the population that considers itself threatened by big forces, ranging from the Federal Reserve to the Council on Foreign Relations to big government to who knows what, and they're calling for guns to protect themselves.

Radio listener: On the issue of gun control, I believe that the US is becoming much more like a Third World country, and nothing is necessarily going to put a stop to it. I look around and see a lot of Third World countries where, if the citizens had weapons, they wouldn't have the government they've got. So-
I think that maybe people are being a little shortsighted in arguing for gun control and at the same time realizing that the government they've got is not exactly a benign one.

Your point illustrates exactly what I think is a major fallacy. The government is far from benign--that's true. On the other hand, it's at least partially accountable, and it can become as benign as we make it.

What's not benign (what's extremely harmful, in fact) is something you didn't mention--business power, which is highly concentrated and, by now, largely transnational. Business power is very far from benign and it's completely unaccountable. It's a totalitarian system that has an enormous effect on our lives. It's also the main reason why the government isn't benign.

As for guns being the way to respond to this, that's outlandish. First of all, this is not a weak Third World country. If people have pistols, the government has tanks. If people get tanks, the government has atomic weapons. There's no way to deal with these issues by violent force, even if you think that that's morally legitimate.
Guns in the hands of American citizens are not going to make the country more benign. They're going to make it more brutal, ruthless and destructive. So while one can recognize the motivation that lies behind some of the opposition to gun control, I think it's sadly misguided.
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Like I said, I like Noam for other attributes.

What did you think of the interview OP Gabby?

This one (thread) is about his interview.


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Like I said, I like Noam for other attributes.

What did you think of the interview OP Gabby?

This one (thread) is about his interview.

Your quote was a distortiom of Chomsky's position, just as the "official position" of most people like you, including the NRA and its buddies, is a distortion of the actual situation on gun shows and their effect on legal transfer of firearms. When confronted with violations, you guys reply with jokes or claims that "look, you just proved that the laws actually work!" - when it is clear to anyone with a brain (and no agenda) that the laws aren't working.

You yourself started a thread on why the NY gun laws don't work: my opinion is that, if they don't work, a great deal of that can be laid at the feet of the "gun agitators" like you who oppose any kind of reasonable controls. Guns, as Chomsky says, are not a source of security any longer, they're a source of chaos and brutal violence.
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Like I said, I like Noam for other attributes.

What did you think of the interview OP Gabby?

This one (thread) is about his interview.

Your quote was a distortiom of Chomsky's position, just as the "official position" of most people like you, including the NRA and its buddies, is a distortion of the actual situation on gun shows and their effect on legal transfer of firearms. When confronted with violations, you guys reply with jokes or claims that "look, you just proved that the laws actually work!" - when it is clear to anyone with a brain (and no agenda) that the laws aren't working.

You yourself started a thread on why the NY gun laws don't work: my opinion is that, if they don't work, a great deal of that can be laid at the feet of the "gun agitators" like you who oppose any kind of reasonable controls. Guns, as Chomsky says, are not a source of security any longer, they're a source of chaos and brutal violence.

PLEASE STOP with the harassment and personal attacks!

This thread is about the article I posted a link on!

Thank you!


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PLEASE STOP with the harassment and personal attacks!
Are those your positions, or not?

You seem to delight in personal attacks yourself, but you don't seem to want to actually discuss the issues.

I pretty much agree with Chomsky on guns and gun control. The mania that results in your distorted interpretation of the second amendment and the repeated shrill calls of you and other people like you for absolute gun rights is a result of a severe misunderstanding of what's actually going on out there in the real world, as Chomsky says.
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PLEASE STOP with the harassment and personal attacks!
Are those your positions, or not?

You seem to delight in personal attacks yourself, but you don't seem to want to actually discuss the issues.

I pretty much agree with Chomsky on guns and gun control. The mania that results in your distorted interpretation of the second amendment and the repeated shrill calls of you and other people like you for absolute gun rights is a result of a severe misunderstanding of what's actually going on out there in the real world, as Chomsky says.

Please stop high jacking this thread Gabby!

