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WASHINGTON -- The gun-lobby goons were at it again.

The National Rifle Association's security guards gained notoriety earlier this year when, escorting
NRA officials to a hearing, they were upbraided by Capitol authorities for pushing cameramen. The
thugs were back Tuesday when the NRA rolled out its "National School Shield" -- the gun lobbyists'
plan to get armed guards in public schools -- and this time they were packing heat.

About 20 of them -- roughly one for every three reporters -- fanned out through the National Press
Club, some in uniforms with gun holsters exposed, others with earpieces and bulges under their suit
jackets.

In a spectacle that officials at the National Press Club said they had never seen before, the NRA
gunmen directed some photographers not to take pictures, ordered reporters out of the lobby when
NRA officials passed and inspected reporters' briefcases before granting them access to the news
conference.


The antics gave new meaning to the notion of disarming your critics.

By journalistic custom and D.C. law, of course, reporters don't carry guns to news conferences
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and certainly not when the person at the lectern is the NRA's Asa Hutchinson, an unremarkable
former congressman and Bush administration official whom most reporters couldn't pick out of a
lineup. But the NRA wasn't going to leave any doubt about its superior firepower.

Thus has it gone so far in the gun debate in Washington. The legislation is about to be taken up in
Congress, but by most accounts the NRA has already won. Plans for limiting assault weapons and
ammunition clips are history, and the prospects for meaningful background checks are bleak. Now,
The Washington Post's Philip Rucker and Ed O'Keefe report, the NRA is proposing language to gut the
last meaningful gun-control proposal, making gun trafficking a federal crime
. Apparently, the gun
lobby thinks even criminals deserve Second Amendment protection.

If the NRA has its way, as it usually does, states will weaken their gun laws to allow more guns in
schools. The top two recommendations Hutchinson announced Tuesday involved firearms in the schoolhouse.
The first: "training programs" for "designated armed school personnel." The second: "adoption of model
legislation by individual states to allow for armed school personnel."

Hutchinson claimed that his task force, which came up with these ideas, had "full independence" from
the NRA. By coincidence, the proposals closely matched those announced by the NRA before it formed
and funded the task force.
The task force did scale back plans to protect schools with armed volunteer
vigilantes, opting instead for arming paid guards and school staff -- at least one in every school.
States and school districts "are prepared" to pay for it, Hutchinson declared.

The task force garnished the more-guns recommendations with some good ideas, such as better fencing,
doors and security monitoring for schools, and more mental-health intervention. But much of that is
in the overall Senate legislation that the NRA is trying to kill.



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So what did Asa Hutchinson and the NRA have to fear?

Why the need(not if they had the right so spare us that red herring response) for 20 armed guards?

Unarmed reporters are such a threat that it warranted 20 armed guards?

and for what reason would an unarmed reporter(or anyone for that matter) want to kill Asa Hutchinson?

Because they hated the NRA and their stance on gun control and so to show their anger against the
NRA they could use a gun to kill Asa Hutchinson?

Do you see the contradiction?

How likely would someone(especially when they are unarmed reporters) who is anger at the NRA for
so consistently being against gun control at the same time want to use a gun to kill the NRA flack
for not calling for more gun control?

Not very likely at all.

How likely that it would require 20 armed guards?  

Even less likely

This is National Press Club not northern Mexico

Oh and what was up with this
"NRA  gunmen directed some photographers not to take pictures, ordered reporters out of the
lobby when  NRA officials passed and inspected reporters" briefcases before granting them
access to the news  conference. "

This reeks of Authoritarianism. This isn't the mentality of an organization(at least at the
leadership level) that cares about democracy and freedom. This is the mentality of an organization
that has contempt for democracy and freedom. This is the mentality of bullies and thugs.  This is
the mentality of an organization that feels it can gets its way through intimidation rather than
reasoned debate.


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They wouldn't need guards if liberals didn't try to attack them.

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Care to give us an actual example of that having happened?

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LOL!!


rorak troling away again.


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This reeks of Authoritarianism.

No more so than saying they shouldn't or passing laws saying they can't.


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Sharply worded criticism warrants a well armed defense. This is public relations that was only targeted to the true believers. People that champion the rights of the paranoid.

ETA: The growing threats of violence are implicit. Legislators calling for the mobilization of militias, the conspiracy talk, the widespread concern that "The New World Order" is coming for our guns. It is just a matter of time before another Timothy McVeigh acts on those fears. To me it shows a lack of faith in democracy, that there are those that will use their guns to get their way, however the votes turn out.


