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Box of .22 ammo --> $10.00

'My First Rifle' .22 rifle --> $120.00

Living with the knowledge that your five year old son has shot and killed your two year old daughter because you were stupid. --> PRICELESS!


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Those first rifles are dangerous.  After you own a half-dozen or so it gets better.

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Box of .22 ammo --> $10.00

'My First Rifle' .22 rifle --> $120.00

Living with the knowledge that your five year old son has shot and killed your two year old daughter because you were stupid. --> PRICELESS!

Does your five year old son also drive your car?
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The problem is starting them off at five.
By then they already have picked up some bad habits.
Every child should have a gun by the time they turn three so that by five they will be comfortable with dad's automatic weapons.
End of problem.
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A lot of people are buying their first rifle... pistol... assault rifle now because they're afraid they will soon be unable to do so.

Barack Obama has done more to promote gun ownership than any other president in history.

So thank him for that dead two year old girl...
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There is some pro-gun logic for you, especially lame, even for the Lamebeaver.

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This is scary/creepy:

http://www.crickett.com/cricket....47c9s96

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A lot of people are buying their first rifle... pistol... assault rifle now because they're afraid they will soon be unable to do so.

Barack Obama has done more to promote gun ownership than any other president in history.

So thank him for that dead two year old girl...

You are so right!  What was Obama thinking, giving a 5 yr old a gun.    :O
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I keep my guns, prescription medicine, and household chemicals locked up so my grandchildren can't get to them.

Every day, 2 children die in the US from poisoning from household chemicals or prescriptions. Everyday, 300 are treated in emergency rooms for accidental poisoning.

Thankfully all those idiots who don't know how to keep children from accidentally ingesting prescription drugs or household chemicals don't own firearms as well.  But for those of us who aren't idiots, it is easy enough to secure such things.

We don't need to protect children from prescription drugs, household chemicals, and firearms.  But we do need to protect children from irresponsible adults.
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A five year old handling a firearm?   Unbelievable. Even through their grief the parents should probably be charged with something.

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Nothing wrong with a 5-year old handling a firearm under adult supervision - same as using a swimming pool or swinging a bat, or doing gymnastics, each of which has inherent dangers for children if not supervised.
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There's nothing wrong with that. I started at 4 (under supervision) but was hunting alone at 10.

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Box of .22 ammo --> $10.00

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Living with the knowledge that your five year old son has shot and killed your two year old daughter because you were stupid. --> PRICELESS!

Does your five year old son also drive your car?

Would you throw him the keys?
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There is some pro-gun logic for you, especially lame, even for the Lamebeaver.

You can't refute my statement, so you attack me.....

Somehow I thought you were better than that Eco

Guess the truth hurts.  A lot of people are running out to purchase their first firearm, thanks to Obama.

It's also why it's hard for ammo dealers to keep any in stock.  People are buying it like candy.
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What is the proximate cause? Is it Obama, or is it their own paranoia?

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"65.4 Million Gun Purchases Since Obama Took Office, 91% More Than Bush's First-Term Total"

"According to data compiled by the FBI, the number of Americans purchasing guns has skyrocketed since Obama was elected."

http://cnsnews.com/blog....st-term

"And he's far from alone. An analysis by The Associated Press of data tracking the health of the gun industry shows that President Barack Obama has presided over a heyday for guns."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/obama-guns_n_1985826.html


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Really, LB? You expect praise for your failure at logic? Twisting the good intentions of sensible gun-control proponents does not make your statement true. It does suggest that you are a willing participant in passing along the misinformation.

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A lot of people are buying their first rifle... pistol... assault rifle now because they're afraid they will soon be unable to do so.

Barack Obama has done more to promote gun ownership than any other president in history.


No, The NRA and their surrogates in the media have convinced you and other people like you,who are easily
manipulated by propaganda, to think Obama "has done more to promote gun ownership than any other president
in history."

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So thank him for that dead two year old girl...


What a mind boggling irresponsible and stupid statement

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Guess the truth hurts.  A lot of people are running out to purchase their first firearm, thanks to Obama.


these people are idiots.  They have been brainwashed by the NRA and other right-wing outlets to think
Obama is coming to get their guns so not thanks to Obama. Thanks to NRA propaganda + NRA friendly
media(which is usually right-wing) + stupid people.


Oh and BTW lame, there are fewer and fewer people owning guns(its that those owning guns are buying
a lot more of them)


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In all seriousness now, giving a 5 year old a gun is nuts.

That said, learning to handle and respect firearms is not a bad thing.  My Grandfather hunted after school to put meat on the table.  My Dad knew his way around guns, being a WWII veteran.  Being raised in suburban NJ though, I didn't know much about firearms.  I was up at our family lake cabin with my brother and my friend Fred when I was about 17, and we discovered a .22 and a box of rounds stashed in the attic (which belonged to my Uncle John I later discovered).  We loaded it and hopped out the screen door to head up the mountain for some adventure.  

At the moment I hopped out the door, the gun went off because I had my finger on the trigger.  The round missed my brother by about a foot, since he had gone out the door just before me.  In youthfull bravado, we blew it off, but that moment seared in my mind.  I could have killed my younger brother.

I have an extreme respect for firearms now, and I own a few.  In retrospect, it would have been a good thing if I had been properly trained and cautioned on their use as a youth.  Five years old is still nuts though.


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A lot of people are buying their first rifle... pistol... assault rifle now because they're afraid they will soon be unable to do so.

Barack Obama has done more to promote gun ownership than any other president in history.

So thank him for that dead two year old girl...