Here is the PURPOSE OF THE POST!!!!!

http://www.ft.com/intl....hqTY6by

Would like to hear your comments ON THAT!!!!

Thank you!!


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I did find this interesting
http://www.mosaicrooms.org/last-of-the-dictionary-men/

There was a similar outpost of Portuguese fishermen in San Diego. People who work the sea can find themselves a long ways from home, and then they make a new home.

The article mentioned he was speaking at The Mosaic Rooms...
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However, I see her lifelong attempts to demonize law abiding gun owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold, is "socialist" in and of itself IMO!

You have no idea what the word "socialist" means, do you?

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However, I see her lifelong attempts to demonize law abiding gun owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold, is "socialist" in and of itself IMO!

You have no idea what the word "socialist" means, do you?

Linguini-code for "bad thing".

A lot of that going around certain chambers.
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Buggyboo said
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Dennis,

Thanks for the challenge;

Diane Feinstein is nether all good nor all bad. She is not stupid and is not a fool. To be  able to hold her position for the
amount of time that she has is a credit to her and I tip my hat. However, I see her lifelong attempts to demonize law abiding
gun owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold, is "socialist" in and of itself IMO! History
is full of those types who have actually done what she wants done with firearms.


Didn't mean this as a challenge. This was an observation.

Whether Feinstein is stupid or not isn't relevant to the issue at hand which is your inconsistent
use of "socialist". Aside from your allegation that Feinstein "attempts to demonize law abiding gun
owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold", that allegation has
NOTHING to do with being "socialist'. Socialist isn't another term for someone who has views you
don't like. Here is a typical definition

"an advocate or supporter of socialism."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialist

and definition of socialism


: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration
of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal
distribution of goods and pay according to work done
See socialism defined for English-language learners »
See socialism defined for kids »


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

There is nothing about thinking that Feinstein I see her lifelong attempts to demonize law abiding
gun owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold
as having ANYTHING
to do with the above definition of socialism which is consistent with the way socialism has traditional
been used before the right decided to mess with its meaning

Buggyboo said
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With that said, I can say the same about Noam. What I like about him is his iconoclastic attributes and pulling
the drapes back on the hypocrisy and other abuses this country has done in it's history. There are plenty of aspects I don't agree with him on.

Remember, Hitler loved dogs and children too in addition to being a mass murder on a huge scale!

Check this out Dennis and let me what you think;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Tq4VE8eHQ


You just linked a video by Chomsky where he essentially makes the argument that the term "socialism" is
a meaningless term yet you're using it and that the way USSR used the term has nothing to do with true
"socialism".  After that he describes the traditional view of socialism in a positive way and having to
do with giving control to workers. So if you agree with Chomsky's definition of socialism then you would
be describing Feinstein positively but obviously you're not so that's another contradiction.

Buggyboo said
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Here is where I combine the two words;

http://gunowners.org/op0330.htm


You then link an article from Larry Pratt(You think he is a credible source? Most people on this forum know
about him and his demagoguery with such hyperbolic rhetoric as "In the House, a dedicated opponent of firearms
ownership and self-defense is Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, an avowed socialist. ". No Pelosi is not an "an
avowed socialist"That is big fat lie. You just used an article by someone who essentially said Pelosi openly
declared herself a socialist. What a lie. She has NEVER done any such thing) who goes on to describe socialism
negatively after you linked to an article from Chomsky who described socialism(or what Chomsky believes as
true socialism) in positive terms. More inconsistency


Beyond that Pratt doesn't at all show how advocating Gun control has anything to do with socialism since he
doesn't appear to know what socialism is. Pratt says U.S., socialism through regulation can be just as
stultifying as socialism in which the government owns the productive sector. Regulatory socialism was the
Nazi model, proving that nominal private ownership does not prevent control from the center.
. So in
other words Pratt thinks regulations are evidence of socialism in and of itself but if that is the case
there has NEVER been a government (or at least in modern times) that isn't socialist since every government
(at least in modern times) has some level of regulation.

