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Looks like the marxist/socialist isn't used to FAILURE!

"All of this was setup for the coup de grace: a request for more power. Because, after all, Obama was never going to win this debate. He didn’t have the votes, he didn’t have the evidence, and he didn’t have a decent piece of legislation to propose. What he did have was unbridled faux moral indignation and a compliant press.
But he needs more. He needs a majority in the House. And he asked for it. “So all in all, this was a pretty shameful day for Washington. But this effort is not over,” said Obama. “If this Congress refuses to listen … the real impact is going to have to come from the voters.”
“The memories of these children demand [gun control],” Obama concluded.
What he meant was obvious: the memories of dead children in Sandy Hook demands that voters give Obama more Senators and more Congresspeople. How convenient for him."


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"Obama rages" - and well he should.

And your comments on marxist/socialists just shows how out of touch and paranoid your really are.  Jeeze, give me a break.


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It wasn't worth the political capital.

Like a snake in the grass, it's sitting, waiting, to rear it's ugly head again.

God bless the NRA.


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Well, it didnt take long for the gunsluts to masturbate themselves with glee knowing that their precious is once again safe.......until the next mass shooting.

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It wasn't worth the political capital.

Like a snake in the grass, it's sitting, waiting, to rear it's ugly head again.

God bless the NRA.

You mean god bless the extremist organization known as the NRA that clouts their rhetoric in
pseudo-patriotism ,pseudo-respect for the constitution and lies/propaganda/disinformation to dupe
some people to mask the obvious fact that what they are all about is keep their masters(the gun
manufacturers) happy?  That is what your god wants to bless?

About the lies/propaganda/disinformation, Take the gun registry claim from the NRA and other right-wing
organizations of which some in this forum have peddled. Politfact,factcheck.org and Time gives this claim
a false rating

http://factcheck.org/2013/01/nra-misfires-on-federal-gun-registry/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o....univers

http://swampland.time.com/2013....herring

and here is Obama right on the mark


The current leader of the NRA used to support these background checks. So while this compromise didn't
contain everything I wanted or everything that these families wanted, it did represent progress. It
represented moderation and common sense," Obama said. "That's why 90 percent of the American people
supported it. But instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied
about the bill."


Obama said the NRA exagerrated the effect of the bill, which scared gun owners and mobilized them to
oppose the legislation.

"They claimed that it would create some sort of big brother gun registry even though the bill did the
opposite," said Obama of the NRA. "This legislation in fact outlawed any registry, plain and simple,
right there in the text. But that didn't matter. And, unfortunately, this pattern of spreading untruths
about this legislation served a purpose. Because those lies upset an intense minority of gun owners and
that in turn intimidated a lot of senators."



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Like the FLDS, they should be audited ad infinitum by the IRS and investigated by every every federal and state government agency - with any minor infraction used to seize their assets and property.

Surely some NRA leader is carrying cash with cocaine residue on it. ( A high percentage of circulating cash has drug residue on it. ) Find it and use seizure laws to seize ALL of the the NRA  assets!

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Al Qaeda is pleased. Criminals are pleased. Once again, the Republican party has served their wealthy masters. Democracy has been defeated.

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Just hammered another nail in the GOP 2016 coffin.

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What about Grassley?

“Just because we can’t do everything….doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something”

There is a lot of indignation being spread by the glorious leader Kim-Jong Obama’s propaganda machine about the recent Senate vote striking down the Manchin amendment to the gun control bill.

I find it very telling that there is not equal outrage over the failure of the Grassley amendment and the individuals that voted against that amendment. What was their ultimate motive?

The premise was that improving the background system would help protect the American citizens from gun violence.

The Manchin amendment failed because some representatives thought that it was too restrictive, and could infringe on the rights of our citizens. I disagree, but that is the excuse.

Next up, the Grassley amendment. It got more votes than any other amendment, but still failed. It did not go as far as the Manchin amendment, but it did offer provisions to address the background check system, mental illness, straw purchases, and gun trafficking. Many of the representatives that could not vote for the more restrictive Manchin amendment voted for the less restrictive Grassley amendment (logical under the premise). However, many of the representatives that voted for the more restrictive Manchin amendment did not vote for the less restrictive Grassley amendment (illogical under the premise).

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:SP725:

One must assume that the ultimate motive with respect to gun control for those individuals voting against Grassley was not to protect the citizens from gun violence, but was more about placing further restrictions on the 2nd amendment for law abiding citizens.
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the extremist organization known as the NRA


Like the FLDS, they should be audited ad infinitum by the IRS and investigated by every every federal and state government agency - with any minor infraction used to seize their assets and property.