Did you intend that as parody, or were you being serious?

Assuming the latter, you really should take a step back and try to see just how far off the deep end you went there.

The background check President Obama has been supporting is neither extereme nor confiscatory. It has very broad support, and in fact more background checks were supported by the NRA as recently as 1999.

The hysteria among gun "enthusiasts" is not the result of the president's advocacy for improved background checks; it's the fearmongering and lies by the gun lobby and the politicians they sponsor, taking advantage of easily manipulated fools.

And who besides a fool would give a gun to a two year old girl? If anything this is a strong argument for a requirement to pass a test to obtain a license so that a fool would at least be made aware of necessary precautions, but the legislation recently voted down did not even go that far.

A moderate measure to make it more difficult for felons and mental patients and terrorists to legally purchase guns has just been shot down by the gun lobby, and they have some people bamboozled enough to blame the safety advocates when an innocent child is killed by a gun purchased by a fool they bamboozled.

Lamebeaver, you need to get a clue.


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What is the proximate cause? Is it Obama, or is it their own paranoia?

If it were simple paranoia, they'd be buying regardless of who was in office. The fact that sales are at astronomic levels is directly attributable to Obama.


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If it were simple paranoia, they'd be buying regardless of who was in office. The fact that sales are at
astronomic levels is directly attributable to Obama.


Couple of points.

Point #1
The thing about paranoia is that paranoia usually can't be sustained in high levels in large segments
of the population year after year(or at least decade after decade) because at that point it gets easily
outed as Paranoia. So the point there is your assumption that if it was paranoia we would see this kind
of behavior in other administrations doesn't hold.

What exploiters of stupid/paranoid need is someone that can easily fit into a narrative. Preferably
a narrative that can be easily combined with other false narratives that already have been successfully
implanted in a large segment of the population such as the idiotic narrative that Obama is this
socialist/marxist far leftist blah blah. For that segment of the population it wouldn't be any
stretch at all to add to this that Obama wants to take away all or most your guns, repeal the 2nd
amendment or some other paranoid delusion.


point #2. if by "directly attributable to Obama" you mean Obama has proposed specific legislation that
has given justification for various paranoid behavior from people feeling they need to purchase more
and more guns because they think Obama is going to take away their guns rather than the NRA exploiting
the stupidity/ignorance/paranoia of people and what they are inclined to believe about Obama, regardless
if it has any basis in reality, then show

A) specific legislation Obama has proposed

b) that the legislation had a good chance of passing congress

C) a direct logical line from the fear/paranoia from these various misfit loons to the specific legislation
Obama has proposed that would logically justify their views about Obama


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a) He hasn't
b) It can't
c) There isn't any


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A five year old handling a firearm?   Unbelievable. Even through their grief the parents should probably be charged with something.

There's nothing wrong with that. I started at 4 (under supervision) but was hunting alone at 10.

Well, that might have been okay back in the days before indoor plumbing and sliced bread but nowadays letting a five year old handle a 'tool' that he cannot understand is beyond belief.

And dont forget that using the old excuse of 'well, I did it as a kid' does not make it right.


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What is the proximate cause? Is it Obama, or is it their own paranoia?

If it were simple paranoia, they'd be buying regardless of who was in office. The fact that sales are at astronomic levels is directly attributable to Obama.

No, they are paranoid because they believe everything the NRA tell them without them doing their own research about what is really going on.

And that is what the gun industry....err....sorry.....the NRA wants their pets to believe.

Make em scared, tell em who to be scared of, and they will run to the gun shops with fear in their eyes everytime.


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If it were simple paranoia, they'd be buying regardless of who was in office. The fact that sales are at
astronomic levels is directly attributable to Obama.


Couple of points.

Point #1
The thing about paranoia is that paranoia usually can't be sustained in high levels in large segments
of the population year after year(or at least decade after decade) because at that point it gets easily
outed as Paranoia. So the point there is your assumption that if it was paranoia we would see this kind
of behavior in other administrations doesn't hold.

What exploiters of stupid/paranoid need is someone that can easily fit into a narrative. Preferably
a narrative that can be easily combined with other false narratives that already have been successfully
implanted in a large segment of the population such as the idiotic narrative that Obama is this
socialist/marxist far leftist blah blah. For that segment of the population it wouldn't be any
stretch at all to add to this that Obama wants to take away all or most your guns, repeal the 2nd
amendment or some other paranoid delusion.


point #2. if by "directly attributable to Obama" you mean Obama has proposed specific legislation that
has given justification for various paranoid behavior from people feeling they need to purchase more
and more guns because they think Obama is going to take away their guns rather than the NRA exploiting
the stupidity/ignorance/paranoia of people and what they are inclined to believe about Obama, regardless
if it has any basis in reality, then show

A) specific legislation Obama has proposed

b) that the legislation had a good chance of passing congress

C) a direct logical line from the fear/paranoia from these various misfit loons to the specific legislation
Obama has proposed that would logically justify their views about Obama

+1

Excellent post, Dennis. You nailed it and you nailed MLW & LB.


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Clearly, guns are more important to some people, than ANYTHING else.

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"If it were simple paranoia, they'd be buying regardless of who was in office. The fact that sales are at astronomic levels is directly attributable to Obama. "

Yep, you are right!  If you need convincing proof of the racism behind the right wing hatred for Obama, this is certainly it.

They do not like you, Barack Obama, not one bit!

Your skin color is wrong, you are way too smart for a nigra, and you can speak English in full sentences with logic and nuance, unlike Gdumbya who was our favorite redneck Precednte.


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