Chomsky here is an advocate of regulations as you can see in the following links

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20090210.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....e_state

http://bsalert.com/artsearch.php?fn=2&as=2157&dt=1

^^ this last one he discusses what he thinks about Ron Paul

so obviously Pratt would consider Chomsky a socialist according to his same definition you want to
apply to Feinstein

I also find it ironic you would use Pratt as a source when he said Our government was founded on the idea
that individuals have God-given rights that need to be protected from that same government.
and At
the core of the Christian common law, the people are understood to be the owners of the law. Socialism
considers law (and everything else) to belong to the government or to be controlled by it. The police are
under the control of whoever owns the law


after you said

Can't wait to hear the dribble and spin the religious nuts give to this;

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130314/DA50T1382.html


here

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....1163481

So you were not referring to people like Pratt?

The inconsistencies just keep on coming

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Here is what I could find on Noam's 2nd amd. views;

Additionally, it’s simple and clear to Noam Chomsky, MIT professor, linguistic scientist and political activist,
who in “Secrets, Lies, And Democracy,” opines, “It’s pretty clear that, taken literally, the second amendment
does not permit people to own guns.  But laws are never taken literally, including amendments to the Constitution
or Constitutional rights.  Laws permit what the tenor of the times interprets them as permitting.”


Not relevant to the discussion of socialism but that first video you posted on Chomsky describing socialism
in positive terms is(not the kind practiced by the USSR) which reaffirms my first claim Chomsky who openly calls
himself a socialist(or usually some variant of it like) and certainly has positions that are closer to the beliefs
of real socialists.


Obviously Chomsky's positions are much more in line with socialism than Feinstein. So if you really dislike
socialism you should be bashing Chomsky before you bash Feinstein.


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Buggyboo said
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Dennis,

Thanks for the challenge;

Diane Feinstein is nether all good nor all bad. She is not stupid and is not a fool. To be  able to hold her position for the
amount of time that she has is a credit to her and I tip my hat. However, I see her lifelong attempts to demonize law abiding
gun owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold, is "socialist" in and of itself IMO! History
is full of those types who have actually done what she wants done with firearms.


Didn't mean this as a challenge. This was an observation.

Whether Feinstein is stupid or not isn't relevant to the issue at hand which is your inconsistent
use of "socialist". Aside from your allegation that Feinstein "attempts to demonize law abiding gun
owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold", that allegation has
NOTHING to do with being "socialist'. Socialist isn't another term for someone who has views you
don't like. Here is a typical definition

"an advocate or supporter of socialism."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialist

and definition of socialism


: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration
of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal
distribution of goods and pay according to work done
See socialism defined for English-language learners »
See socialism defined for kids »


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

There is nothing about thinking that Feinstein I see her lifelong attempts to demonize law abiding
gun owners who have that right in the constitution that she has sworn to uphold
as having ANYTHING
to do with the above definition of socialism which is consistent with the way socialism has traditional
been used before the right decided to mess with its meaning

Buggyboo said
QUOTE

With that said, I can say the same about Noam. What I like about him is his iconoclastic attributes and pulling
the drapes back on the hypocrisy and other abuses this country has done in it's history. There are plenty of aspects I don't agree with him on.

Remember, Hitler loved dogs and children too in addition to being a mass murder on a huge scale!

Check this out Dennis and let me what you think;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Tq4VE8eHQ


You just linked a video by Chomsky where he essentially makes the argument that the term "socialism" is
a meaningless term yet you're using it and that the way USSR used the term has nothing to do with true
"socialism".  After that he describes the traditional view of socialism in a positive way and having to
do with giving control to workers. So if you agree with Chomsky's definition of socialism then you would
be describing Feinstein positively but obviously you're not so that's another contradiction.

