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http://www.therepublic.com/view....Deficit

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I really don't want to prejudge the results - the numbers are never final immediately after a month has passed, and we do have "the sequester" in effect right now - but you'd think the GOP would have egg literally all over their faces at this point, but they won't say squat about the good news. I'm sure, at least, of that.
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Embrace the sequester!

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Kind of like how the Democrats have egg on their face for wasting so much time and money over the whole gun debate...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews....rrative

Dems and Reps... not good for America anymore. Or were they ever??


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Embrace the sequester!

If you think

A) lowering the deficit now is a higher priority than improving the economy now

B) if you like blind deficit reduction rather than smarter deficit reduction


B) You especially don't have fast recovery after massive recessions combined with political
situation in which one party has been doing its best to slow the recovery process with


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Kind of like how the Democrats have egg on their face for wasting so much time and money over the whole gun debate...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews....rrative


HUH? You think that "so much" money was wasted that it would have any impact on the deficit?

your john birch society link(the newmaerican is their website or at least one of them) doesn't
mention anything about how the gun control debate has anything to do with the issue of
the deficit.

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Dems and Reps... not good for America anymore. Or were they ever??


And which party would be good for America? Given you're using the ultra far right John Birch
Society website thenewmaerican it seems you might be looking for something even more to the
right than today's republican party which would be something else


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When the President was first elected Mitch McConnel in no un certain terms said the Republican priority for the next four years would be to prevent the President from getting re-elected.

Republicans have held this economy hostage for some time. First they cut taxes but not spending and then when a sizeable stimulus was needed demanded austerity.

Despite the obstructionism the economy is rebounding, however slowly. Democrats need a Ross Perot with charts to demonstrate to the ignorant what the Grand Old Partypoopers have tried to do and what that has REALLY cost our country.

Scott, I have to agree your analogy is flawed to put it very kindly. With all due respect it would be nice to see one of the folks herre that fancies themself to be "conservative" respond with substance. The fact good news for the country is bad news for them is truly sad.


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When the President was first elected Mitch McConnel in no un certain terms said the Republican priority for the next four years would be to prevent the President from getting re-elected.

and don't forget the ulimate smoking gun which as the infamous meeting of important Republican
leaders such as Paul Ryan, Frank Lunz and Newt Gingrich on the President's inauguration day
(also when this country was experiencing the most intense part of the worst recession since
the depression) outlining their plans to oppose Obama on all fronts

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012....99.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAjERIf5Xjs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd0fVf5CsCc


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I had no idea that the French for "surplus" was "surpluse".

I thought it was just "surplus". (Well, that would make sense, wouldn't it - since the word "surplus" comes to us from Latin through French, so it was we who borrowed the word from them...but I diverge - yet again.)
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nice catch Gabby

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Kind of like how the Democrats have egg on their face for wasting so much time and money over the whole gun debate...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews....rrative

Dems and Reps... not good for America anymore. Or were they ever??

...and 37 attempts to repeal ACA, with no hope of passing, were good uses of Congress' time, or taxpayer money.

Reading ultra right ideology sure distorts the way you see things.


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Let me apologize for the inane comment, Dennis. I was actually just bumping the thread.

Note, if you will, the unusual ability of the guys on the right to either 1) ignore good news that goes against the incessant propaganda coming out of their side of the media, or to 2) make indifferent, dismissive remarks that have no substance.

Yeah, they don't think much over there, do they?

OTOH, those "over here" don't have good skills in the "street marketing" department. If I was a "media guy" on the left right now, I'd be pushing this story big time. Of course, there is the matter of not having ready cash sources equivalent to the right's. Getting the story out, even when it's completely falsified, is a hell of a lot easier when you have cash spigots like the Kochs (and a ton of others without the same "name recognition") - the doofus crew, here and elsewhere, just follow their leashes...
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Bump.
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And which party would be good for America?

I'm Libertarian.

Libertarians would be good for America now.


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Congress is very Libertarian at the moment: accomplishing nothing and to judge by their single digit job approval most Americans don't see that as "good".
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Libertarians are good for egocentric, selfish, rich Americans who are consumed with hubris.

For everyone else, they would be a disaster.


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And which party would be good for America?

I'm Libertarian.

Libertarians would be good for America now.

Libertarians would be bad. Libertarians would gut the safety net even though we just go out
of the worst recession since the depression. Libertarians would advocate for even less regulations
even though lack of regulation and deregulation was one of the major causes of the financial
crisis and larger recession.  All the oil spills that have been result of lack of regulation
well libertarians not only wouldn't do anything about improving or adding regulations needed
to curb such oil spills but they would try and dismantle as many of those regulations as
possible.  If Libertarians had their way there would be no social security, medicare,
etc... If Libertarians had their way their way they would do their best to privatize as much
of the public school system as possible if not eliminate the public system in its entirety
which would mean that the quality the education a person would receive would be dependent on
how wealthy their family(this is always true to some extent but libertarians would put this
into overdrive) and result massive wealth dynasties and oligarchs(again this is always to
true in almost any society except the most socialistic but again what Libertarians would
advocate would really out this into overdrive).

If you think wealth disparity(and of course political disparity flows from wealth disparity
and influence/power disparity flows from political disparity) is bad now just think what
would happen if Libertarians had their way?  I wonder how many people call themselves
Libertarians really think about this or do this just get swayed by the slogans("freedom"
this "Freedom" that)?


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They read Ayn Rand, and believe it!

Some even name their kids after Rand, can you believe it??


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A purely Libertarian society is only slightly more sustainable than anarchy. One must hold social justice as a very low priority, to think that exploitation does not require regulation or oversight. We had that on the Western frontier. Range wars, fights for water, genocide of the native peoples, and biocide of whole species were the result. Somalia is rocking that idea today. If everyone has to be armed to make society function at all, than that society has failed.

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Libertarianism is every bit the pie-in-the-sky deluded fantasy that marxism is at the other end of the spectrum.

Appealing to some in theory, but not workable in the real world.


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A purely Libertarian society is only slightly more sustainable than anarchy. One must hold social justice as a very low priority, to think that exploitation does not require regulation or oversight. We had that on the Western frontier. Range wars, fights for water, genocide of the native peoples, and biocide of whole species were the result. Somalia is rocking that idea today. If everyone has to be armed to make society function at all, than that society has failed.

I saw this just after it was posted this afternoon, but moved on to antagonizing others (the poor huddled masses of the right) before getting back. :)

Sometimes I think that statements with this much clarity and sanity are the very essence of what keeps me coming back to the TPA. God knows, there's a lot of other stuff that should keep anyone away forever.

This one, however: Wow. This is a jewel. I've printed it and put it up on the wall over the my desk. I plan to memorize as much of it as I can. The wife plans to take a printed copy to work. (The only negative comment I got was that she wants me to correct the "than" in the last sentence to "then".)

Libertarians are such pompous, misguided people, we need everything we can get to fight the stupidity.
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I don't always proofread my writing, but when I do, I drink Dos Equis.  :D

Thanks for fixing it.


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