Surely some NRA leader is carrying cash with cocaine residue on it. ( A high percentage of circulating cash has drug residue on it. ) Find it and use seizure laws to seize ALL of the the NRA  assets!

Without the NRA, common sense would prevail and guns would already be banned.


Of all the ignorant rants you've made Bass, this is probably the one that scares me the most.

Persecuting a particular group, because you disagree with their political views, is a very dangerous thing.

First they came for the NRA, but I wasn't a member of the NRA, so I didn't say anything.

Then they came for the hunters, but I don't hunt, so I didn't say anything.

.......

Sound familiar?

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392
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I find it very telling that there is not equal outrage over the failure of the Grassley amendment and the individuals that voted against that amendment. What was their ultimate motive?

Why did they oppose the Grassley amendment? Well, for starters, there's this:
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Grassley’s amendment would also make it easier to purchase and transport firearms across state lines.

The whole point of the Grassley amendment was undercutting state-level gun control. The token law enforcement provisions were all just so much window dressing.

Better than nothing? With that poison pill, hell no.


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That might be a valid point, if the same provisions were NOT in the Manchin Amendment.
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Why do you think God would bless an organization that makes it easier for criminals and psychopaths to murder innocent people?

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That might be a valid point, if the same provisions were NOT in the Manchin Amendment.

Except that the Manchin-Toomey bill actually did enough good (closing the gun show loophole) to outweigh the bad.

Grassley, not so much.


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Why do you think God would bless an organization that makes it easier for criminals and psychopaths to murder innocent people?

God's having one of His "Old Testament" days?
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That might be a valid point, if the same provisions were NOT in the Manchin Amendment.

Except that the Manchin-Toomey bill actually did enough good (closing the gun show loophole) to outweigh the bad.

Grassley, not so much.

Ok, I guess that since we can’t do everything, we should do nothing.
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"nothing" isn't on the table, just not items off the NRA wetdream list.

"This defeat is only the latest chapter of what I’ve always known would be a long, hard haul. Our democracy’s history is littered with names we neither remember nor celebrate — people who stood in the way of progress while protecting the powerful. On Wednesday, a number of senators voted to join that list.

Mark my words: if we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress, one that puts communities’ interests ahead of the gun lobby’s. To do nothing while others are in danger is not the American way."

Far from "nothing" is on the way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013....hp&_r=0

On the plus side, from what I could see, at least Grassely didn't have that wiping out states rights gift to the NRA concealed carry race to the bottom section in it that Manchin did. Though were there a mandating the Federal Government set up the standards for concealed carry thgere'd be some interesting implications. thoroughly nationalizing firearms regulations?
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the extremist organization known as the NRA


Like the FLDS, they should be audited ad infinitum by the IRS and investigated by every every federal and state government agency - with any minor infraction used to seize their assets and property.

Surely some NRA leader is carrying cash with cocaine residue on it. ( A high percentage of circulating cash has drug residue on it. ) Find it and use seizure laws to seize ALL of the the NRA  assets!

Without the NRA, common sense would prevail and guns would already be banned.


Of all the ignorant rants you've made Bass, this is probably the one that scares me the most.

Persecuting a particular group, because you disagree with their political views, is a very dangerous thing.

First they came for the NRA, but I wasn't a member of the NRA, so I didn't say anything.

Then they came for the hunters, but I don't hunt, so I didn't say anything.

.......

Sound familiar?

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

Bass is kind of hard one to figure out. I used to think he was just engaging in satire but
then other posts from him made me think otherwise. If what he said in post 6(as much as I
dislike the NRA obviously what he said would be absurdly over the line) would have been
said by any other person I would have thought it was obviously satire/trolling but not for
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What about Grassley?

“Just because we can’t do everything….doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something”

There is a lot of indignation being spread by the glorious leader Kim-Jong Obama’s propaganda machine about the recent Senate vote striking down the Manchin amendment to the gun control bill.

I find it very telling that there is not equal outrage over the failure of the Grassley amendment and the individuals that voted against that amendment. What was their ultimate motive?


speaking of propaganda and what usually comes with propaganda(hyperbolic rhetoric), I think
its very telling that you said Kim-Jong Obama’s propaganda machine about the recent Senate
vote striking down the Manchin amendment to the gun control bill.
when it was the same
bill that you claimed to support. I find it very telling that you haven't reserved such
irrational hyperbolic rhetoric to those who actually voted against the bill you supported.

Whats up with that? Trolling?


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I call BS on the whole process.

Just like with the health care issue there are individual bits and pieces that would probably get passed on their own merit.

Instead everything has to rolled up into one behemoth that NONE of us have read and that probably NONE of our reps have read in its entirety.