Buggyboo said
QUOTE

Here is where I combine the two words;

http://gunowners.org/op0330.htm


You then link an article from Larry Pratt(You think he is a credible source? Most people on this forum know
about him and his demagoguery with such hyperbolic rhetoric as "In the House, a dedicated opponent of firearms
ownership and self-defense is Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, an avowed socialist. ". No Pelosi is not an "an
avowed socialist"That is big fat lie. You just used an article by someone who essentially said Pelosi openly
declared herself a socialist. What a lie. She has NEVER done any such thing) who goes on to describe socialism
negatively after you linked to an article from Chomsky who described socialism(or what Chomsky believes as
true socialism) in positive terms. More inconsistency


Beyond that Pratt doesn't at all show how advocating Gun control has anything to do with socialism since he
doesn't appear to know what socialism is. Pratt says U.S., socialism through regulation can be just as
stultifying as socialism in which the government owns the productive sector. Regulatory socialism was the
Nazi model, proving that nominal private ownership does not prevent control from the center.
. So in
other words Pratt thinks regulations are evidence of socialism in and of itself but if that is the case
there has NEVER been a government (or at least in modern times) that isn't socialist since every government
(at least in modern times) has some level of regulation.

Chomsky here is an advocate of regulations as you can see in the following links

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20090210.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....e_state

http://bsalert.com/artsearch.php?fn=2&as=2157&dt=1

^^ this last one he discusses what he thinks about Ron Paul

so obviously Pratt would consider Chomsky a socialist according to his same definition you want to
apply to Feinstein

I also find it ironic you would use Pratt as a source when he said Our government was founded on the idea
that individuals have God-given rights that need to be protected from that same government.
and At
the core of the Christian common law, the people are understood to be the owners of the law. Socialism
considers law (and everything else) to belong to the government or to be controlled by it. The police are
under the control of whoever owns the law


after you said

Can't wait to hear the dribble and spin the religious nuts give to this;

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130314/DA50T1382.html


here

http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin....1163481

So you were not referring to people like Pratt?

The inconsistencies just keep on coming

Buggyboo said
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Here is what I could find on Noam's 2nd amd. views;

Additionally, it’s simple and clear to Noam Chomsky, MIT professor, linguistic scientist and political activist,
who in “Secrets, Lies, And Democracy,” opines, “It’s pretty clear that, taken literally, the second amendment
does not permit people to own guns.  But laws are never taken literally, including amendments to the Constitution
or Constitutional rights.  Laws permit what the tenor of the times interprets them as permitting.”


Not relevant to the discussion of socialism but that first video you posted on Chomsky describing socialism
in positive terms is(not the kind practiced by the USSR) which reaffirms my first claim Chomsky who openly calls
himself a socialist(or usually some variant of it like) and certainly has positions that are closer to the beliefs
of real socialists.


Obviously Chomsky's positions are much more in line with socialism than Feinstein. So if you really dislike
socialism you should be bashing Chomsky before you bash Feinstein.

WOW. Hope your recover completely from "typers fingers" soon!

Think I finished War & Peace faster than your retort.

I think I should be flattered that you feel the need to put some much time and effort into attempting to spin your personal gobbley gook into this simple subject of a letter by Noam Chomsky I thought was interesting.

Made the fatal mistake of being reasonable with you Dennis and thought I would try to explain myself. BIG MISTAKE with you Dennis. You want to turn it into a little "Dennis writes a big bunch of nothing party" have Egocentric chime like his parrot self and feel smug. I assume by making all the little references, drawing careful conclusions and copying and pasting, now you have WON the argument and showed the big, bad gun nut who the boss is!! YEAAA for Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amusing to say the least.

Where do we go from here you two? My suggestion would be to keep up the dribble and self aggrandizing. I had no idea little ole me could have such a deep and profound affect that your main goal is to read every post I make, spend so much time and energy, and devote so much thought into how can we turn this subject around into innuendo to passively/aggressively attack him because he is a big bad gun nut and we don't like that!

Gotta give your an A for effort and an A for creativity!

You must have been something else in your school plays!

So with that said, I want to thank you again for your devotion towards me, my threads, energy spent looking for them and completely disregarding there meaning so I can be totally entertained by your passive/aggressive dribble!

Can't WAIT to see what you two groupies write next!

I wouldn't lock this thread for all the guns in Albuquerque!

Have a great night and see you tomorrow Dennis and Egocentric!


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WOW. Hope your recover completely from "typers fingers" soon!

Think I finished War & Peace faster than your retort.

I think I should be flattered that you feel the need to put some much time and effort into attempting to spin your personal gobbley gook into this
simple subject of a letter by Noam Chomsky I thought was interesting.