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Exactly what does that mean, "there are those that will use their guns to get their way"?

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Montanalonewolf said
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This reeks of Authoritarianism.


No more so than saying they shouldn't or passing laws saying they can't.


Not sure what you're referring to specifically by "they shouldn't"(I said specifically Why
the need(not if they had the right so spare us that red herring response) for 20
armed guards?
) or what specific laws in regard to you saying "passing laws saying they
can't." but when I said "This reeks of Authoritarianism." I, once again, was referring to
many things but mostly to this


NRA  gunmen directed some photographers not to take pictures, ordered reporters out of the
lobby when  NRA officials passed and inspected reporters" briefcases before granting them
access to the news  conference.


So whatever you were trying to compare it to with "no more" you're essentially saying it
is no more Authoritarianism than the above. Really?


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Not sure why the media just didn't walk out tbh. Clear attempt at intimidation by the loonies running the NRA these days.
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Not sure why the media just didn't walk out tbh. Clear attempt at intimidation by the loonies running the NRA these days.

The National Press Club is their house. Better to write about it and expose the morons for what they are.
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Montanalonewolf said
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This reeks of Authoritarianism.


No more so than saying they shouldn't or passing laws saying they can't.


Not sure what you're referring to specifically by "they shouldn't"(I said specifically Why
the need(not if they had the right so spare us that red herring response) for 20
armed guards?
) or what specific laws in regard to you saying "passing laws saying they
can't." but when I said "This reeks of Authoritarianism." I, once again, was referring to
many things but mostly to this


NRA  gunmen directed some photographers not to take pictures, ordered reporters out of the
lobby when  NRA officials passed and inspected reporters" briefcases before granting them
access to the news  conference.


So whatever you were trying to compare it to with "no more" you're essentially saying it
is no more Authoritarianism than the above. Really?

It's not surprising you're unable to comprehend what I said and trying to explain is a waste of time since you won't get that either.

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(Montanalonewolf @ Apr. 05 2013, 11:01 pm)
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Montanalonewolf said
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This reeks of Authoritarianism.


No more so than saying they shouldn't or passing laws saying they can't.


Not sure what you're referring to specifically by "they shouldn't"(I said specifically Why
the need(not if they had the right so spare us that red herring response) for 20
armed guards?
) or what specific laws in regard to you saying "passing laws saying they
can't." but when I said "This reeks of Authoritarianism." I, once again, was referring to
many things but mostly to this


NRA  gunmen directed some photographers not to take pictures, ordered reporters out of the
lobby when  NRA officials passed and inspected reporters" briefcases before granting them
access to the news  conference.


So whatever you were trying to compare it to with "no more" you're essentially saying it
is no more Authoritarianism than the above. Really?

It's not surprising you're unable to comprehend what I said and trying to explain is a waste of time since you won't get that either.

actually this is what I think

I think you had no idea what I was referring to when I said "This reeks of Authoritarianism."

Furthermore I think now you realize how idiotic your original response is and as a result
you can't give a response but instead of admitting that you pretend its me who is the
idiot with your " to explain is a waste of time since you won't get that either."

You will not get one word I just said above(see I can do the same thing)


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I think you had no idea what I was referring to when I said "This reeks of Authoritarianism."

I did and I do. You don't.


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Sounds like the Brownshirts tatics in 1930s Germany.

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Let me just add

This is the definition of


Definition of AUTHORITARIAN
1
: of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority <had authoritarian parents>
2
: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not
constitutionally responsible to the people <an authoritarian regime>


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/authoritarian

so according to MLW
"No more so than saying they shouldn't or passing laws saying they can't." is just as authoritarian

as this


"NRA  gunmen directed some photographers not to take pictures, ordered reporters out of the
lobby when  NRA officials passed and inspected reporters" briefcases before granting them
access to the news  conference. "


passing laws in a country like ours isn't even remotely even in the same category as the
above

as for MLW stating "No more so than saying they shouldn't"

shouldn't what? Shouldn't be armed guards? MLW doesn't say(I think this vagueness on the part of MLW is
intentional because its gives someone like MLW an excuse to accuse the other guy, for not knowing
exactly what he was referring, to as essentially dense) but if MLW meant "no more than saying they
shouldn't be armed" then once again I will refer to what I said in the OP which was "Why the need(not
if they had the right so spare us that red herring response
)".


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