Instead we are forced to trust them that everything in it is good and kosher and that any bad stuff in it isn't THAT bad.

A pox on the whole lot of them.

The only way you could support this BS is if you are a blind partisan who actually trusts the vipers in office.


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Like the FLDS, they should be audited ad infinitum by the IRS and investigated by every every federal and state government agency - with any minor infraction used to seize their assets and property.

Surely some NRA leader is carrying cash with cocaine residue on it. ( A high percentage of circulating cash has drug residue on it. ) Find it and use seizure laws to seize ALL of the the NRA  assets!

Without the NRA, common sense would prevail and guns would already be banned.


Of all the ignorant rants you've made Bass, this is probably the one that scares me the most.

Persecuting a particular group, because you disagree with their political views, is a very dangerous thing.

First they came for the NRA, but I wasn't a member of the NRA, so I didn't say anything.

Then they came for the hunters, but I don't hunt, so I didn't say anything.

.......

Sound familiar?

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

Bass is kind of hard one to figure out. I used to think he was just engaging in satire but
then other posts from him made me think otherwise. If what he said in post 6(as much as I
dislike the NRA obviously what he said would be absurdly over the line) would have been
said by any other person I would have thought it was obviously satire/trolling but not for
sure with Bass

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If either party were actually really concerned there would be a clean bill (no amendments) addressing deficiencies in the background check process. Like allowing individuals to run background checks at their discretion when selling a gun.

If either party were serious there would be a clean bill (no amendments) establishing a stolen gun registry that could be accessed by the public so the lawful could always determine whether a gun is legitimate or not.

If we were looking at solving problems that would be a way to start. Not these monstrosity bills filled with who knows what; with the only real info provided to the public being propaganda provided by various media outlets who frame their messages in order to provide meat to their target audience (confirmation bias).


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"Al Qaeda is pleased. Criminals are pleased. Once again, the Republican party has served their wealthy masters. Democracy has been defeated."

Ha-ha...!!!  Please lay off the Jim Beam at breakfast, Eco...!!!  Al Qaeda, really...

I'm glad to see it was defeated.  Unfortunately, the local state senators where I live are coming up with some BS.

It is funny seeing "Barry" so indignant...!!!   He's like a little child that did not get his way---so theatrical---he's lucky he won a second term.  Time to move on, "Barry"---it'll be interesting to see if this hurts the Dem senators from the Rocky Mtn region that voted yea...

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I don't take Bass too seriously, I think that he just stirs the pot. Often making good points from an extreme argument.

Ron has a touch of paranoia, always suspicious of hidden details, not such a bad quality, in fact a strong argument for simplicity in legal language in transparency in government. That is one of my disappointments with the Obama administration.

The executive branch is about leadership. Many have complained that Obama was too much of a professor and now when he takes initiative, they complain that he has an agenda. The means of lethal violence is a current crisis in this country. A historical perspective is important, but the priorities of 1776 are not the same that the nation faces today. Critical thinking and situational awareness are what is needed now, and not at all obvious in some of the posts on this forum.


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It boggles the mind to see anyone expressing glee that more innocent lives will be lost due to loopholes in background checks, or how they think voting for a common sense measure supported by the vast majority of citizens (including gun owners) will hurt a senator's re-election prospects.

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Jeeze DW, common sense measures?

Demand clean bills from Durban and Kirk instead of inside baseball BS politics.

There is nothing common sense about bills that try and do 500 things.


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It boggles the mind to see anyone expressing glee that more innocent lives will be lost due to loopholes in background checks, or how they think voting for a common sense measure supported by the vast majority of citizens (including gun owners) will hurt a senator's re-election prospects.

Jeeze DW, common sense measures?

Demand clean bills from Durban and Kirk instead of inside baseball BS politics.

There is nothing common sense about bills that try and do 500 things.

Do you think for one minute that the folks who opposed this effort would support a bill that met what your standard might be for a "clean" bill?

Don't fool yourself. They'll find a way to rationalize their opposition to ANY gun control legislation, period.


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(gunslinger @ Apr. 17 2013, 10:21 pm)
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God bless the NRA.

I really don't think He will.

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(Lamebeaver @ Apr. 18 2013, 10:03 am)
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Persecuting a particular group, because you disagree with their political views, is a very dangerous thing.

First they came for the NRA, but I wasn't a member of the NRA, so I didn't say anything.

Then they came for the hunters, but I don't hunt, so I didn't say anything.

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Sound familiar?

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

Much as I despise the NRA, High Sierra Fan makes an excellent point.  Zealots on either side of a debate are to be feared.

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