1. You think your special. You're not. As most posters can attest, I routinely make long posts

2. Spin is YOU. Seriously look at your latest response. Where did you put up an argument or statement
of facts to refute anything I said? You didn't even attempt because you can't. Instead you resort to
desperate responses such as "into attempting to spin your personal gobbley gook" which isn't an argument
or a reference to fact but hyperbolic rhetoric

You're just simply throwing a childish fit simply because your response exposes how you didn't know the
basic facts(like knowing what 'socialist' means) and how you were unable to use basic logic and thinking
skills to form a coherent consistent argument.


So the moral of the story is go super easy on Buggyboo or you get a childish tantrum from Buggyboo.

Listen if you don't like your posts coming under any type of scrutiny then why even post?

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Made the fatal mistake of being reasonable with you Dennis and thought I would try to explain myself.



Why do you have to make such dishonest BS statements like that? Since when is describing Feinsten's
agenda "socialist" and then to start a thread about someone you give accolades to who also describes
himself as "socialist" reasonable?

How is it reasonable to cite a video from a well known right-wing propagandist who said that Pelosi
is an "avowed" socialist?

How is it reasonable to feature a video of Chomsky thinking it proves your point when in fact it
essentially confirms his views as being sympathetic to socialism(which would confirm my argument)
followed by the link of Pratt, the right-wing propagandist, whose views you use to confirm your
views yet his views also rely on the same ignorant view of socialism that you have but at the same
time according to his view you should view Chomsky as a bad socialist?

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BIG MISTAKE with you Dennis. You want to turn it into a little "Dennis writes a big bunch of nothing party" have Egocentric chime
like his parrot self and feel smug. I assume by making all the little references, drawing careful conclusions and copying and pasting,
now you have WON the argument and showed the big, bad gun nut who the boss is!! YEAAA for Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote]

What should be noted is the following. Your response doesn't contain ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE. Your
response doesn't include ANYTHING remotely related to the subjects or the points I just made in
my previous post. What you're spending ALL your effort on is making statements like "You want to
turn it into a little "Dennis writes a big bunch of nothing party"(ironically, as I just explained,
that would be you) and "like his parrot self and feel smug." & "you have WON the argument and showed
the big, bad gun nut who the boss is!! YEAAA for Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I never used ANY language remotely implying anything like that. ITS IN YOUR HEAD. You must have felt
like I really eviscerated you for you to focus on me this way while totally ignoring any attempt to
refute the points I brought up or explain why you haven't been inconsistent. Heck in my first response
you took it that way given your first response you said "Thanks for the challenge"

See you simply can't handle the slightest hint of critism.

Does it hurt so bad to be exposed this easily that you have to respond this way?

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Amusing to say the least.


Come now Buggyboo. your act is so transparent.

You're just pist that you're unable to give a rebutal TO any part of my response and so we
get instead your juvenile fit.

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Where do we go from here you two? My suggestion would be to keep up the dribble and self aggrandizing.


that's what you call my response? Dribble? Documenting how your inconsistent, how you don't follow the standard
definitions and how you use vids that contradict what you aim to prove is dribble but this very response from you
that doesn't even attempt to address one point I've made or the multide of ways you contradict yourself isn't
dribble? Clear projection on your part

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I had no idea little ole me could have such a deep and profound affect that your main goal is to read every post I make,
spend so much time and energy, and devote so much thought into how can we turn this subject around into innuendo to
passively/aggressively attack him because he is a big bad gun nut and we don't like that!


^^ playing the victim and thinking he is special again

Its amazing how you could try and spin my response in the way you did. Again what is noteworthy is your response
and how you don't make ONE substantive reply to ANY part of it yet you put your effort into framing my response
as something that I put too much effort in. So what you're really trying to say is you wish I would have been
easier on you to give you a chance at a rebuttal. But since you can't give a rebuttal we get this fit from you.

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Gotta give your an A for effort and an A for creativity!

You must have been something else in your school plays!


How is tha above have anything to do with the subject we were discussing?

Oh thats right. This is meant to change the subject since you're unable to debate on the subject matter

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So with that said, I want to thank you again for your devotion towards me, my threads, energy spent looking for them and
completely disregarding there meaning so I can be totally entertained by your passive/aggressive dribble!


^^ he thinks he special

so again what Buggyboo is really saying is that he wants me to go easier on him next time.

Love the ironic and hypocritical references to "dribble" too.

Oh and like your use of "socialist" it appears you don't know the definition of "passive/aggressive". I guess you're
not being "passive/aggressive" because your now being overtly hostile?


BTW those who want to know how these knock down "debates" get started with me? this is a perfect example. I give
substantive responses loaded with documented facts and arguments based on logic. Then someone, this time its Buggyboo,
doesn't like the fact that he can't offer up a substantive intelligent argument based on facts and a logical argument
and so in desperation they don't attempt to actually deal with the substance of the post and so in desperation they
throw a fit about how I'm essentially not playing fair and all this other BS.

I expect Buggyboo not to give any response related to the subject of Chomsky or Feinstein,. Instead I expect him to
give similar response to his post in 15. He simply can't handle someone exposing either his inconsistencies or his
ignorance so we get his fits.


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It's just a waste of your time Dennis, he doesn't care what anyone else says or thinks, he's said as much. Talk of ego, he can't admit that he is wrong, even when you quote the dictionary to him, fails to see your logic, and thinks that we are showing interest rather than annoyance.

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Dennis, it's so awesome that I'm getting this attention from you. Hey I'm thinking this; since you got this obsession with me maybe you can be in charge of my fan club. I was thinking of calling it Diane's Socialist Loser Club!
We could start start by marketing it to NRA members that want to help stamp out her gun grabbing agenda! We can send you to local gun clubs dressed as a sacrificial lamb with a big "Ban Diane the Gun Grabber" sash and hand out brochures and solicit donations. We can also have a raffle with an AR-15 Assault weapon as first prize including 5/ea. 30 round clips, plus 100 custom printed targets with good old Diane hugging Adolph Hitler on them. Think that should go a long way in establishing your legitimacy.
Then we make plans for you and Egocentric to go to the national NRA yearly membership meeting to announce the winner. During the announcement of the winner, if your not too busy waiting for my posts on Backpacker Forums, you can write up one of your famous epic rants about the dangers of socialism and how important the 2nd. Amendment is to the average citizen, especially sacrificial lambs! Just think of the impact you could have bashing ole Diane's socialist agenda while at the same time enjoying your favorite hobby; me! :D
OK, your and Egocentric think it over and feel free to come up with any more creative idea's on how we can over come Diane Feinstein's socialist, communist gun grabbing political grandstanding that she uses to promote for her personal gains while completely ignoring important issues that can help this country.


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There is plenty about Noam that is solid material. Particularly his work on Latin America and the US's policies there. Chavez held up his book at the UN and praised him for "pulling back the curtain" as you said. But have you ever found anyone that you agree with all the time on everything. He's wrong about the second amendment.

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It's just a waste of your time Dennis, he doesn't care what anyone else says or thinks, he's
said as much. Talk of ego, he can't admit that he is wrong, even when you quote the
dictionary to him, fails to see your logic, and thinks that we are showing interest rather
than annoyance.


His idiocy is predictable. I mean in the last post I say "1. You think you're special. You're not.
As most posters can attest, I routinely make long posts" yet Buggyboo responds with "Dennis,
it's so awesome that I'm getting this attention from you"(which actually translates into
something like "I don't like this Dennis guy pointing out my ignorance and all the
inconsistencies so I will pretend I'm amused by it and maybe that will get him to back
off.". Its not like I haven't seen that tactic before)

I say "I expect Buggyboo not to give any response related to the subject of Chomsky or
Feinstein,. Instead I expect him to give similar response to his post in 15. He simply can't
handle someone exposing either his inconsistencies or his ignorance so we get his fits." and
then sure enough Buggyboo responds just the way I expected him to post with no substance or
logical argumentation in support of anything he has asserted including another accusation of
Feinstein as a socialist while he still admires the guy who actually calls himself a
socialist.


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It's just a waste of your time Dennis, he doesn't care what anyone else says or thinks, he's
said as much. Talk of ego, he can't admit that he is wrong, even when you quote the
dictionary to him, fails to see your logic, and thinks that we are showing interest rather
than annoyance.


His idiocy is predictable. I mean in the last post I say "1. You think you're special. You're not.
As most posters can attest, I routinely make long posts" yet Buggyboo responds with "Dennis,
it's so awesome that I'm getting this attention from you"(which actually translates into
something like "I don't like this Dennis guy pointing out my ignorance and all the
inconsistencies so I will pretend I'm amused by it and maybe that will get him to back
off.". Its not like I haven't seen that tactic before)

I say "I expect Buggyboo not to give any response related to the subject of Chomsky or
Feinstein,. Instead I expect him to give similar response to his post in 15. He simply can't
handle someone exposing either his inconsistencies or his ignorance so we get his fits." and
then sure enough Buggyboo responds just the way I expected him to post with no substance or
logical argumentation in support of anything he has asserted including another accusation of
Feinstein as a socialist while he still admires the guy who actually calls himself a
socialist.

Does this mean you will be the president of my fan club Dennis?

Great! I will get the costume ready along with the targets printed up.

Hey, I was thinking Egocentric could get in costume too!

I was thinking about a nodding parrot that just chimes in every time you say anything.

Think about it and let me know your ideas!!


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(Dennis The Menace @ Mar. 18 2013, 1:37 pm)
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It's just a waste of your time Dennis, he doesn't care what anyone else says or thinks, he's
said as much. Talk of ego, he can't admit that he is wrong, even when you quote the
dictionary to him, fails to see your logic, and thinks that we are showing interest rather
than annoyance.


His idiocy is predictable. I mean in the last post I say "1. You think you're special. You're not.
As most posters can attest, I routinely make long posts" yet Buggyboo responds with "Dennis,
it's so awesome that I'm getting this attention from you"(which actually translates into
something like "I don't like this Dennis guy pointing out my ignorance and all the
inconsistencies so I will pretend I'm amused by it and maybe that will get him to back
off.". Its not like I haven't seen that tactic before)

I say "I expect Buggyboo not to give any response related to the subject of Chomsky or
Feinstein,. Instead I expect him to give similar response to his post in 15. He simply can't
handle someone exposing either his inconsistencies or his ignorance so we get his fits." and
then sure enough Buggyboo responds just the way I expected him to post with no substance or
logical argumentation in support of anything he has asserted including another accusation of
Feinstein as a socialist while he still admires the guy who actually calls himself a
socialist.

He has a lot of energy (time on his hands). I suppose the verb to describe it might be Buggering a thread.   :D

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(Dennis The Menace @ Mar. 18 2013, 1:37 pm)
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Buggyboo said
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It's just a waste of your time Dennis, he doesn't care what anyone else says or thinks, he's
said as much. Talk of ego, he can't admit that he is wrong, even when you quote the
dictionary to him, fails to see your logic, and thinks that we are showing interest rather
than annoyance.


His idiocy is predictable. I mean in the last post I say "1. You think you're special. You're not.
As most posters can attest, I routinely make long posts" yet Buggyboo responds with "Dennis,
it's so awesome that I'm getting this attention from you"(which actually translates into
something like "I don't like this Dennis guy pointing out my ignorance and all the
inconsistencies so I will pretend I'm amused by it and maybe that will get him to back
off.". Its not like I haven't seen that tactic before)

I say "I expect Buggyboo not to give any response related to the subject of Chomsky or
Feinstein,. Instead I expect him to give similar response to his post in 15. He simply can't
handle someone exposing either his inconsistencies or his ignorance so we get his fits." and
then sure enough Buggyboo responds just the way I expected him to post with no substance or
logical argumentation in support of anything he has asserted including another accusation of
Feinstein as a socialist while he still admires the guy who actually calls himself a
socialist.

He has a lot of energy (time on his hands). I suppose the verb to describe it might be Buggering a thread.   :D

He has a lot of energy (time on his hands). I suppose the verb to describe it might be Egocentricing a thread. :D

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